THE GOSPELS ARE NOT NEW TESTAMENT

[Josho]

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are not new testament gospels.

Hebrews 9:17 clearly states that the new testament did not take effect until the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. A testament is not in force while the testator is alive.

Jesus, in all the gospels, was alive during his earthly ministry. In all these gospels, it is still old testament. Jesus is still upholding the law. Jesus was not crucified, dead, buried, and risen, until the end of these gospels (Matthew 5:17 Matthew 19:17).

In the gospels, Jesus is ministering to Israel. Jesus, and the twelve Apostles, are preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. The gospel of the kingdom is that, the prophetic, Davidic, kingdom on earth, promised to Israel, was at hand (Matthew 4:23 Matthew 8:11 Luke 1:32).

In the gospels, Jesus would shed his blood to establish the new testament with Israel: therefore, it could be said, that the gospels are transitional, in that, Jesus brings in the change from old testament, to new.

I guess you can say many were living OT ways when Jesus came to earth, but you cannot say the Gospel books are not part of the New Testament.

The Gospel books are basically the focal point of the New Testament, there was a shift when Jesus walked the earth, He taught the people new ways that seemed foreign to the Jews and many of the Jews rejected Him as a result.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

The Gospels weren't written until after Jesus died, so testator had died. By the time the Gospels were written, the Christians were not following the law anymore.

The New Covenant isn’t based on when the Gospels were written — it’s based on when Jesus shed His blood and rose from the dead. He is the testator, the mediator, and the King — and His words before the Cross are just as binding as after. You’re repeating the Scofield lie that Christ’s words don’t apply to the Church, and in doing so, you’ve effectively removed the Head from the Body. That’s not Christianity — it’s dispensationalism dressed up as doctrine. If you’re exalting Paul while severing the authority of Jesus’ own teachings, you’ve lost the Gospel. You are not under grace — you are under deception. Repent before the Judge returns and asks why you taught people to ignore His voice.

 

[Doug]

I guess you can say many were living OT ways when Jesus came to earth, but you cannot say the Gospel books are not part of the New Testament.

The Gospel books are basically the focal point of the New Testament, there was a shift when Jesus walked the earth, He taught the people new ways that seemed foreign to the Jews and many of the Jews rejected Him as a result.

The four gospels center around the earthly ministry of Christ during which the law and the prophets were fulfilled concerning him. He taught about the coming prophetic kingdom on earth. Christ does not speak of the new testament until the passover meal

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Hebrews 9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John) are not new testament gospels.

Hebrews 9:17 clearly states that the new testament did not take effect until the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. A testament is not in force while the testator is alive.

Jesus, in all the gospels, was alive during his earthly ministry. In all these gospels, it is still old testament. Jesus is still upholding the law. Jesus was not crucified, dead, buried, and risen, until the end of these gospels (Matthew 5:17 Matthew 19:17).

In the gospels, Jesus is ministering to Israel. Jesus, and the twelve Apostles, are preaching the gospel of the kingdom to Israel. The gospel of the kingdom is that, the prophetic, Davidic, kingdom on earth, promised to Israel, was at hand (Matthew 4:23 Matthew 8:11 Luke 1:32).

In the gospels, Jesus would shed his blood to establish the new testament with Israel: therefore, it could be said, that the gospels are transitional, in that, Jesus brings in the change from old testament, to new.

So you're claiming the words of Jesus — the Son of God, King of the Jews, the Word made flesh — don't apply to believers because He hadn’t died yet? That’s not sound doctrine. That’s Scofield-era legalism dressed up as Bible teaching. Hebrews 9:16–17 explains the ratification of the New Covenant through His death — it does not mean everything Jesus said before His crucifixion was irrelevant. In fact, Jesus explicitly said:

"Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away." — Matthew 24:35

And He commanded His disciples:

"Teach them to obey everything I have commanded you." — Matthew 28:20

Your logic implies that the Sermon on the Mount, the parables, and the direct teachings of Jesus have no covenantal authority — which is heresy. You’ve built a blasphemous theology where Christ is nothing more than a transition figure, a placeholder until Paul shows up. That’s not Christianity. That’s Scofield’s footnotes replacing the Gospel of the Kingdom. If you’re preaching a gospel that dismisses the words of Jesus because of a legal technicality in Hebrews 9, then what you follow isn’t truth — it’s delusion. And that road leads to the gates of Hell.

 

[Josho]

The four gospels center around the earthly ministry of Christ during which the law and the prophets were fulfilled concerning him. He taught about the coming prophetic kingdom on earth. Christ does not speak of the new testament until the passover meal

The four gospels are a written account of Jesus Christ's life, including His ministry on earth, His prophetic word of what is to come, His cruxification, death and resurrection that we have a new way to Heaven through His grace.

