St. SteVen said:
Anyone who claims to hate God haven't met Him yet.
I was referring to humans that have not yet met God.
As far as I know, Lucifer has not yet been offered forgiveness.
But I think that will happen at the end of the age of restoration. IMHO
The ultimate triumph of grace. --- So, not a moot point.
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I guess I wasn't very clear.
The Lucifer remark was in direct response to your claim that those who hate God haven't met Him. And I can't honestly say I'm convinced of your distinction, which you seem to admit is only an opinion.
The "moot point" comment was only in reference to the OP. I suppose I'm looking at this through some kind of lenses, but it doesn't make sense to me to invoke eternal security within a soteriology that suggests no one is lost anyway, and folks are, in effect, "saved" because God willed it long before, so to speak, they were even born.
I really want to give UR a fair hearing in my own mind, but I keep running into walls that I don't know how to get around/over.
Before, when we've discussed this, you've basically just told me I have to rely on faith that seems blind to me.
The hardest part for me is that if your view of the reliability of Scripture is such as you exhibit, how can you be so sure that the portions you rely on to support UR are reliable?
In the end, it looks like you're just another one of us religious slobs who don't agree with each other. But, then, maybe that's precisely your point?
Just being honest.
Admittedly, as much as I have enjoyed our fellowship, your tendency toward religious deconstructionism (for lack of a better term) is completely foreign to my cognitive abilities.
In other words, I love you but you drive me nuts.
