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Some brief information on the Rapture and the Tribulation from a dispensational perspective

The Nature of the Tribulation. Depending on the context, the word tribulation (thlipsis) can have a variety of meanings. First, it can refer to “tribulation” or “trouble” generally (John 16:33; Acts 14:22; Romans 5:3; 12:12). Second, it can refer to the seven years of Daniel’s Seventieth Week (Jeremiah 30:7-9; Daniel 9:24-27; 12:1). Lastly, it can refer to the second half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week, the great tribulation (Matthew 24:21) as opposed to the first half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week, the beginning of sorrows (24:8).

The period of the tribulation does not relate to God’s purpose for the church. The tribulation will come upon a world that is rebellious toward God (Revelation 15:1; 16:1-21; 19:15). It will reveal the nature of Satan (12:7-12). During the tribulation, the nation of Israel will be brought to repentance and faith in the Messiah in preparation for the millennium (Jeremiah 30:7-9; Zechariah 12:9-14:5; Revelation 19:1-6). The tribulation will also be a time of mass evangelism (Matthew 24:14; Revelation 6:9-11; 7:1-17; 11:2-14; 12:13-17; 13:7; 14:1-5, 12-13).

The Prophetic Timeclock. The next prophetic event on God’s timeclock is the rapture of the church. The doctrine of the rapture is taught most clearly in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. At the rapture, living Christians will be harpazo (“caught up” or “to raptured”) in the air to meet Jesus Christ. The raptured saints will be reunited with those who previously died in Christ

(1 Corinthians 15:51-54). Both will receive their glorified bodies and will be taken to the Father’s house (John 14:1-3). At the rapture, Jesus will come in the clouds for His saints; at the second coming, Jesus will come to the earth with His saints to establish the millennial kingdom.

[Just a note, no English word appears in the Greek Bible. That is a childish statement since the Greek Bible is written in Greek and the English is in another language. To most people’s surprise, ‘rapture’ appears multiple times in the Greek NT.]

It is logical that the rapture was not revealed in the Old Testament since the rapture involves the church. The church was a mystery in the Old Testament which began on the Day of Pentecost.

Christ first gave the promise of the rapture in the New Testament. However, the Old Testament promised the coming of Messiah to earth as the King. Remember, I noted that this is from a dispensational, literal interpretation method. If we are to take them NT in a literal way, then we can say with certainty that the above observation is correct.

We could use a chart to show us the outline of the various time periods as:

Prophetic Emphasis in the Bible

Old Testament Millennial Reign

Gospels Second Coming

Epistles Rapture

Revelation Tribulation


The reason for the emphasis upon the second coming in the Gospels is due to the fact that

Christ is speaking to His disciples as representatives of the Jewish nation. Their expectation would have been upon the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies of Messiah reigning upon David’s throne in Jerusalem. Therefore, it is logical to expect that the emphasis in the Gospels would be upon the coming of Christ to the nation of Israel in order to fulfill the covenantal promises and establish His kingdom on earth. Furthermore, since the Olivet Discourse is found in the Gospels then it would be logical that passages such as Matthew 24:37-44, Mark 13:32-37, and Luke 17:26-37 are not referring to the rapture; rather, they are dealing with the second coming of Christ.

Matthew’s primary purpose for writing is to prove that Jesus is the prophesied Messiah. However, this point alone is not the only purpose of the book. Matthew also writes to inform his readers of God’s kingdom program. Matthew will answer the question as to why Jesus the Messiah did not bring in the prophesied kingdom of God at His first coming. It will be clear that Israel’s rejection of their Messiah postponed the kingdom, but this does not mean the promises to national Israel are canceled.

Certainly, Matthew 23:36 does indicate the imminence of judgment upon the nations as well as the religious leaders for all their violence against the prophets. As a result, the generation will be rejected in regards to the King establishing His kingdom among them (23:37-39). However, this rejection is not permanent as the “until” in Matthew 23:39. Christ will establish the prophesied kingdom when the nation repents. In fact, one of the purposes of the tribulation is to bring Israel into a state of repentance whereby they recognize that Jesus is Messiah. It is at the end of the tribulation period, that all living Jews will acknowledge Jesus as Messiah and Romans 11:25-27 will be fulfilled when “all Israel shall be saved.”

