IS THE RAPTURE BEFORE THE TRIBULATION?

[rebuilder 454]

Oh, I see how this works:
You take a verse from Revelation — chapter 14 — rip it from context, assign it a meaning Paul never gave it, claim it's not the Second Coming or the rapture, and then scream "gotcha" like a playground prophet?

No. We're done playing your Scofield shell game.

You’re not right.
You’re not deep.
You’re not biblical.
You're just parroting a jigsaw puzzle theology taped together with prophecy charts and fear-mongering fiction.

Let’s set the record straight:

Your Scofield Starting Point Is the Real Problem.

Your theology doesn’t start with Jesus.
It starts with Zionism, timelines, and a fantasy about two peoples of God.
You read the Bible like a conspiracy theorist with a red string board labeled “God’s Plan for Israel” — and Jesus is just a footnote.

But Paul doesn’t start there.
Jesus doesn’t start there.
The Gospel doesn’t start there.
It starts with the Cross.
And everything — and I mean everything — must pass through it. Bloodlines, covenants, temples, promises — all bow to the King who bled and rose.

Hebrews 9:28 still says what you pretend it doesn’t:

“Christ… will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.”

Second time.
Not second-a and second-b.
Not “rapture-lite” followed by “actual coming.”
Just one return — and it’s not divided between “Bride” and “Elect.”
There is one people of God: those in Christ.

Let’s talk about your biggest mistake:

“You start with hatred of the Jews.”

Wrong.

How could I hate Jews…
…when I follow the King of the Jews?
When I’m grafted into the true olive tree by His blood?
When I know what the Bible says — that followers of Christ ARE the real Jews?

“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but he is a Jew who is one inwardly.” — Romans 2:28–29

You want to talk about “hatred of Jews”?

Then let’s talk about who Paul says the real Jews are:

Not those with the bloodline.
Not those waving a flag.
Not those quoting the Talmud.
But those whose hearts have been circumcised by the Spirit — those who belong to Jesus Christ.

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29

So let’s be brutally honest:

You’re defending false Jews.

You’re glorifying a nation in unbelief.
You’re lifting up a people who reject the King of the Jews and despise His Cross.

That’s not honoring Israel.
That’s siding with the synagogue of Satan.

“They say they are Jews and are not, but lie — and are a synagogue of Satan.” — Revelation 2:9

What we hate is not Israel.
We hate a lie that dares hand out covenant status to those who have rejected the Covenant-Maker.

We hate a theology that tramples the Cross, bypasses Jesus, and turns unbelief into a prophetic virtue.

We hate the Scofield scam that teaches there are two peoples of God — one saved by blood, the other by faith — when Scripture says there’s only one name under Heaven by which we must be saved.

We don’t hate "Jews".

We hate false doctrine.

We hate the spiritual apartheid that says Gentile believers are second-class citizens while a Christ-rejecting nation is supposedly “chosen.”

We hate that the very people of God — the Body of Christ — are slandered while unbelieving Israel is exalted as if Jesus never came.

No — we don’t hate Jews.

We are the Jews.
The true, spiritual seed.
The remnant called out by grace.
The New Covenant sons and daughters of Abraham.
The ones washed in the blood of the Lamb.

“They are not all Israel who are of Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“The children of the promise are counted as the seed.” — Romans 9:8

You’re not defending Israel.
You’re defending unbelief in a yarmulke and calling it “God’s plan.”

Repent.
And stop trying to resurrect a covenant God already fulfilled in Christ 2,000 years ago.


Not to even mention...

The false Jews you protect are Ashkenazi impostors —
White Russians, white Khazars, white Slavs and other Eastern Europeans —
pale-skinned, descendants of a warlord king named Bulan,
who forcibly converted his entire empire to Judaism in the 8th century at the tip of a spear.

These people were nowhere near the Holy Land.
Their ancestors were not under Moses.
They never saw Sinai.
They never heard the prophets.
They were worshiping pagan idols in the Caucasus mountains while Christ was being crucified.

And yet today — through a millennia of lies,
Rothschild blood-money,
U.N. tanks,
Scofield Bible delusion (since 1909),
and Talmudic manipulation —
they march around the globe declaring:

“We are God’s chosen.”

Are you out of your mind?

They are not ethnic Jews.
They are not Biblical Israelites.
They have zero genealogical link to Abraham, Moses, or David.
They are Khazarian converts —
spiritual squatters in stolen robes.

They are the FALSE JEWS of Revelations..
They don't follow Christ so according to Paul, they're not Jews..
They didn't convert to Judaism until 740AD so obviously they're NOT "ethnic, Biblical Jews" either.

Wake up.

Netanyahu, Jerry Seinfeld, Barbra Streisand, and Rob “Meathead” Reiner are about as related to King David and Abraham
as Mao Zedong is to the twelve tribes of Israel.

They don’t carry the faith of Abraham.
They don’t follow the Son of David.
And they don’t belong to the covenant cut by Christ’s blood.

So stop calling them “God’s chosen”
when they reject the very God who chose.

There’s ignorance.
There’s confusion.
There’s cult-level brainwashing.
And then...
There’s Scofield Dispensationalism —
the theological black hole where truth goes to die.

