Why faith alone? The answer...

[Sister-n-Christ]

I'm quoting Paul writing not my own, so I don't understand your reply, is there something you don't understand, about Paul's writings? God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

Now you're dismissing Paul so to prove your point that contradicts him.

If Salvation isn't eternal as Jesus said,it isn't Salvation.

 

[Debp]

Only Jesus was born again,

LOL

@Angelina How do some people here get to identify as Christians? They can lead people astray.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Only Jesus was born again, Remember, this is after His resurrection. John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family, Jesus was Born Again. So when Jesus died and born again he had a different Body and can do other things like pop up from nowhere, etc. Look at what 1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Paul confirm what Peter says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

Note. Jesus was God.
He was not born again because he was born without sin.

 

[bro.tan]

Note. Jesus was God.
He was not born again because he was born without sin.

Paul says in Hebrews 2: 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Can't be God and be made a little lower then angel for the suffering of death. Because God don't die! But we know Jesus had to die.

 

[bro.tan]

Now you're dismissing Paul so to prove your point that contradicts him.

If Salvation isn't eternal as Jesus said,it isn't Salvation.

Go back and read the other part and put the conversation all together, so it made since.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Paul says in Hebrews 2: 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. 10For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

Can't be God and be made a little lower then angel for the suffering of death. Because God don't die! But we know Jesus had to die.

If your point is to insist Jesus knew sin because he was born a sinner,you are lost in false teaching that corrupts the words of God through the exercise of a fallen natural mind.

Jesus was without sin. A sinner cannot save sinners.

Jesus became sin,not a sinner,on the cross. He took the sins of the world upon himself there. And as we are told,we who are sinners are dead in our sin and shall die as such unless we are redeemed, Jesus then died on the cross.And sin and its power to kill.

Three days later he Resurrected. And in so doing proved He conquered death and that burden of the world's sins that he took with him to the tomb.
He divested sin of its power over us. Which is why faith in that saves us.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Go back and read the other part and put the conversation all together, so it made since.

It made sense the first time .

I know you and those like you try to demean the Christians here who know and speak the truth. Your tactic is to assail our writing style.

It's not surprising at all. Because you first don't understand the written words of God. So,mocking us in an effort to degrade the Gospel is your sin.

And it shall avail you nothing good.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Faith alone, is Blind faith !

One must be Baptised by the Holy Spirit to be Saved in fact.

Water Baptism is setting one up for the remission of Sins. your on the path set forward for one within the Church.

Bibles says that Oh you of little faith in fact ! So their is an issue with such in fact ! as that is not where Christ Jesus wants you to be stuck at only that point in fact ! Because one need the Faith that can move mountains in fact ! that's the Saved who have such conviction in fact ! because one of just a little faith can be lead astray for the Weeds choke one's growth in Christ Jesus in fact !

One need solid roots to grow strong enough to weather the issues of this world, that is full of deceptions and delusions in fact ! one of little faith.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Faith alone, is Blind faith !

One must be Baptised by the Holy Spirit to be Saved in fact.

Water Baptism is setting ne up for the remission of Sins. your on the path set forward for one within the Church.

Bibles says that Oh you of little faith in fact ! So their is an issue with such in fact ! as that is not where Christ Jesus wants you to be stuck at only that point in fact ! Because one need the Faith that can move mountains in fact ! that's the Saved who have such conviction in fact ! because one of just a little faith can be lead astray for the Weeds choke one's growth in Christ Jesus in fact !

One need solid roots to grow strong enough to weather the issues of this world, that is full of deceptions and delusions in fact ! one of little faith.

Jesus is the water of life. Faith is of and from God. One comes into faith because they are baptized by the Holy Spirit first when that water of life enters them and leads them into understanding the things of God.

We are born from being carried in the water in our mother's womb, and are later delivered from there as that water precedes our delivery into this world.
We are reborn by the water of life, Jesus, when his Holy Spirit enters us. We are then never thirsty for the truth of God. Because we are then reborn by that water that nourishes us from within by leading us into his understanding.