Regarding the famous “this generation” statement:

Our Lord was not mistaken though. This generation is not a reference to the first century, but is referring to that generation living when all the signs of Matthew 24 will take place.

The destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple did not signify the end (Matthew 24:6). Jesus warns the disciples about being deceived concerning false messiahs, wars, and other events. In the verses following, Jesus provides a description of what the period will be like before His coming.
 

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Some brief information on the Rapture and the Tribulation from a dispensational perspective

The Nature of the Tribulation. Depending on the context, the word tribulation (thlipsis) can have a variety of meanings. First, it can refer to “tribulation” or “trouble” generally (John 16:33; Acts 14:22; Romans 5:3; 12:12). Second, it can refer to the seven years of Daniel’s Seventieth Week (Jeremiah 30:7-9; Daniel 9:24-27; 12:1). Lastly, it can refer to the second half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week, the great tribulation (Matthew 24:21) as opposed to the first half of Daniel’s Seventieth Week, the beginning of sorrows (24:8).
The term "the Tribulation" is misleading. The 70th week is not all tribulation. For much of the first half of the 70th week, the world will be saying peace and safety.

The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 coincide with the 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 right after the Gog/Magog event. All of Israel's enemy nations will have their armies destroyed in the Gog/Magog event. So tribulation will not immediately follow - but instead a false messianic age initiated by the Antichrist - perceived Jewish messiah.

Since "the Tribulation" and "Tribulation Period" are both misleading terms, I recommend not using those terms. And instead use the term "the 70th week".
 

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The future is bound to be all suffering, for human mistakes cannot be completely corrected. Little by little, they accumulate and become suffering for everyone, whether they are believers or non-believers.

Don't imagine that there will be no hardships in the future. Always be ready to embrace it.
 

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The next prophetic event on God’s timeclock is the rapture of the church. The doctrine of the rapture is taught most clearly in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18. At the rapture, living Christians will be harpazo (“caught up” or “to raptured”) in the air to meet Jesus Christ. The raptured saints will be reunited with those who previously died in Christ

(1 Corinthians 15:51-54). Both will receive their glorified bodies and will be taken to the Father’s house (John 14:1-3). At the rapture, Jesus will come in the clouds for His saints; at the second coming, Jesus will come to the earth with His saints to establish the millennial kingdom.
No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture, it's the invention of John N. Darby 1830's and was promoted by C.I Scofields 1909 reference Bible with Darby's teachings in the margins

The modern headquarters of this false teaching better known as dispensationalism is found at (Dallas Theological Seminary) in the US

(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) & (1 Corinthians 15:51-54) is nothing more than the Lord's second coming and the last day resurrection in final judgement (The End) in parallel teachings
 

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No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture, it's the invention of John N. Darby 1830's and was promoted by C.I Scofields 1909 reference Bible with Darby's teachings in the margins

The modern headquarters of this false teaching better known as dispensationalism is found at (Dallas Theological Seminary) in the US

(1 Thessalonians 4:13-18) & (1 Corinthians 15:51-54) is nothing more than the Lord's second coming and the last day resurrection in final judgement (The End) in parallel teachings
Yes, John Nelson Darby coined the phrase pre-trib rapture and probably also the the phrase "the tribulation".

And yes, the Dallas Theological Seminary promotes the teachings of both.

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Terminology, phrases, aside - there will be a resurrection/catching up (rapture) event. The pre-trib rapture term implies pre-70th week. The event may indeed happen pre-70th week.

Or it may not. The event though does have to happen before the transgression of desolation act (Daniel 8:13) described in 2Thessalonians2:4 that the Antichrist will commit - triggering the beginning of the day of the Lord when God's wrath is poured out.

The resurrection/catching up (rapture) event is in 1Thessalonians5:9-11.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
 

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Yes, John Nelson Darby coined the phrase pre-trib rapture and probably also the the phrase "the tribulation".

And yes, the Dallas Theological Seminary promotes the teachings of both.

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Terminology, phrases, aside - there will be a resurrection/catching up (rapture) event. The pre-trib rapture term implies pre-70th week. The event may indeed happen pre-70th week.

Or it may not. The event though does have to happen before the transgression of desolation act (Daniel 8:13) described in 2Thessalonians2:4 that the Antichrist will commit - triggering the beginning of the day of the Lord when God's wrath is poured out.

The resurrection/catching up (rapture) event is in 1Thessalonians5:9-11.

