The Rapture and the Tribulation - Short

[Zao is life]

Depending on the context, the word tribulation (thlipsis) can have a variety of meanings.

It's good that you mentioned that because in the New Testament, according to the context of the passage and verse, it refers to the tribulation of Christians in all these verses:-

Matthew 13:21 (Parallel: Mark 4:17); Matthew 24:9 & 29 (Parallel Mark 13:24); John 16:33; Acts 11:19; Acts 14:22; Acts 20:23; Romans 5:3; Romans 8:35; Romans 12:12; 2 Corinthians 1:4, 6 & 8; 2 Corinthians 2:4; 2 Corinthians 4:8; 2 Corinthians 4:17; 2 Corinthians 6:4; 2 Corinthians 7:4-5; 2 Corinthians 8:2; Ephesians 3:13; Philippians 1:16; Philippians 4:14; Colossians 1:24; 1 Thessalonians 1:6; 1 Thessalonians 3:3-4 & 7; 2 Thessalonians 1:4, 6-7; 2 Timothy 1:8; 2 Timothy 3:11; 2 Timothy 4:5; Hebrews 10:32-33; 1 Peter 5:9; Revelation 1:9; Revelation 2:9-10, 22; Revelation 7:14.

GREAT TRIBULATION [mégas thlîpsis] is mentioned only three times in the New Testament:-

Third mention: "After these things I looked, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of all nations and kindreds and people and tongues, stood before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palms in their hands. And they cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God sitting on the throne, and to the Lamb.
And one of the elders answered, saying to me, Who are these who are arrayed in white robes, and from where do they come? And I said to him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are the ones who came out of great tribulation [mégas thlîpsis] and have washed their robes, and have whitened them in the blood of the Lamb. -- Revelation 7:9-10, 13-14.

Second mention: "Behold, I will cast her (Jezebel) into a bed, and them (those Christians) that commit adultery with her into mégas thlîpsis (great tribulation), except they repent of their deeds." -- Revelation 2:21

First mention: "For then shall be great tribulation [megas thlipsis], such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened." -- Matthew 24:21-22

There are only two verses in the New Testament referring to tribulation experienced by non-Christians:-

1. Of all who do evil: Romans 2:9.
2. Of the world as repayment for bringing tribulation upon the saints: 2 Thessalonians 1:6.

* The Revelation uses the words orge and thumos (wrath) to describe what is to come upon the nations at the hand of an angry God (not the word tribulation). KUWN uses the word tribulation.

* Luke 21:23 uses the word wrath [orgḗ] to describe what was to come upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem (not the word tribulation) KUWN and others - including many Amillennialists - use the word tribulation:

"But woe to those who are with child, and to those suckling in those days! For there shall be great distress [anánkē] in the land and wrath [orgḗ] on this people."

Only a strange kind of logic can insist there will be a pre-tribulation rapture of the church when the tribulation refers to what is going to come upon the church at the hand of the beast. Yet many follow this "logic".​

 

[Zao is life]

Second, it can refer to the seven years of Daniel’s Seventieth Week (Jeremiah 30:7-9; Daniel 9:24-27; 12:1). Lastly, it can refer to the second half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week, the great tribulation (Matthew 24:21) as opposed to the first half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week, the beginning of sorrows (24:8).

-- Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks. And AFTER (the) threescore and two weeks (plus the first seven weeks) shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself. And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. --

-- Behold, the days come, saith Yhwh, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah -- Jeremiah 31:31

-- For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah -- Hebrews 8:8

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week" means that during one of the seventy weeks He will confirm the (new) covenant with many, but -- in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. --

-- And in the same way he took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood. -- Luke 22:20

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. --

But He was cut off in the midst of the week. Time did not stand still though. Time continued to march on, and it has been marching on for nearly 2,000 years since He was cut off in the 70th week.