All 4 books were completed after Jesus completed His work on the Cross. So therefore the 4 Gospel books are part of the New Testament, all the other books of the NT are built on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[David in NJ]

We have the completed scripture and can look back and see this is about Christ but Jews in the past would not know what this was speaking of

The Jews in Jesus day did know = READ Luke chapters 1 and 2 = the Jews KNEW the Messiah was born = as PROMISED by OT Prophets
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Now in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent by God to a city of Galilee named Nazareth, to a virgin betrothed to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David. The virgin’s name was Mary. And having come in, the angel said to her, “Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!”

But when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and considered what manner of greeting this was. Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”

And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God. Now indeed, Elizabeth your relative has also conceived a son in her old age; and this is now the sixth month for her who was called barren. For with God nothing will be impossible.”

The Jewish leaders of Jesus day did not want to give up the power and control of the Temple.

The Temple was the place of forgiveness and salvation for the Jewish people.

 

[Rockerduck]

The New Covenant isn’t based on when the Gospels were written — it’s based on when Jesus shed His blood and rose from the dead. He is the testator, the mediator, and the King — and His words before the Cross are just as binding as after. You’re repeating the Scofield lie that Christ’s words don’t apply to the Church, and in doing so, you’ve effectively removed the Head from the Body. That’s not Christianity — it’s dispensationalism dressed up as doctrine. If you’re exalting Paul while severing the authority of Jesus’ own teachings, you’ve lost the Gospel. You are not under grace — you are under deception. Repent before the Judge returns and asks why you taught people to ignore His voice.

Over and over and over you repeat Schofield, like anybody cares or will change. The bible is what I read and not another name beside Jesus shall enter it. Save your energy for the spreading of the gospel and not standing on a platform that does not exist.

 

[David in NJ]

There is nothing about the new testament or the new covenant in this post......you have to read into it to get there

Galatians 3:8-9
And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith,
preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, “In you all the nations shall be blessed.”
So then those who are of faith are blessed with believing Abraham.

John 8:56
Jesus answered, “If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God.
Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, ‘I do not know Him,’ I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”

Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Over and over and over you repeat Schofield, like anybody cares or will change. The bible is what I read and not another name beside Jesus shall enter it. Save your energy for the spreading of the gospel and not standing on a platform that does not exist.

You say “not another name beside Jesus shall enter it” — and yet you reject His own words.

You claim to follow the Bible, but deny the authority of the One who is the Word made flesh. That’s the contradiction.

I mention Scofield not for fun, but because you’re parroting his system — a system that says the Sermon on the Mount isn’t for the Church, that Jesus’ commands before the Cross don’t apply, and that Paul’s letters override the words of Christ. That’s not just false — it’s antichrist.

The New Covenant began with the shedding of Jesus’ blood — not with the Book of Acts, and not with Paul.
He is the Testator. His death activated the Covenant, but His teachings before the Cross define it. The disciples didn’t become apostles of a brand new message — they carried His message forward.

So no — I won’t stop calling out this theological cancer just because some people are too stubborn to change. I’ll stand on the platform of Christ’s authority — and expose every counterfeit that tries to dethrone Him.

If the voice of Jesus doesn’t anchor your doctrine, then your theology is a house of cards — and judgment is the wind.

 

[Rockerduck]

You say “not another name beside Jesus shall enter it” — and yet you reject His own words.

You claim to follow the Bible, but deny the authority of the One who is the Word made flesh. That’s the contradiction.

I mention Scofield not for fun, but because you’re parroting his system — a system that says the Sermon on the Mount isn’t for the Church, that Jesus’ commands before the Cross don’t apply, and that Paul’s letters override the words of Christ. That’s not just false — it’s antichrist.

The New Covenant began with the shedding of Jesus’ blood — not with the Book of Acts, and not with Paul.
He is the Testator. His death activated the Covenant, but His teachings before the Cross define it. The disciples didn’t become apostles of a brand new message — they carried His message forward.

So no — I won’t stop calling out this theological cancer just because some people are too stubborn to change. I’ll stand on the platform of Christ’s authority — and expose every counterfeit that tries to dethrone Him.

If the voice of Jesus doesn’t anchor your doctrine, then your theology is a house of cards — and judgment is the wind.

That soap box you are on, does not exist.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

That soap box you are on, does not exist.

You say my soapbox doesn’t exist — but it was built by the One you claim to follow.

“He who hears My words and does not do them is like a man who built his house on the sand... and great was the fall of it.” — Luke 6:49

The only “platform” that matters is the authority of Jesus Christ, and your theology saws the legs off of it while pretending to defend Him. You don’t get to name His Name while silencing His voice. If your gospel can’t survive the red letters, it isn’t the Gospel.