 

[bro.tan]

It made sense the first time .

I know you and those like you try to demean the Christians here who know and speak the truth. Your tactic is to assail our writing style.

It's not surprising at all. Because you first don't understand the written words of God. So,mocking us in an effort to degrade the Gospel is your sin.

And it shall avail you nothing good.

peace in Jesus name

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

peace in Jesus name

I have that indeed. Thank you.

 

[bro.tan]

If your point is to insist Jesus knew sin because he was born a sinner,you are lost in false teaching that corrupts the words of God through the exercise of a fallen natural mind.

Jesus was without sin. A sinner cannot save sinners.

Jesus became sin,not a sinner,on the cross. He took the sins of the world upon himself there. And as we are told,we who are sinners are dead in our sin and shall die as such unless we are redeemed, Jesus then died on the cross.And sin and its power to kill.

Three days later he Resurrected. And in so doing proved He conquered death and that burden of the world's sins that he took with him to the tomb.
He divested sin of its power over us. Which is why faith in that saves us.

My point is to let you know Jesus was made flesh like us, not sure what you talking about. but let just end this here, call it peace in Jesus name

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

My point is to let you know Jesus was made flesh like us, not sure what you talking about. but let just end this here, call it peace in Jesus name

You know what I'm talking about.

You don't like when someone counters your unbiblical false teaching. So you claim you don't know what they're talking about when they correct you.

If peace were something you know,you would never teach falsehood in Jesus name.

It is a lie from the pit of Hell to say, Jesus was born again.

Because that is saying, Jesus was born with a sin nature in order for that to occur.

Slandering Jesus divine nature isn't an example of peace. Far from it. That's Blasphemy and heresy.

And God knows it too .

You have nothing else to say.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Jesus is the water of life. Faith is of and from God. One comes into faith because they are baptized by the Holy Spirit first when that water of life enters them and leads them into understanding the things of God.

We are born from being carried in the water in our mother's womb, and are later delivered from there as that water precedes our delivery into this world.
We are reborn by the water of life, Jesus, when his Holy Spirit enters us. We are then never thirsty for the truth of God. Because we are then reborn by that water that nourishes us from within by leading us into his understanding.

You are correct in regards Jesus is the living waters !

But in regards our mother, that's nonsense ! new age crap.

We who seek Salvation, are given to the spiritual Waters as is the Wellspring their of but not freely ?

We are always seeking the wellspring regardless ! we have not arrived ? we are Set on the Path !

Being born again is just the real start ! not the end of the wellspring !

Once one is Saved you still seek the wellspring freely ! for it's not of your own will ? we still learning regardless.

One is not Saved by being dubbed at the moment, but it's your calling ! we do not boast of it, for it does not come from us.

Christ Jesus is the Holy Spirit in fact !

That first spark of Faith that one gets will never go out ? but it can fall short, for the weeds of this world cover it in you, for it has not grown like a Tree, where most of the weeds have no power over the Tree, but for some ?

So faith alone is nonsense ! that is blind faith ! that's of this world in fact. people who just swallow what some so called Preist says or the so called Denomination claims !
I was told just to believe the Denominations Preacher, but I could not in fact ! because I questioned him and he ran away from answering such questions ! The thing was he did not know, he only peddled the Denominations Lines ! he was not seeking ! just following ? as most people only do, why is that ? well they are not on Fire for Christ Jesus, but Lukewarm in fact, or only for the Church denomination ?

Now how does on become on Fire for Christ Jesus ? drinking from the Wellspring ! we are strenthened !

 

[Debp]

It is a lie from the pit of Hell to say, Jesus was born again.

Only Jesus was born again, Remember, this is after His resurrection. John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you. 27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. 28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Note two very important things within these verses. 1. Jesus appeared in the midst of them and the doors were shut. 2. Thomas called Him God. When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family, Jesus was Born Again. So when Jesus died and born again he had a different Body and can do other things like pop up from nowhere, etc. Look at what 1 Peter says in Ch 1: 23 being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. Paul confirm what Peter says the same thing in 1 Corthinan 15: 42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

@Sister-n-Christ I remember @bro.tan saying only Jesus was born again...I was likewise shocked at his statement.