But 42 prophetic months will be fulfilled before He returns.​

 

[KUWN]

Matthew 13:21 (Parallel: Mark 4:17); Matthew 24:9 & 29 (Parallel Mark 13:24); John 16:33; Acts 11:19; Acts 14:22; Acts 20:23; Romans 5:3; Romans 8:35; Romans 12:12; 2 Corinthians 1:4, 6 & 8; 2 Corinthians 2:4; 2 Corinthians 4:8; 2 Corinthians 4:17; 2 Corinthians 6:4; 2 Corinthians 7:4-5; 2 Corinthians 8:2; Ephesians 3:13; Philippians 1:16; Philippians 4:14; Colossians 1:24; 1 Thessalonians 1:6; 1 Thessalonians 3:3-4 & 7; 2 Thessalonians 1:4, 6-7; 2 Timothy 1:8; 2 Timothy 3:11; 2 Timothy 4:5; Hebrews 10:32-33; 1 Peter 5:9; Revelation 1:9; Revelation 2:9-10, 22; Revelation 7:14.

What you need to do is to separate tribulation FROM THE Tribulation. This is the most common mistake bible students make. I have stated out here several times that I am a Dispensationalist, we never confuse Israel and the Church. These are two radically different groups and time periods. There are still 7 years left in the Jewish Dispensation (per Daniel 9). You should know that being a Dispensationist means i take the Bible literally as a rule, but still allowing an occasional symbolism. If a text can be translated literally, then we do not default to symbolism.

Could you clarify what this citing of scriptures was suppose to show?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Some brief information on the Rapture and the Tribulation from a dispensational perspective

The Nature of the Tribulation. Depending on the context, the word tribulation (thlipsis) can have a variety of meanings. First, it can refer to “tribulation” or “trouble” generally (John 16:33; Acts 14:22; Romans 5:3; 12:12). Second, it can refer to the seven years of Daniel’s Seventieth Week (Jeremiah 30:7-9; Daniel 9:24-27; 12:1). Lastly, it can refer to the second half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week, the great tribulation (Matthew 24:21) as opposed to the first half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week, the beginning of sorrows (24:8).

The period of the tribulation does not relate to God’s purpose for the church. The tribulation will come upon a world that is rebellious toward God (Revelation 15:1; 16:1-21; 19:15). It will reveal the nature of Satan (12:7-12). During the tribulation, the nation of Israel will be brought to repentance and faith in the Messiah in preparation for the millennium (Jeremiah 30:7-9; Zechariah 12:9-14:5; Revelation 19:1-6). The tribulation will also be a time of mass evangelism (Matthew 24:14; Revelation 6:9-11; 7:1-17; 11:2-14; 12:13-17; 13:7; 14:1-5, 12-13).

The Prophetic Timeclock. The next prophetic event on God’s timeclock is the rapture of the church. The doctrine of the rapture is taught most clearly in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. At the rapture, living Christians will be harpazo (“caught up” or “to raptured”) in the air to meet Jesus Christ. The raptured saints will be reunited with those who previously died in Christ

(1 Corinthians 15:51-54). Both will receive their glorified bodies and will be taken to the Father’s house (John 14:1-3). At the rapture, Jesus will come in the clouds for His saints; at the second coming, Jesus will come to the earth with His saints to establish the millennial kingdom.

[Just a note, no English word appears in the Greek Bible. That is a childish statement since the Greek Bible is written in Greek and the English is in another language. To most people’s surprise, ‘rapture’ appears multiple times in the Greek NT.]

It is logical that the rapture was not revealed in the Old Testament since the rapture involves the church. The church was a mystery in the Old Testament which began on the Day of Pentecost.

Christ first gave the promise of the rapture in the New Testament. However, the Old Testament promised the coming of Messiah to earth as the King. Remember, I noted that this is from a dispensational, literal interpretation method. If we are to take them NT in a literal way, then we can say with certainty that the above observation is correct.

We could use a chart to show us the outline of the various time periods as:

Prophetic Emphasis in the Bible

Old Testament Millennial Reign

Gospels Second Coming

Epistles Rapture

Revelation Tribulation


The reason for the emphasis upon the second coming in the Gospels is due to the fact that

Christ is speaking to His disciples as representatives of the Jewish nation. Their expectation would have been upon the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies of Messiah reigning upon David’s throne in Jerusalem. Therefore, it is logical to expect that the emphasis in the Gospels would be upon the coming of Christ to the nation of Israel in order to fulfill the covenantal promises and establish His kingdom on earth. Furthermore, since the Olivet Discourse is found in the Gospels then it would be logical that passages such as Matthew 24:37-44, Mark 13:32-37, and Luke 17:26-37 are not referring to the rapture; rather, they are dealing with the second coming of Christ.