The apostles didn’t preach a new message — they preached the same Kingdom their Rabbi declared. You’ve let Scofield hijack your Bible and hand you a theology where Christ is demoted to a transitional figure. That’s not correction — that’s corruption.

If standing on the words of Jesus is just a “soapbox” to you, then you're already standing on sand — and the storm is coming.

 

[Doug]

So you're claiming the words of Jesus — the Son of God, King of the Jews, the Word made flesh — don't apply to believers because He hadn’t died yet?

His words are for our learning but we are not being offered the kingdom; it was being offered to Israel
The new testament could not be in force until his death.
Jews were cleansed of sin in the old testament based on the future death and blood of Jesus

 

[Doug]

"Teach them to obey everything I have commanded you." — Matthew 28:20

This will be fulfilled in the millennial kingdom ....they will teach the Gentile nations that enter the kingdom

 

[Doug]

The Jews in Jesus day did know =

I was talking about Jews early in the old testament

 

[complete]

'Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently,
who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time
the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ,
and the glory that should follow.
Unto whom it was revealed,
that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister
the things, which are now reported unto you
by them that have preached the gospel unto you
with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven;
which things the angels desire to look into.'
(1Pet. 1:10-12)

 

[Dash RipRock]

John preached the kingdom was at hand

Yes, and he did NOT teach the old covenant or the Law of Moses as that had ceased since Jesus brought a NEW Covenant

Hebrews 10:9 - Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. (God said He would make a New Covenant - see Jeremiah 31:31-34)

And Jesus is the new High Priest replacing Moses

Hebrews 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham

And just like with Abraham, being justified by faith requires one to act as though what they believe is actually true.

Unlike in modern times we see people claiming to be Christians living as sinners just like those in the world that have not been born again

 

[David in NJ]

I was talking about Jews early in the old testament

Same Jews in Jesus day = Read Hebrews chapter 11

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
For by it the elders (Jews early in the OT) obtained a good testimony.

By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible.

By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he dwelt in the land of promise as in a foreign country, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise; or he waited for the city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is God.

By faith Sarah herself also received strength to conceive seed, and she bore a child when she was past the age, because she judged Him faithful who had promised. Therefore from one man, and him as good as dead, were born as many as the stars of the sky in multitude—innumerable as the sand which is by the seashore.

 

[Dash RipRock]

The Jews in Jesus day did know = READ Luke chapters 1 and 2 = the Jews KNEW the Messiah was born = as PROMISED by OT Prophets

None the less the majority of them did not actually believe or accept Jesus

That soap box you are on, does not exist.

His soap box is hatred for the Jews

It's ALL he ever talks about.

 

[Dash RipRock]

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
For by it the elders (Jews early in the OT) obtained a good testimony.

Yeah, back under the old covenant during times they were not in rebellion against the Lord.

In the New Testament, not so much

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

His words are for our learning but we are not being offered the kingdom; it was being offered to Israel
The new testament could not be in force until his death.
Jews were cleansed of sin in the old testament based on the future death and blood of Jesus

This will be fulfilled in the millennial kingdom ....they will teach the Gentile nations that enter the kingdom

So let me get this straight:
You’re claiming the words of Jesus — the Son of God, the King of the Jews, the Word made flesh — don’t apply to believers because He hadn’t died yet?

That’s not sound doctrine.
That’s Scofield-fueled delusion.
You say, “The kingdom was being offered to Israel.”

Here’s the problem:

You don’t even know who or what Israel is.
I’d testify to that in a court of law.
And if there were a lie detector wired to an electric chair, I’d volunteer to sit in it — just to declare the truth that you have no clue what Israel actually is… and I’d walk away without a single shock.

You’ve been so thoroughly brainwashed by dispensationalist fantasy that nearly every time the word “Israel” appears in the New Testament, you have no idea who Jesus or the apostles are talking about.

You’ve built your entire eschatology on a lie — propping up a Christ-rejecting nation, clinging to a 2,000-year-old corpse of a covenant God already fulfilled, while trampling the blood of the New.

The true Israel of God has never been a flag or a border — it’s always been the remnant who believe.

Galatians 3:28–29
“There is neither Jew nor Greek... for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.”

^ This obliterates the myth that ethnic Jews are automatically heirs to God’s promises.
→ The true heirs are those in Christ — period. No dual covenant. No ethnic loophole.

Romans 9:6–8
“They are not all Israel who are descended from Israel...
That is, those who are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God;
but the children of the promise are counted as the seed.”

^ This drives the dagger straight into the heart of ethnic presumption.
Being Jewish by blood means nothing without faith — that’s Paul’s entire point.

