Forgiveness

[Behold]

Yes, no one comes to Jesus unless God calls them.

God is in Heaven.

Its the Holy Spirit who was given at Pentecost, who offers a person the choice to trust in Christ.

This is what Jesus meant when He said......>"Draw ALL people to ME".

Otherwise,natural man cannot understand the things of God.

Any unbeliever can hear the call of the Holy Spirit in their heart..... that reveals to them that they are a sinner, needing Salvation.

This is "i will DRAW all people to me".

As the passage says no one has ascended to Heaven but the one who came down from Heaven.

Catholics teach that Mary ascended to heaven in her dead body.
That didnt happen.

However, the born again Spirit leaves the body, upon death of the body, and goes to Heaven.

You can do a verse study if you have time..........as Paul says its better to leave the body and to be preasent with the Lord.
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KJ21
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
ASV
we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.
AMP
we are [as I was saying] of good courage and confident hope, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.
AMPC
[Yes] we have confident and hopeful courage and are pleased rather to be away from home out of the body and be at home with the Lord.
BRG
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
CSB
In fact, we are confident, and we would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
CEB
We are confident, and we would prefer to leave the body and to be at home with the Lord.
CJB
We are confident, then, and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and come to our home with the Lord.
CEV
We should be cheerful, because we would rather leave these bodies and be at home with the Lord.
DARBY
we are confident, I say, and pleased rather to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.
DLNT
yet we are confident and prefer rather to get-away-from-home, out of the body, and to get-at-home with the Lord.
DRA
But we are confident, and have a good will to be absent rather from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
ERV
So I say that we have confidence. And we really want to be away from this body and be at home with the Lord.
EASY
We are brave because we trust God. We would like to go away from our body here on earth. Then we would go to be at home with the Lord. And that would be better!
EHV
But we are confident and would much prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
ESV
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
ESVUK
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
EXB
So I say that we ·have courage [or are confident]. We really ·want [would prefer] to be ·away [absent; or exiled] from this body and be at home with the Lord.
GNV
Nevertheless, we are bold, and love rather to remove out of the body, and to dwell with the Lord.
GW
We are confident and prefer to live away from this body and to live with the Lord.
GNT
We are full of courage and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and be at home with the Lord.
HCSB
and we are confident and satisfied to be out of the body and at home with the Lord.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

God is in Heaven.

Its the Holy Spirit who was given at Pentecost, who offers a person the choice to trust in Christ.

This is what Jesus meant when He said......>"Draw ALL people to ME".




Any unbeliever can hear the call of the Holy Spirit in their heart..... that reveals to them that they are a sinner, needing Salvation.

This is "i will DRAW all people to me".



Catholics teach that Mary ascended to heaven in her dead body.
That didnt happen.

However, the born again Spirit leaves the body, upon death of the body, and goes to Heaven.

You can do a verse study if you have time..........as Paul says its better to leave the body and to be preasent with the Lord.
-
KJ21
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
ASV
we are of good courage, I say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the Lord.
AMP
we are [as I was saying] of good courage and confident hope, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord.
AMPC
[Yes] we have confident and hopeful courage and are pleased rather to be away from home out of the body and be at home with the Lord.
BRG
We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
CSB
In fact, we are confident, and we would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
CEB
We are confident, and we would prefer to leave the body and to be at home with the Lord.
CJB
We are confident, then, and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and come to our home with the Lord.
CEV
We should be cheerful, because we would rather leave these bodies and be at home with the Lord.
DARBY
we are confident, I say, and pleased rather to be absent from the body and present with the Lord.
DLNT
yet we are confident and prefer rather to get-away-from-home, out of the body, and to get-at-home with the Lord.
DRA
But we are confident, and have a good will to be absent rather from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
ERV
So I say that we have confidence. And we really want to be away from this body and be at home with the Lord.
EASY
We are brave because we trust God. We would like to go away from our body here on earth. Then we would go to be at home with the Lord. And that would be better!
EHV
But we are confident and would much prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
ESV
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
ESVUK
Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
EXB
So I say that we ·have courage [or are confident]. We really ·want [would prefer] to be ·away [absent; or exiled] from this body and be at home with the Lord.
GNV
Nevertheless, we are bold, and love rather to remove out of the body, and to dwell with the Lord.
GW
We are confident and prefer to live away from this body and to live with the Lord.
GNT
We are full of courage and would much prefer to leave our home in the body and be at home with the Lord.
HCSB
and we are confident and satisfied to be out of the body and at home with the Lord.