Matthew’s primary purpose for writing is to prove that Jesus is the prophesied Messiah. However, this point alone is not the only purpose of the book. Matthew also writes to inform his readers of God’s kingdom program. Matthew will answer the question as to why Jesus the Messiah did not bring in the prophesied kingdom of God at His first coming. It will be clear that Israel’s rejection of their Messiah postponed the kingdom, but this does not mean the promises to national Israel are canceled.

Certainly, Matthew 23:36 does indicate the imminence of judgment upon the nations as well as the religious leaders for all their violence against the prophets. As a result, the generation will be rejected in regards to the King establishing His kingdom among them (23:37-39). However, this rejection is not permanent as the “until” in Matthew 23:39. Christ will establish the prophesied kingdom when the nation repents. In fact, one of the purposes of the tribulation is to bring Israel into a state of repentance whereby they recognize that Jesus is Messiah. It is at the end of the tribulation period, that all living Jews will acknowledge Jesus as Messiah and Romans 11:25-27 will be fulfilled when “all Israel shall be saved.”

Regarding the famous “this generation” statement:

Our Lord was not mistaken though. This generation is not a reference to the first century, but is referring to that generation living when all the signs of Matthew 24 will take place.

The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple did not signify the end (Matthew 24:6). Jesus warns the disciples about being deceived concerning false messiahs, wars, and other events. In the verses following, Jesus provides a description of what the period will be like before His coming.

You're the first pre-trib I've seen who claims that the passages about one taken and one left are not related to the rapture. Yet, they clearly are related to it. And, you try to turn "this generation" into "that generation". This is a clear attempt to make scripture say what you want it to say.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Rev 3.10 explicitly says it will be pre-trib.

Revelation 3:10 says no such thing. Not even close.

Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

For Jesus to keep someone from the hour of trial does not mean He has to take them off of the earth. The words "keep...from" there are translated from the words "tereo" (keep) and "ek" (from). Here is the only other verse where those words are used together like that...

John 17:15 I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.

In this verse, Jesus prays that His followers would not be taken out of the world, but that they would be protected while in the world. Why would He then contradict Himself in Revelation 3:10 by talking about taking His people out of the world to avoid trouble instead of protecting them from it while they are in the world?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why would anyone be saying "peace and safety" if they were in tribulation ?

The change from saying peace and safety to sudden destruction comes like a thief in the night - i.e. totally unexpected.

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1Thessalonians5:
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Because it has nothing to do with world peace and safety, but rather with people who are in spiritual darkness thinking that they are spiritually at peace and safe from God's wrath. When Jesus comes He will bring sudden destruction upon them which will prove that their supposed spiritual peace and safety was only in their imaginations.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Which then leads to something totally illogical, that the DOTL is now involving great tribulation per this proposed scenario. Except Matthew 24:29 places the DOTL after great tribulation. Not to mention, as if it makes sense to apply 2 Peter 3:10-12 at the beginning of great tribulation rather than after it.

Look at the following. Leave any doctrinal bias' out of it for a moment. How does it make sense that the DOTL comes 2 different times like a thief in the night rather than just one time?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Of course though, what is the point in anyone bothering to dispute something since most members in here place their doctrinal bias' above logic? How can one think they can possibly get through to a mindset like that? Where that mindset places their doctrinal bias' above that of simple logic? That logic says, when 2 Peter 3:10-12 is meaning, is when 1 Thessalonians 5:2 is meaning. And that 2 Peter 3:10-12 can't be meaning at the beginning of great tribulation. Therefore, nothing, as in zero, recorded in 1 Thessalonians 5 can be meaning at the beginning of nor during great tribulation, either.

Agree. It should be clear that 1 Thess 5:2-3 is the same event as 2 Peter 3:10-12 and that each describe what will happen on the day Jesus comes again, not before He comes again. So, they cannot be describing the tribulation that occurs before He comes since He comes after the tribulation (Matt 24:29-31). So, anyone trying to include 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 as part of the tribulation that occurs before He comes is only doing so because of doctrinal bias. Jesus will not come after a time of sudden destruction that comes upon the entire earth, He will bring sudden destruction upon the earth when He comes.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here's something to factor in, in regards to peace and safety being proclaimed, then the DOTL coming upon them suddenly.

Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.


