Forgiveness

[Pet]

Well, there is that...I hope my friends have a lot of faith! Lol. Thanks bro!
What of a family member who holds grudges or bears false witness about you and lies to you? Even so, this family member does not in general ever own up to her own issues but always points the finger. I don't remember her ever taking responsibility for her lot in life. She will slap the olive branch from your hand every time, it's so very difficult to continue to try this over and over to no adieu. All it does is bring back all the negative feelings and the reminders of what she has done hence, I get upset all over again. The bible says to get along with all men, as far as it is up to you...I feel I have done my part so many times but have to back off as it brings nothing but sadness AND anger! HATE those emotions and do not wish to continue in this vein.

Exactly!

 

[Pet]

Excellent brother!

And the negative feelings in time will fade away.

How much time, would you say?

 

[Pet]

So, something just came to me.
The person who I received forgiveness for, never openly repented, yet in the moment i glanced at them, I knew they were tormented with guilt.
No words were needed.
I now believe that repentance is the 'trigger' for our forgiveness.
Still mulling it over :)

 

[ProDeo]

How much time, would you say?

Excellent question, too many variables involved for a (so to say) scientific answer.

Variables involved, a top of my head, not meant to be complete :

. How deeply is a person hurt?
. How many rejections did a person suffer in his life?
. How about the self esteem of a person?
. How about the self esteem / identity who a person is in Christ?

We are commanded to forgive others like God has forgiven us in Christ, for some it's easy, for others it's a long process.

But as @Behold said, a good start is to be obedient to the Word and forgive the person in question, either silent in your mind or more powerful, but also more confronting, in speaking the words. You might feel sick to your stomach because you feel the opposite but you have showed the good Lord your intention. Keep on doing it and as time passes by, you are also healing yourself.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Calvinism is a false teaching, and you posted it.

Listen.

God is not a Calvinist

Jesus is not a Calvinist.

Paul the Apostle is not a Calvinist.

The BIBLE, the NT, does not teach Calvinism.

Lord, one day I know you will lift the sin of bigotry and blind ignorance from those in your community.

Calling me Calvinist doesn't mean I am one.

It just means you are admitting you are incapable of taking God at his word. Because your bigotry blinds your mind.

You don't know what you're talking about,ever, when you don't accept what God says at any point where you decide you're seeing, "Calvinism", at any point.

 

[Behold]

Lord, one day I know you will lift the sin of bigotry and blind ignorance from those in your community.

A worst offense being committed by a Christian is "blind tolerance".

Calling me Calvinist doesn't mean I am one.

You define yourself as one when you post Calvinism.
You've posted quite a lot of it to me.

Let me show you something to consider.

Christians lead people to CHRIST.

Calvinists lead people to CALVINISM.........so, everyone who recites Calvinism as their theology, was taught it by a Calvinist.
This can be an online site.
This can be a Commentary.
It can be a Calvinized forum member who leads you there.... or a Pastor...or a family member, or a neighbor, as Calvin's disciples are everywhere.. worldwide.

It just means you are admitting you are incapable of taking God at his word. Because your bigotry blinds your mind.

Its the simple minded who label someone with an insulting offensive term........, but can't prove it.
And try to understand that accusing is not the same as proving.
So, i'll see you there, next time. @Sister-n-Christ

You don't know what you're talking about,ever, when you don't accept what God says

The wonder of the deceived Calvinist, like you, is that you always claim that this Cross rejecting Grace offending theology is "of God".

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

A worst offense being committed by a Christian is "blind tolerance".




You define yourself as one when you post Calvinism.
You've posted quite a lot of it to me.

Let me show you something to consider.

Christians lead people to CHRIST.

Calvinists lead people to CALVINISM.........so, everyone who recites Calvinism as their theology, was taught it by a Calvinist.
This can be an online site.
This can be a Commentary.
It can be a Calvinized forum member who leads you there.... or a Pastor...or a family member, or a neighbor, as Calvin's disciples are everywhere.. worldwide.



Its the simple minded who label someone with an insulting offensive term........, but can't prove it.
And try to understand that accusing is not the same as proving.
So, i'll see you there, next time. @Sister-n-Christ



The wonder of the deceived Calvinist, like you, is that you always claim that this Cross rejecting Grace offending theology is "of God".

I realize your nature will not allow you to stop slandering this Christian as you also compound your offense by denigrating God's word in your effort.

There are sadly enough far too many here operating under a strong delusion and corruption of spirit.
While it is disgusting it is also tragic.

God help them.

 

[Behold]

I realize your nature will not allow you to stop slandering this Christian as you also compound your offense by denigrating God's word in your effort.

You have the nature of the Accuser of the Brethren.... and you continue to prove.
You should find out who that is, and correct yourself, @Sister-n-Christ .