I found his post and it's above. His following statement in the post is also quite shocking:

"When Jesus came out of the grave he was born into the God family, Jesus was Born Again. So when Jesus died and born again he had a different Body..."

Bro. Tan, do you realize when Jesus came out of the grave, Jesus was resurrected? He wasn't born again. There is no need for the eternal sinless Son of God to be born again.

Have you experienced being born again by confessing your sins and believing on Christ as your personal Savior? Many of us can point to the date when we were born again through trusting in Christ. 1972 for me. Peace of mind and heart has been with me through knowing Jesus as my Savior.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

You are correct in regards Jesus is the living waters !

Yes, it's scripture.

But in regards our mother, that's nonsense ! new age crap.

No,it's human reproductive Biology.

When you degrade that with your new age claim you won't understand anything akin to the teachings of Jesus.

 

[Debp]

@Reggie Belafonte See John chapter 3 where Jesus talks about being born of water and the Spirit. Most people think the water refers to when we are physically born into this world.

Of course the Spirit refers to the Holy Spirit who comes to indwell us as believers....then we are born again.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

@Reggie Belafonte See John chapter 3 where Jesus talks about being born of water and the Spirit. Most people think the water refers to when we are physically born into this world.

Of course the Spirit refers to the Holy Spirit who comes to indwell us as believers....then we are born again.

Most Christians who study scripture do realize in the parables of Jesus, which he used exclusively,he often referred to life experiences listeners would be familiar with.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Yes, it's scripture.

No,it's human reproductive Biology.

When you degrade that with your new age claim you won't understand anything akin to the teachings of Jesus.

Ones Mother has nothing at all to do with one being a Christian. apart from promoting Jesus for their child.

No one has anything to do with being truly born again, that's Christ Jesus work in one !

When one is water baptised that is all about the Church ! in the hope that one becomes born againe of the Holy Spirit = your Soul is Saved because one serves Christ Jesus and not This world in fact, because souch a one does not go back to their vomit !

Any Christian would want their Child to be water baptised ! for it's your duty to help that child in fact to grow with the hope that they have the tools to help them repent ? and the rest is of Christ Jesus doing that we hope for to be Saved ! so they are not to go back to the vomit.

Water baptism does not Save ones Soul !
The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is what Saves ones Soul !

I have never heard of anything like, it's human reproductive Biology.
So I say that such must be New Age nonsense !

When John was water baptising the Jews it was for what ?
The Jews were not against such at all ! But Jesus got Water Baptised by John as well. was Jesus and John wrong ? for their mother did such when giving birth to them !
So John and Jesus were wrong, you claim ?

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Ones Mother has nothing at all to do with one being a Christian. apart from promoting Jesus for their child.

No one has anything to do with being truly born again, that's Christ Jesus work in one !

When one is water baptised that is all about the Church ! in the hope that one becomes born againe of the Holy Spirit = your Soul is Saved because one serves Christ Jesus and not This world in fact, because souch a one does not go back to their vomit !

Any Christian would want their Child to be water baptised ! for it's your duty to help that child in fact to grow with the hope that they have the tools to help them repent ? and the rest is of Christ Jesus doing that we hope for to be Saved ! so they are not to go back to the vomit.

Water baptism does not Save ones Soul !
The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is what Saves ones Soul !

I have never heard of anything like, it's human reproductive Biology.
So I say that such must be New Age nonsense !

When John was water baptising the Jews it was for what ?
The Jews were not against such at all ! But Jesus got Water Baptised by John as well. was Jesus and John wrong ? for their mother did such when giving birth to them !
So John and Jesus were wrong, you claim ?

Never claimed they were wrong.

You are though. Thinking ones means by God's creation of being born has no relationship to the parables of Jesus and his reference to water birth.