Forgiveness

[Behold]

Yes, no one comes to Jesus unless God calls them.

God is in Heaven.

Its the Holy Spirit who was given at Pentecost, who offers a person the choice to trust in Christ.

This is what Jesus meant when He said......>"Draw ALL people to ME".

Otherwise,natural man cannot understand the things of God.

Any unbeliever can hear the call of the Holy Spirit in their heart..... that reveals to them that they are a sinner, needing Salvation.

This is "i will DRAW all people to me".

As the passage says no one has ascended to Heaven but the one who came down from Heaven.

Catholics teach that Mary ascended to heaven in her dead body.
That didnt happen.

However, the born again Spirit leaves the body, upon death of the body, and goes to Heaven.

You can do a verse study if you have time..........as Paul says its better to leave the body and to be preasent with the Lord.
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KJ21
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
ASV
we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.
AMP
we are [as I was saying] of good courage and confident hope, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.
AMPC
[Yes] we have confident and hopeful courage and are pleased rather to be away from home out of the body and be at home with the Lord.
BRG
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
CSB
In fact, we are confident, and we would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
CEB
We are confident, and we would prefer to leave the body and to be at home with the Lord.
CJB
We are confident, then, and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and come to our home with the Lord.
CEV
We should be cheerful, because we would rather leave these bodies and be at home with the Lord.
DARBY
we are confident, I say, and pleased rather to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.
DLNT
yet we are confident and prefer rather to get-away-from-home, out of the body, and to get-at-home with the Lord.
DRA
But we are confident, and have a good will to be absent rather from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
ERV
So I say that we have confidence. And we really want to be away from this body and be at home with the Lord.
EASY
We are brave because we trust God. We would like to go away from our body here on earth. Then we would go to be at home with the Lord. And that would be better!
EHV
But we are confident and would much prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
ESV
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
ESVUK
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
EXB
So I say that we ·have courage [or are confident]. We really ·want [would prefer] to be ·away [absent; or exiled] from this body and be at home with the Lord.
GNV
Nevertheless, we are bold, and love rather to remove out of the body, and to dwell with the Lord.
GW
We are confident and prefer to live away from this body and to live with the Lord.
GNT
We are full of courage and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and be at home with the Lord.
HCSB
and we are confident and satisfied to be out of the body and at home with the Lord.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

God is in Heaven.

Its the Holy Spirit who was given at Pentecost, who offers a person the choice to trust in Christ.

This is what Jesus meant when He said......>"Draw ALL people to ME".




Any unbeliever can hear the call of the Holy Spirit in their heart..... that reveals to them that they are a sinner, needing Salvation.

This is "i will DRAW all people to me".



Catholics teach that Mary ascended to heaven in her dead body.
That didnt happen.

However, the born again Spirit leaves the body, upon death of the body, and goes to Heaven.

You can do a verse study if you have time..........as Paul says its better to leave the body and to be preasent with the Lord.
-
KJ21
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
ASV
we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.
AMP
we are [as I was saying] of good courage and confident hope, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.
AMPC
[Yes] we have confident and hopeful courage and are pleased rather to be away from home out of the body and be at home with the Lord.
BRG
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
CSB
In fact, we are confident, and we would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
CEB
We are confident, and we would prefer to leave the body and to be at home with the Lord.
CJB
We are confident, then, and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and come to our home with the Lord.
CEV
We should be cheerful, because we would rather leave these bodies and be at home with the Lord.
DARBY
we are confident, I say, and pleased rather to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.
DLNT
yet we are confident and prefer rather to get-away-from-home, out of the body, and to get-at-home with the Lord.
DRA
But we are confident, and have a good will to be absent rather from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
ERV
So I say that we have confidence. And we really want to be away from this body and be at home with the Lord.
EASY
We are brave because we trust God. We would like to go away from our body here on earth. Then we would go to be at home with the Lord. And that would be better!
EHV
But we are confident and would much prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
ESV
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
ESVUK
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
EXB
So I say that we ·have courage [or are confident]. We really ·want [would prefer] to be ·away [absent; or exiled] from this body and be at home with the Lord.
GNV
Nevertheless, we are bold, and love rather to remove out of the body, and to dwell with the Lord.
GW
We are confident and prefer to live away from this body and to live with the Lord.
GNT
We are full of courage and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and be at home with the Lord.
HCSB
and we are confident and satisfied to be out of the body and at home with the Lord.

I trust Jesus and know what he said is eternal and unable to be overruled by false teachings.

 

[Jay Ross]

I trust Jesus and know what he said is eternal and unable to be overruled by false teachings.

False teaching does not overrule what is eternal truth, it just leads people to look towards the wrong source for their nourishment. God told Abraham that his descendants would be a blessing to all the people who chose to inhabit His fertile soil/field.

Shalom

 

[TLHKAJ]

Your testimony is inspirational

God has done amazing things.

 

[Lambano]

Forgiveness is always conditional upon repentance.

No repentance, no requirement for us to forgive.


Which leaves us with how do we handle our feelings etc. We copy Jesus, who on the cross did NOT forgive his crucified but rather prayed to his Father asking him to forgive them.

Then, what if the Father granted Jesus's request to forgive them, regardless of whether they actually repented or not?

Or will you take the position that Jesus's request just a pretense?