Listen, John Calvinism, is a Cross Denying Heresy, that spits on the Blood of Jesus.
How?
By teaching , as hyper-calvinists teach it, that God chooses some for Hell before they are born , and they are prevented by GOD from Trusting in Christ.
Thats a Satanic teaching......as it denies that God gave Jesus to the "world"......as John 3:16 clearly teaches.

There are sadly enough far too many here operating under a strong delusion and corruption of spirit.
While it is disgusting it is also tragic.

Its sad that your Calvinism does not allow you to be anything else, @Sister-n-Christ.

 

[Triumph1300]

And he brings them to Heaven when they die unredeemed.

Where is that in scripture?

 

[Lambano]

I now believe that repentance is the 'trigger' for our forgiveness.
Still mulling it over :)

It helps.

Conditional forgiveness is a valid option.

 

[Pet]

Im not a calvinist or a reformist, am sinply a Christian...but, Getting back to the point
If The Lord requires us to repent before He forgives us, surely the same rule applies to our offenders.
There again, I'm not ruling anything out...with God, all things are possible.

I love you guys

 

[TLHKAJ]

Im not a calvinist or a reformist, am sinply a Christian...but, Getting back to the point
If The Lord requires us to repent before He forgives us, surely the same rule applies to our offenders.
There again, I'm not ruling anything out...with God, all things are possible.

I love you guys

We aren't God. God is perfect, we are not. God's call for us to forgive is for our spiritual protection and wellbeing... and so that we can shine His light in a dark world and not proliferate bitterness in the world.

 

[Lambano]

If The Lord requires us to repent before He forgives us, ...

The word used in the NT that's translated " to repent", μετανοέω, literally means "to change your mind". Or your heart.

What does "repent" mean to you in the context of forgiving and being forgiven?

 

[Lambano]

 

[Lambano]

I'm thinking that sometimes, being forgiven first triggers the change of heart. And a change of heart triggers a change of behavior.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Then, what if the Father granted Jesus's request to forgive them, regardless of whether they actually repented or not?

Or will you take the position that Jesus's request just a pretense?

That is entirely up to God.

Why do you make the suggestion that I would assume that Jesus pretended to pray for his crucifiers?

 

[Windmill Charge]

That's false doctrine.

Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. (forgive us in the same way we forgive others)

Matthew 6:15 If ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Yes, let's make the decision to forgive others even as the Lord has forgiven us.

Luke 6:37 Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

But hey, don't let what the Lord says get in the way of the deception the devil has sown in to your thinking.

Now include the old Testament teaching about forgiveness and the passage I quoted.

 

[Lambano]

We copy Jesus, who on the cross did NOT forgive his crucified but rather prayed to his Father asking him to forgive them.

Why do you make the suggestion that I would assume that Jesus pretended to pray for his crucifiers?

You've taken the position that repentance is required before forgiveness can occur. At the point in time Jesus asked his Father to forgive them, those crucifying Him had no intention of ceasing what they were doing. In fact, it could be argued (by one of those reviled Calvinists, no doubt) that they could not cease and desist in their behavior, because God Himself had foreordained the crucifixion, and nothing in the universe could stop it, and Jesus knew it. Furthermore, you have stated that Jesus Himself did not forgive them, though I think the prayer itself shows that He did. Pray for show; putt for dough?

Were they forgiven? Did the Father honor Jesus's request?

 

[Dash RipRock]

You've taken the position that repentance is required before forgiveness can occur. At the point in time Jesus asked his Father to forgive them, those crucifying Him had no intention of ceasing what they were doing. In fact, it could be argued (by one of those reviled Calvinists, no doubt) that they could not cease and desist in their behavior, because God Himself had foreordained the crucifixion, and nothing in the universe could stop it, and Jesus knew it. Furthermore, you have stated that Jesus Himself did not forgive them, though I think the prayer itself shows that He did. Pray for show; putt for dough?

Were they forgiven? Did the Father honor Jesus's request?

You failed to mention that Jesus teaches unless one gets born again they shall not see His Kingdom.

These guys that crucified Jesus do not have on their record that they crucified Jesus due to Jesus asking the Father to forgive them for this act.

This does not mean they are saved and they don't have to repent of their sins and get born again to be saved.

So the scripture twisting you engage in claiming one does not have to forgive others of wrong doing towards them unless they ask for forgiveness first is a false premise.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Im not a calvinist or a reformist, am sinply a Christian...but, Getting back to the point
If The Lord requires us to repent before He forgives us, surely the same rule applies to our offenders.
There again, I'm not ruling anything out...with God, all things are possible.

I love you guys

Well said.

Sadly,the C word is the go-to for those not well studied in scripture.

True. With God all things are possible. May he one day heal those dark souls suffering and expressing TDS. As well as those who attack Christians who think calling us Calvinist takes us out of God's grace.
Amen.