Beyond lost doesn't even begin to explain them..

All that rabbit trail wasted energy.
The challenge is to unpack Rev 14:14.

Instead of taking a calm sane approach you go into wild attack mode

I get a chuckle out of the corner you guys painted yourself into.

It's like I challenge you about a clutch in a 5 speed truck and you go bizerk over it.
Wow
See that where men put you in doctrine.
Your teachers never schooled a single follower of your "poorly thought out doctrine's" omissions.

That is why I can make simple challenges and you freak out.

You can not debate real Bible components.

So you unscrew your special "Scofield hatch" and flee the real world.
Enter rants that prove your deficiency of debating the bible.
Scoff fielder rants.
Oh the irony

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

All that rabbit trail wasted energy.
The challenge is to unpack Rev 14:14.

Instead of taking a calm sane approach you go into wild attack mode

I get a chuckle out of the corner you guys painted yourself into.

It's like I challenge you about a clutch in a 5 speed truck and you go bizerk over it.
Wow
See that where men put you in doctrine.
Your teachers never schooled a single follower of your "poorly thought out doctrine's" omissions.

That is why I can make simple challenges and you freak out.

You can not debate real Bible components.

So you unscrew your special "Scofield hatch" and flee the real world.
Enter rants that prove your deficiency of debating the bible.
Scoff fielder rants.
Oh the irony

Right — I press on your false foundation and suddenly I'm the one "freaking out"? Classic deflection.

Let me be clear: I didn’t “go wild.” I exposed the roots of a doctrine so hollow, it needs Scofield footnotes and Zionist funding just to stand. You want to talk about “Rev 14:14”? Sure. But not before we tear down the scaffolding of deception you've built around it.

Because what you’re really doing — and everyone sees it — is dodging the bigger point:

You don’t start with Jesus.
You don’t start with the Cross.
You start with Darby’s red-string prophecy map, Scofield’s annotated Bible, and the idea that somehow there are two peoples of God running on two separate tracks of salvation.

That’s not Christianity. That’s cultic fiction.

You say I “can’t debate real Bible components”? Then let’s go there.

The real Bible says:

“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all.” — Romans 10:12
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but he is a Jew who is one inwardly.” — Romans 2:28–29
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
“They are not all Israel who are of Israel… it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God.” — Romans 9:6–8
“He has made the two one… by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments.” — Ephesians 2:14–15
“There is one body and one Spirit… one Lord, one faith, one baptism.” — Ephesians 4:4–5

Your system can’t hold that weight. That’s why you panic when someone says there’s no future for ethnic Israel outside of Christ. Because that topples your prophecy charts, postponement theories, two-covenant myths, and rapture escapism.

You say I “can’t unpack Revelation 14:14”? The irony is — you’re trying to interpret Revelation without passing it through the Cross first.
Hebrews 9:28 says plainly:

“Christ… will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.”
One return. Not two. Not one for Gentiles and another for Jews.
Not secret, then visible. Not “rapture now, kingdom later.”

You can’t escape that. So instead, you throw shade, call it “ranting,” and act like you’ve won something because I call Scofield what he was: a tool of theological sabotage.

Your house is built on Scofield’s notes, not Christ’s blood.
And when someone slams the table, your shell game collapses.

You think this is about tone?
I’m not here to make Scofield’s disciples comfortable.
I’m here to call them to repentance — before they stand before the very King they’ve demoted to footnote status in their own theology.

And one more thing — about those you're defending:
“They say they are Jews and are not, but lie — and are a synagogue of Satan.” — Revelation 2:9

You can mock. You can scoff. You can chuckle.
But the Word still stands.

The Gospel doesn’t bend for your doctrine.
It shatters it.

Repent.
Come back to the Cross.
Or keep clinging to Scofield while the true Church walks on without you.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Right — I press on your false foundation and suddenly I'm the one "freaking out"? Classic deflection.

Let me be clear: I didn’t “go wild.” I exposed the roots of a doctrine so hollow, it needs Scofield footnotes and Zionist funding just to stand. You want to talk about “Rev 14:14”? Sure. But not before we tear down the scaffolding of deception you've built around it.

Because what you’re really doing — and everyone sees it — is dodging the bigger point:

You don’t start with Jesus.
You don’t start with the Cross.
You start with Darby’s red-string prophecy map, Scofield’s annotated Bible, and the idea that somehow there are two peoples of God running on two separate tracks of salvation.

That’s not Christianity. That’s cultic fiction.

You say I “can’t debate real Bible components”? Then let’s go there.

The real Bible says:

“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all.” — Romans 10:12
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but he is a Jew who is one inwardly.” — Romans 2:28–29
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
“They are not all Israel who are of Israel… it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God.” — Romans 9:6–8
“He has made the two one… by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments.” — Ephesians 2:14–15
“There is one body and one Spirit… one Lord, one faith, one baptism.” — Ephesians 4:4–5

Your system can’t hold that weight. That’s why you panic when someone says there’s no future for ethnic Israel outside of Christ. Because that topples your prophecy charts, postponement theories, two-covenant myths, and rapture escapism.

