The Rapture and the Tribulation - Short

[Spiritual Israelite]

You provide a link with quotes of the early Church fathers, with Irenaeus being one, he clearly states the church goes through the tribulation and (They Overcome) being crowned in reward, he states (In The End) the church will suddenly be caught up

Not one word Irenaeus states even hints at Darby's pre-trib rapture

Quote Irenaeus:
“And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, ‘There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be’. For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.”

He obviously was just making it up that there were ECFs who believed in a pre-trib rapture. I can't believe how dishonest these pre-tribs are.

 

[Truth7t7]

In a sermon entitled “On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World,” Syrian church father Pseudo-Ephraem (fourth to sixth century) wrote, “For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.”[8] The gathering Pseudo-Ephraem mentions appears to refer to a pre-tribulation Rapture of the Church.

In 1316, an anonymous treatise entitled The History of Brother Dolcino articulated some of the beliefs of the Apostolic Brethren.[9] Their leader, Brother Dolcino, believed he and his followers would be taken to heaven and protected from the actions of the Antichrist before later descending back to earth, thus holding to a belief in a pre-tribulation Rapture.

Pseudo-Ephraem was translated into English at Tyndale Seminary In Texas by Cameron Rhoades, it was done at the request of David Cloud and the late Grant Jeffrey for his book, the three mentioned are all biased pre-trib advocates being big names in this community

Tyndale Seminary is the size of a house in (Hurst Texas) and unaccredited in theological studies, Cameron Rhoades English that you quote is a biased "Farce"

When Was the Pre-Tribulation Rapture First Taught?
January 31, 2024 (first published November 6, 2014)
David Cloud, Way of Life Literature, P.O. Box 610368, Port Huron, MI 48061

In the 1990s some of Ephraem’s writings were translated into English for the first time, one of these being On the Last Times, the Antichrist, and the End of the World, A.D. 373.

The translation was done by Professor Cameron Rhoades of Tyndale Theological Seminary at the bequest of Grant R. Jeffrey. It was subsequently published in Jeffrey’s 1995 book Final Warning.

Tyndall Seminary Hurst Texas Below
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[Truth7t7]

The Shepherd of Hermas (AD 90 to 150), speaks of the pretribulational concept of escaping the tribulation.

"You have escaped from great tribulation on account of your faith, and because you did not doubt in the presence of such a beast. Therefore, go, tell the elect of the Lord His mighty deeds, and tell them that this beast is a type of the great tribulation that is coming. If you prepare yourselves, repent with all your heart, and turn to the Lord, it will be possible for you to escape it, if your heart is pure and spotless, and you spend the rest of your life in serving the Lord blamelessly."

Not one word you provide teaches of Darby's pre-trib rapture, you use the word "Escape" and try desperately to turn this into your pre-trib rapture, keep looking its found no place in scripture

 

[Truth7t7]

He obviously was just making it up that there were ECFs who believed in a pre-trib rapture. I can't believe how dishonest these pre-tribs are.

Yes I also believe dishonesty is in play, humans will go to great lengths trying to be right, man's pride in stubborn rebellion

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes I also believe dishonesty is in play, humans will go to great lengths trying to be right, man's pride in stubborn rebellion

Right. There was nothing in any of that text that said anything about anyone being taken off of the earth to avoid tribulation, but instead it talked about being protected while still on the earth. Pre-tribs apparently think we need to be escorted off of the earth whenever trouble comes and that God isn't capable of protecting us any other way.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Not one word you provide teaches of Darby's pre-trib rapture, you use the word "Escape" and try desperately to turn this into your pre-trib rapture, keep looking its found no place in scripture

Right. That quote talks about escaping tribulation and then after that spending "the rest of your life in serving the Lord blamelessly". So, he clearly was talking about being protected and enduring tribulation while on the earth and, once getting through it and enduring it, then serving the Lord the rest of your life after that. Nothing to do with a pre-trib rapture whatsoever.