No matter how you want to look at it, all of the above contradicts a time of peace and safety. And that Jesus said when these things are happening, all these are the beginning of sorrows, and that the end is not yet. What should this be telling any thinking person not driven by doctrinal bias'? It should be telling them that the end comes when they are saying peace and saftety. Obviously, the end meant here is not meaning the beginning of great tribulation, it is meaning post that of great tribulation.

This also tells us the battle depicted in Revelation 19 is not involving war in the same sense Matthew 24:6-7 is involving war. Clearly, what's recorded in Revelation 19 is pertaining to the end. And that Jesus said in Matthew 24:6-8 that manmade wars are the beginning of sorrows, and the end is not yet. Therefore, since some literally take Revelation 19 to be involving WW3 taking place at the time, a manmade war, they couldn't possibly be correct since that contradicts what Jesus said in Matthew 24:6, that the end is not yet, that things like this, such as WW3, is the beginning of sorrows, not the end.

Pre-tribs always miss details like this. What Jesus said in Matthew 24:6-8 indicates that times when the world is not in a state of relative peace and safety because of things like wars, famines, pestilences and earthquakes are NOT an indication that the end is at hand yet, but pre-tribs try to say otherwise. Pre-tribs try to make those things signs that the end is at hand, thereby directly contradicting what Jesus said in Matthew 24:6-8, which is those things are NOT signs that the end is at hand yet.

 

[Zao is life]

Could you clarify what this citing of scriptures was suppose to show?

Are you asking what the scriptures I listed are "supposed to" show when they are ALL except two talking about THE tribulation (thlipsis), and THE (great) tribulation as the experience of Christians, and as something which will be shortened for the elect's sake in the Olivet Discourse?

Maybe you could clarify what your OP was supposed to show?

You ought to, because as the list of scriptures I posted themselves show (if you actually read them without inserting your own non-biblical re-interpretation of the meaning of the word "thlipsis" into them), your terminology that YOU (not the scriptures themselves) use is your own because it is not at all biblical, because scripture simply does not call the wrath of God to come upon the world "THE tribulation" (as your OP falsely asserts).

The word thlipsis only has one meaning in each and every one of the long list of verses I gave - and it's context is the tribulation as the experience of Christians, such as in the following verses, which shows your OP statement up to be completely false and based on using non-biblical terminology for the wrath of God that will come upon the world:

Depending on the context, the word tribulation (thlipsis) can have a variety of meanings. First, it can refer to “tribulation” or “trouble” generally (John 16:33; Acts 14:22; Romans 5:3; 12:12). Second, it can refer to the seven years of Daniel’s Seventieth Week (Jeremiah 30:7-9; Daniel 9:24-27; 12:1).

The word thlipsis is being used in reference to what the saints experience in the world in the very verses you quote, as well as in the entire list I posted with the exception of only two, which it is not necessary for me to list and quote again, since I've already done so.

Only those with reading comprehension difficulty would see the word thlipsis as referring to anyone else, other than Christians in all the other verses.

As I showed in my post, there (most certainly) is no such thing as a future "seven years of Daniel's seventieth week" mentioned in Daniel 9:24-27.

So could clarify what your OP was supposed to show? Or what you're actually asking in your above reply?

 

[Behold]

Don't imagine that there will be no hardships in the future. Always be ready to embrace it.

There are hardships for the Christian now, you dont have to wait for the future.

 

[Zao is life]

Rev 3.10 explicitly says it will be pre-trib.

Revelation 3:10 says no such thing. Not even close.

Revelation 3:10 Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

For Jesus to keep someone from the hour of trial does not mean He has to take them off of the earth. The words "keep...from" there are translated from the words "tereo" (keep) and "ek" (from). Here is the only other verse where those words are used together like that...

Spirtual Israelite is correct, KUWN:

John 17
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept [G5083 tereo] thy word.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep [G5083 tereo] through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep [G5083 tereo] them from the evil.

Revelation 3
10 Because thou hast kept [G5083 tereo] the word of my patience, I also will keep [G5083 tereo] thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

G5083 tereo:
from teros (a watch; perhaps akin to 2334); to guard (from loss or injury, properly, by keeping the eye upon).

It's not talking about any pre-tribulation "rapture" of the saints.
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But you have "tribulation" completely conflated with God's wrath coming upon the world whenever you see the word thlipsis or tribulation in the New Testament, and applied to those to whom the scripture is not even applying it to, so it will be a very difficult (if not impossible) task getting the scales to fall from your eyes because your theology and eschatology have caused scales to grow there so you see even more dimly than the rest of us who see through a stained glass window dimly - though we don't insert the words "the wrath of God coming upon the world" into every N.T verse talking about tribulation.