I trust Jesus and know what he said is eternal and unable to be overruled by false teachings.

 

[Jay Ross]

I trust Jesus and know what he said is eternal and unable to be overruled by false teachings.

False teaching does not overrule what is eternal truth, it just leads people to look towards the wrong source for their nourishment. God told Abraham that his descendants would be a blessing to all the people who chose to inhabit His fertile soil/field.

Shalom

 

[TLHKAJ]

Your testimony is inspirational

God has done amazing things.

 

[Lambano]

Forgiveness is always conditional upon repentance.

No repentance, no requirement for us to forgive.


Which leaves us with how do we handle our feelings etc. We copy Jesus, who on the cross did NOT forgive his crucified but rather prayed to his Father asking him to forgive them.

Then, what if the Father granted Jesus's request to forgive them, regardless of whether they actually repented or not?

Or will you take the position that Jesus's request just a pretense?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Forgiveness is always conditional upon repentance.

No repentance, no requirement for us to forgive.

That's false doctrine.

Matthew 6:12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. (forgive us in the same way we forgive others)

Matthew 6:15 If ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
Yes, let's make the decision to forgive others even as the Lord has forgiven us.

Luke 6:37 Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

But hey, don't let what the Lord says get in the way of the deception the devil has sown in to your thinking.

 

[Lambano]

Lurking behind that like a dark shadow is the sin - repent - do it again - repent again cycle, if anybody has ever been trapped in that cycle.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Lurking behind that like a dark shadow is the sin - repent - do it again - repent again cycle, if anybody has ever been trapped in that cycle.

That's how people who thought they were Christians end up in hell.

 

[Lambano]

That's how people who thought they were Christians end up in hell.

Let me know when you get there.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Let me know when you get there.

I won't be going homie.

But feel free to be lurking behind that like a dark shadow is the sin - repent - do it again - repent again cycle and see where you end up at.

 

[Lambano]

That's false doctrine.

That's how people who thought they were Christians end up in hell.

So, in reality, God DOESN'T forgive you unless you have perfect repentance.

So, that's how we should treat those who trespass against us too.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

So, in reality, God DOESN'T forgive you unless you live a perfect life.

Questions like this just demonstrate how deceived a person is and that they are ignorant of the scriptures. Sad.

 

[Lambano]

What of a family member who holds grudges or bears false witness about you and lies to you? Even so, this family member does not in general ever own up to her own issues but always points the finger. I don't remember her ever taking responsibility for her lot in life. She will slap the olive branch from your hand every time, it's so very difficult to continue to try this over and over to no adieu. All it does is bring back all the negative feelings and the reminders of what she has done hence, I get upset all over again. The bible says to get along with all men, as far as it is up to you...I feel I have done my part so many times but have to back off as it brings nothing but sadness AND anger! HATE those emotions and do not wish to continue in this vein.

One of the books I read defined "forgiveness" is the attitude that the offense will not stand in the way of restoring the relationship. The restoration of a busted relationship, reconciliation, is a separate (but related) topic.

I brought up "reconciliation" because it's not the same as forgiveness, though forgiveness is prerequisite for reconciliation.

"Forgiveness" is unilateral; it is a decision you make. "Reconciliation" takes both parties. I think that is where changes of attitude and changes of behavior come into play.

