The Case for Eternal Security

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St. SteVen

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I don't know that it's about hating God. There are people out there who hate themself. They would be happy to be condemned because they feel they deserve it.
Agree.
I think the person that shakes a fist at God is daring Him to show Himself.
If He actually did, that would have a dramatic change in the situation.

Like a father finding his runaway child huddled in the corner of an alley, cold and hungry.

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It's not a secular graph. - LOL

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Its nonsense.
So, just go with that...

See, there is no such thing as a accurate "census" regarding the number of unbelievers in Japan, or India, or in Texas or in Netanya Israel, where i have my home.

Sometimes you might consider thinking about what you are posting.....but on the other hand you are the "ace" who posted a Thread asking if the word of God, floats like soap.

So, this type of behavior.......explains and reveals a lot abour your personal character..... @St. SteVen
 

St. SteVen

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Sometimes you might consider thinking about what you are posting.....but on the other hand you are the "ace" who posted a Thread asking if the word of God, floats like soap.
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Ivory Soap is rated as 99.44% pure.
The Bible is rated as 99.5% pure.
Therefore, the Bible is MORE pure than Ivory soap.
But, does it float? - LOL

How Accurate is the Bible? | Bible.org

The New Testament can be regarded as 99.5 percent pure, and the correct readings for the remaining 0.5 percent can often be ascertained with a fair degree of probability by the practice of textual criticism. C. The Time Span of Manuscripts ... The Bible places great stress on accurate historical details, and... (continued at source)

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BarneyFife

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St. SteVen said:
Anyone who claims to hate God haven't met Him yet.

I was referring to humans that have not yet met God.
As far as I know, Lucifer has not yet been offered forgiveness.
But I think that will happen at the end of the age of restoration. IMHO
The ultimate triumph of grace. --- So, not a moot point.

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I guess I wasn't very clear.

The Lucifer remark was in direct response to your claim that those who hate God haven't met Him. And I can't honestly say I'm convinced of your distinction, which you seem to admit is only an opinion.

The "moot point" comment was only in reference to the OP. I suppose I'm looking at this through some kind of lenses, but it doesn't make sense to me to invoke eternal security within a soteriology that suggests no one is lost anyway, and folks are, in effect, "saved" because God willed it long before, so to speak, they were even born.

I really want to give UR a fair hearing in my own mind, but I keep running into walls that I don't know how to get around/over.

Before, when we've discussed this, you've basically just told me I have to rely on faith that seems blind to me.

The hardest part for me is that if your view of the reliability of Scripture is such as you exhibit, how can you be so sure that the portions you rely on to support UR are reliable?

In the end, it looks like you're just another one of us religious slobs who don't agree with each other. But, then, maybe that's precisely your point?

Just being honest.

Admittedly, as much as I have enjoyed our fellowship, your tendency toward religious deconstructionism (for lack of a better term) is completely foreign to my cognitive abilities.

In other words, I love you but you drive me nuts. :p

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As do your responses. - LOL

Boy, you can say that again.

I wonder what these folks would be doing if they didn't have some character to assassinate somewhere.

How exhausting.

I guess it's served its purpose. I think it definitely informs my decision about whether to participate. I put these folks on -Ignore- often enough but sooner or later something compels me to take them off again. And then I quickly find myself wondering why. o_O

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