 

[KUWN]

Spirtual Israelite is correct, KUWN:

John 17
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept [G5083 tereo] thy word.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep [G5083 tereo] through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep [G5083 tereo] them from the evil.

Revelation 3
10 Because thou hast kept [G5083 tereo] the word of my patience, I also will keep [G5083 tereo] thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

G5083 tereo:
from teros (a watch; perhaps akin to 2334); to guard (from loss or injury, properly, by keeping the eye upon).

It's not talking about any pre-tribulation "rapture" of the saints.
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But you have "tribulation" completely conflated with God's wrath coming upon the world whenever you see the word thlipsis or tribulation in the New Testament, and applied to those to whom the scripture is not even applying it to, so it will be a very difficult (if not impossible) task getting the scales to fall from your eyes because your theology and eschatology have caused scales to grow there so you see even more dimly than the rest of us who see through a stained glass window dimly - though we don't insert the words "the wrath of God coming upon the world" into every N.T verse talking about tribulation.

I have blocked Spiritual Israel some time ago. So I don't know what he said. Sorry

 

[Zao is life]

I have blocked Spiritual Israel some time ago. So I don't know what he said. Sorry

Well you've blocked something far worse than a person. You've blocked what scripture applies the word "tribulation" (thlipsis) to and replaced it with what you apply the word to. You've blocked the word AFTER from Daniel 9:26 and you've blocked what the covenant is referring to in verse 27 of the same passage and replaced it with what you have decided it refers to.

Etc etc

So blocking people is a minor thing to do in comparison.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have blocked Spiritual Israel some time ago. So I don't know what he said. Sorry

@Zao is life He may not be able to see what I said, but he could see what you said. Notice how he said nothing in response to what you said. That is because he knows deep down that Revelation 3:10 has nothing to do with a pre-trib rapture since that would mean Jesus contradicted what He said in John 17:15.

 

[Zao is life]

@Zao is life He may not be able to see what I said, but he could see what you said. Notice how he said nothing in response to what you said. That is because he knows deep down that Revelation 3:10 has nothing to do with a pre-trib rapture since that would mean Jesus contradicted what He said in John 17:15.

LOL. He'll probably just glibly ask me, "Could you clarify what this citing of scriptures was suppose to show?"

 

[GRACE ambassador]

I like how you broke down the difference between the rapture and the second coming. That chart idea you mentioned would definitely help visualize the timeline too

Amen. God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided Certainly helps eliminate confusion, eh?:

God's Great GRACE Departure! (Many Scriptural Differences...)

Amen.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Amen. God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided Certainly helps eliminate confusion, eh?:

God's Great GRACE Departure! (Many Scriptural Differences...)

Amen.


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Dispensationalism causes all kinds of confusion by trying to divide God's people when scripture clearly says that the blood of Christ brings all of God's people together as one.

Ephesians 2:11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)— 12 remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, 15 by setting aside in his flesh the law with its commands and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new humanity out of the two, thus making peace, 16 and in one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility.

Galatians 3:26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

[WitnessX]

Why would you back up 3.5 years? And what is it that might happen on the Feast of Tabernacles?

We will find out soon.

 

[Douggg]

Gog and Magog already happened, March 2003 In the approach to the new age, or at least its prophetic foreshadowing. I won’t box God in. Look up the scroll of Bush, his fathers skull and bones name magog.

No, Gog/Magog will be an unmistakable event, that Gog's army will be destroyed and the Jews will spend 7 months burying the dead of Gog's army, Ezekiel 39:12.

Ezekiel 39:12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.

 

[The Light]

No, the day of the Lord begins when the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act (Daniel 8:13) described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

The great tribulation is when the dragon goes after the seed of the woman Israel which keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. The seed of the woman is the twelve tribes across the earth. These believers will be hunted down and killed.

This has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the wrath of God. The wrath of God is when God punishes non believers. The wrath of God is one year until the day of the Lord. The day of the Lord is when Jesus returns with the armies of heaven and there will be sudden destruction.

Again, the great tribulation is NOT the wrath of God or the Day of the Lord.