And let’s not kid ourselves and talk about the 70 ton elephant in the room while we're here.
You know, the one draped in a blue-and-white flag, stomping around the Middle East claiming to be “God’s chosen” while rejecting His Son.

The one propped up by U.N. tanks, Rothschild cash, and a Scofield Bible in every evangelical pew.
Yeah… that elephant.

Benjamin Netanyahu — born Ben Mileikowsky — is a white Eastern European.
A bonafide Gentile convert — not a "descendant of Abraham".
And neither are 95% of today’s False Israel™ population — mostly Gentile converts from Khazaria, Russia, and Eastern Europe, not "descendants of Abraham".

They are not the seed of Moses, Aaron, or David.
They are the sons & daughters of conversion, not covenant.
Their ancestors didn’t adopt Talmudic Judaism until 740 A.D., under King Bulan of Khazaria — a forced conversion, political move, not a divine calling.

The elites know this.
The Vatican knows it.
The Muslim world definitely knows it.

And yet, a nation of Scofield-fed evangelicals continues to bow before this golden calf, chanting “God’s chosen!” while they trample the Cross and ignore the Body of Christ — the true Israel of God.

The veil here isn’t just thick — it’s suffocating.

And here’s the non-negotiable truth of the Gospel:
Even if Netanyahu could produce a perfect DNA scroll tracing his bloodline to Abraham himself…
It wouldn’t matter.

Without Christ — he’s lost.

“I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” — John 14:6

That includes kings, rabbis, priests, prophets — and prime ministers.
And let’s not forget the army of Eastern Europeans and Russians who somehow “discovered” they’re direct descendants of King David — right around the time Zionism needed a bloodline.
Spoiler: they’re about as Hebrew as a potato.

If the satanic elite hadn’t hijacked prophecy and violently annexed Palestine in 1948 — installing False Israel™ with U.N. tanks and Rothschild money — you wouldn’t even be preaching this theological abomination.
You’d still be confessing what every faithful Christian knew for 1,800 years:
That the Body of Christ is Israel.
And always was.

“For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.” — Philippians 3:3

“You are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation...” — 1 Peter 2:9

Imagine the saints in 1954 — faithful Christians on their deathbeds after 80 years of serving Christ — suddenly hearing:

“The real Israel isn’t the Church after all. It’s a new secular state in the Middle East!”

You can picture their response:

“What in God’s name are these people talking about?!"
"Who are these demons behind the pulpit on my television?"
"The Church is Israel. The Body of Christ is Israel."
"This isn’t prophecy — this is blasphemy in broad daylight.
God help us all!”

And they were right.
And you — and every dispensationalist clinging to Scofield’s fraud — are dead wrong.

Scofield didn’t teach revelation.
He taught replacement theology in reverse — replacing the Church with a Christless state and calling it prophecy.

“Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist — denying the Father and the Son.” — 1 John 2:22

You’ve bought it wholesale.
Not realizing the system you defend is the beast’s counterfeit kingdom — not Christ’s.

If the words of Jesus don’t define Israel for you — neither does God.
“This is My beloved Son... listen to Him.” — Matthew 17:5
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly... but inwardly.” — Romans 2:28–29
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29

You’re not defending truth.
You’re defending an idol in the desert.

And when the true King returns, He’s not coming to sit in Tel Aviv.
He’s coming to judge the nations — and He’s starting with those who lied in His name.

You still want a third temple because you don’t know who Israel is.
You think God’s covenant is with a nation built by U.N. fiat and global bankers — not with the Body of Christ.
You’ve rejected the true Temple — Jesus — and now you’re trying to rebuild the very house He left desolate.

You’re not waiting on prophecy.
You’re resurrecting rebellion.

The only reason dispensationalists crave stone and blood sacrifices is because they’ve never understood the Cross.
They don’t realize that we — the Body of Christ — are the temple.

“Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?” — 1 Corinthians 3:16
“Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone.” — Ephesians 2:20

You’re not lifting up God.
You’re defending a man-made idol — propped up by unbelief and nationalism.

You now bow to a political state filled with people whose ancestors didn’t follow God — but converted under Khazarian rule and built their religion not on the Torah… but on the Satanic, Anti-Christ, Talmud.

And being as tricked and deceived as humanly possible, you call these European identity thieves "Biblical, ethnic Jews" — while mocking the Body of Christ, the very people Jesus died to redeem. They must laugh themselves to sleep — watching evangelicals fund their empire, defend their rebellion, and quote Scofield like it’s scripture.

You’ve been duped.
And worse — you’re proud of it.

When the King returns,
He’s not coming to dedicate your idol.
He’s coming to tear it down — again.

Jesus never told His followers to rebuild the temple.
He told them they were the temple.

So if you're rebuilding what He destroyed,
You're not serving God.
You're rebuilding rebellion.

Repent..