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

11 Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.
As shown, no such thing as a pre-trub rapture in seen in scripture, dispensationalism does nothing more than take the Lord's second coming and last day resurrection and claim its a pre-trub rapture
 

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The term "the Tribulation" is misleading. The 70th week is not all tribulation. For much of the first half of the 70th week, the world will be saying peace and safety.

The 7 years of Daniel 9:27 coincide with the 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 right after the Gog/Magog event. All of Israel's enemy nations will have their armies destroyed in the Gog/Magog event. So tribulation will not immediately follow - but instead a false messianic age initiated by the Antichrist - perceived Jewish messiah.

Since "the Tribulation" and "Tribulation Period" are both misleading terms, I recommend not using those terms. And instead use the term "the 70th week".
The 70th seven begins when the nation of Israel signs a 7-year covenant with the Antichrist. This 7 year Tribulation is divided into two equal segments. The first half (3 1/2 years) and the second half (3 1/2 years). Both halves are describes as Tribulation. The first half is actually called the Tribulation THLIPSIS
Terminology, phrases, aside - there will be a resurrection/catching up (rapture) event. The pre-trib rapture term implies pre-70th week. The event may indeed happen pre-70th week.
Rev 3.10 explicitly says it will be pre-trib.
 

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The 70th seven begins when the nation of Israel signs a 7-year covenant with the Antichrist. This 7 year Tribulation is divided into two equal segments. The first half (3 1/2 years) and the second half (3 1/2 years). Both halves are describes as Tribulation. The first half is actually called the Tribulation THLIPSIS
Why would anyone be saying "peace and safety" if they were in tribulation ?

The change from saying peace and safety to sudden destruction comes like a thief in the night - i.e. totally unexpected.

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1Thessalonians5:
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
 

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The term "the Tribulation" is misleading. The 70th week is not all tribulation. For much of the first half of the 70th week, the world will be saying peace and safety.

Which then leads to something totally illogical, that the DOTL is now involving great tribulation per this proposed scenario. Except Matthew 24:29 places the DOTL after great tribulation. Not to mention, as if it makes sense to apply 2 Peter 3:10-12 at the beginning of great tribulation rather than after it.

Look at the following. Leave any doctrinal bias' out of it for a moment. How does it make sense that the DOTL comes 2 different times like a thief in the night rather than just one time?

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


Of course though, what is the point in anyone bothering to dispute something since most members in here place their doctrinal bias' above logic? How can one think they can possibly get through to a mindset like that? Where that mindset places their doctrinal bias' above that of simple logic? That logic says, when 2 Peter 3:10-12 is meaning, is when 1 Thessalonians 5:2 is meaning. And that 2 Peter 3:10-12 can't be meaning at the beginning of great tribulation. Therefore, nothing, as in zero, recorded in 1 Thessalonians 5 can be meaning at the beginning of nor during great tribulation, either.
 

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Why would anyone be saying "peace and safety" if they were in tribulation ?

The change from saying peace and safety to sudden destruction comes like a thief in the night - i.e. totally unexpected.

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1Thessalonians5:
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
The times and seasons refers to when the Day of the Lord comes. The believers in Thess knew already (you have no need that I should write to you) that it would come as a thief in the night. The DOL, used in both OT and NT, always refers to a temporal judgment, and here the DOL refers to the Tribulation. Note vs 3, when THEY shall say Peace and Safety is a reference to the unbelievers and the YOU in vv4,5 reveals that Paul is clearly contrasting the unbelieving world (they) with the believers in Thess (you).

Verse 3 shows that the Rapture will occur when the unbelievers do not expect it. It will be during a time of relative peace and safety, especially in contrast to the first and second halves of the Tribulation which is before the Rapture. Remember, the Tribulation can come anytime after the Rapture. It could be a week, a month, maybe even 6 months. And during that time of the first half, it will more than likely relative peace and safety, bit not for long. The Tribulation is a time of ever increasing trauma and fear (then sudden destruction). The initial start of the Trib. I believe will be fairly peaceful. It is described as a mother's birth pains, which start as relatively calm (peace and safety), but soon life is like hell on earth.

So, there may very well be a 1) peaceful time after the Rapture but before the Trib, 2) an initial peaceful time at beginning of Trib.. There are other options but this should satisfy the "Peace and Safety" issue.