@Nancy, forgiveness is a mindset, and you can only control your own mindset. I don't think your relationship with your family member is salvageable unless the other person makes some changes.

 

[ProDeo]

The Key to forgive the unforgivable person, is to say "i forgive you" outloud .

So, we forgive, by intention......by meaning to try........by offering it the best we can, when we speak the words... "I forgive YOU".

If you dont feel the forgiveness.......dont worry about it.
God is not looking for your feelings, He's looking for our obedience, and sometimes we will not like it.

Excellent brother!

And the negative feelings in time will fade away.

 

[Behold]

I trust Jesus and know what he said is eternal and unable to be overruled by false teachings.

Calvinism is a false teaching, and you posted it.

Listen.

God is not a Calvinist

Jesus is not a Calvinist.

Paul the Apostle is not a Calvinist.

The BIBLE, the NT, does not teach Calvinism.

 

[Behold]

Excellent brother!

And the negative feelings in time will fade away.

Yes, amen.

The 2 reasons that God wants us to forgive, everyone, are.......

1.) Because we have been forgiven

2.) When we foregive, we are being made free from the harsh bondage of unforgiveness, and then we can heal.

 

[Lambano]

One of the things "forgiveness" means is letting go of the urge to WRING THEIR FREAKIN' NECKS!

I saw a documentary on TV about some gruesome rape and murder of a child. In the end, the victim's mother said she forgave the murderer. I guess that means she let go of the anger that was destroying her from the inside and she let go of the urge to see the S.O.B. electrocuted through his testicles. It did NOT mean she wanted any kind of a relationship with that man.

Then there was another documentary (the Sweet Lady does like watching Dateline) in which the victim's wife (who was a Christian and apparently took Jesus's words seriously) not only forgave the woman who killed her husband; she would come visit her in prison and they actually did have some kind of relationship. Maybe we can see God at work in that.

 

[Behold]

Then there was another documentary (the Sweet Lady does like watching Dateline) in which the victim's wife (who was a Christian and apparently took Jesus's words seriously) not only forgave the woman who killed her husband; she would come visit her in prison and they actually did have some kind of relationship. Maybe we can see God at work in that.

Forgiving someone, does not mean you have to become their best friend or their life support.

It simply means that you let go of your unforgiveness, vs holding onto it.

its perfectly fine for the victim of a terrible crime, to expect "Justice shall be served" on the Criminal, the perpetrator.
The Criminal is not exonerated by our Forgiveness, and if the person is looking for vengeance, then their forgiveness is not true.
The family member who stole your bank account is not absolved of their crime by your Forgiveness, they are only forgiven by you.
You may choose to forgive and forget...... or you may choose to try to get your money back.

God will take the blood of Jesus and eternally forgive a serial killer who has killed 56 people, but they are still going to face the consequences down here for their sin, as that is "sowing and reaping" and this does not end, with the Risen Christ.
The Legal system , the court system, is still in effect, and is not negated by our forgiveness.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I saw a documentary on TV about some gruesome rape and murder of a child. In the end, the victim's mother said she forgave the murderer. I guess that means she let go of the anger that was destroying her from the inside and letting go of the urge to see the S.O.B. electrocuted through his testicles. It did NOT mean she wanted any kind of a relationship with that man.

Then there was another documentary (the Sweet Lady does like watching Dateline) in which the victim's wife (who was a Christian and apparently took Jesus's words seriously) not only forgave the woman who killed her husband; she would come visit her in prison and they actually did have some kind of relationship. Maybe we can see God at work in that.

That's pretty amazing. And yet, I wouldn't trust any of these people on the outside of a prison wall ...at least not without true repentance and being made new in Christ.

 

[Lambano]

And yet, I wouldn't trust any of these people on the outside of a prison wall .

Nor would I. Forgiveness doesn't mean being naïve. "Be wise as serpents, but innocent as doves", Jesus said. Keep your eyes wide open.