You say I “can’t unpack Revelation 14:14”? The irony is — you’re trying to interpret Revelation without passing it through the Cross first.
Hebrews 9:28 says plainly:

“Christ… will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for Him.”
One return. Not two. Not one for Gentiles and another for Jews.
Not secret, then visible. Not “rapture now, kingdom later.”

You can’t escape that. So instead, you throw shade, call it “ranting,” and act like you’ve won something because I call Scofield what he was: a tool of theological sabotage.

Your house is built on Scofield’s notes, not Christ’s blood.
And when someone slams the table, your shell game collapses.

You think this is about tone?
I’m not here to make Scofield’s disciples comfortable.
I’m here to call them to repentance — before they stand before the very King they’ve demoted to footnote status in their own theology.

And one more thing — about those you're defending:
“They say they are Jews and are not, but lie — and are a synagogue of Satan.” — Revelation 2:9

You can mock. You can scoff. You can chuckle.
But the Word still stands.

The Gospel doesn’t bend for your doctrine.
It shatters it.

Repent.
Come back to the Cross.
Or keep clinging to Scofield while the true Church walks on without you.

Well the challenge to you or any postrib is to unpack Rev 14:14.
You still have not interpreted it.
(but bless your heart you half heartedly tried 3 or 4 times)

But since you haven't looked at the verses supporting the Jewish harvest, i guess we can just see it as it is.( doctrinal postrib talking points indoctrination).

A "Scofield shout out band aid" out does that Ole Bible in your world.

You can't unpack it, because in examining the apple tree, you say there is no such thing as apples.

So if your doctrine gets taken to the woodshed, just say "Scofield" 12 times, and that means, in your mind, it goes away!!!
We shall call the spirit: ""the "scoff field" legion.""
Those possessed sneeze a lot.
It goes
Ahhhhh
Ahhhhhh
Ahhhhhhh
Ahhhhhhhh
Ahhhhhhh.....scofffff.....ffielllllld!!!!!!!!
Scofield sneeze spirit.

Good news.
Truth delivers every time!!!!!!!
The cure!!!!!!

Try and post anything without your Scofield crutches.
Try, and you will see a difference.
You will feel so much better without that spirit.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Well the challenge to you or any postrib is to unpack Rev 14:14.
You still have not interpreted it.
(but bless your heart you half heartedly tried 3 or 4 times)

But since you haven't looked at the verses supporting the Jewish harvest, i guess we can just see it as it is.( doctrinal postrib talking points indoctrination).

A "Scofield shout out band aid" out does that Ole Bible in your world.

You can't unpack it, because in examining the apple tree, you say there is no such thing as apples.

So if your doctrine gets taken to the woodshed, just say "Scofield" 12 times, and that means, in your mind, it goes away!!!
We shall call the spirit: ""the "scoff field" legion.""
Those possessed sneeze a lot.
It goes
Ahhhhh
Ahhhhhh
Ahhhhhhh
Ahhhhhhhh
Ahhhhhhh.....scofffff.....ffielllllld!!!!!!!!
Scofield sneeze spirit.

Good news.
Truth delivers every time!!!!!!!
The cure!!!!!!

Try and post anything without your Scofield crutches.
Try, and you will see a difference.
You will feel so much better without that spirit.

You can joke about “Scofield spirits” all you want — but it’s your theology that’s allergic to the Cross. You’re laughing because the foundation is crumbling under your feet, and you know it.

Let’s talk Revelation 14:14. You’re clinging to a single apocalyptic image — ripped out of context — while ignoring the entire covenantal frame Christ already established.

“Then I looked, and behold, a white cloud, and seated on the cloud one like a son of man, with a golden crown on his head, and a sharp sickle in his hand.” — Revelation 14:14

Guess what?

That’s Jesus — not your Scofield-style reaper for national Israel, but the King of the New Covenant, crowned and ready to gather His own.

This isn’t some “Jewish harvest” fantasy you pulled from Clarence Larkin’s prophecy coloring book. This is Matthew 13 in full bloom:

“The harvest is the end of the age, and the reapers are angels... The Son of Man will send His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all causes of sin and all law-breakers.” — Matthew 13:39–41

Not two harvests. Not Jewish and Gentile crops. One field. One Kingdom. One Christ.
But your system can’t handle that. You need dual timelines. Need two peoples. Need that Scofield sneeze — because without it, your entire theology turns to dust.

And it is dust.

“He has made the two one.” — Ephesians 2:14
“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek.” — Romans 10:12
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29

Those verses don’t just “challenge” your position — they obliterate it.
Your two-track gospel isn’t biblical. It’s blasphemous.

You think I “can’t interpret Rev 14:14”? I just did — but you won’t accept it unless it’s filtered through Scofield’s margins and Darby’s delusion.

You’re not defending Jesus. You’re defending a timeline.
A timeline that demotes the Cross, sidelines the Church, and resurrects a covenant God fulfilled 2,000 years ago.

Let me make this plain:

Jesus doesn’t return to reboot the Mosaic Law.

He doesn’t gather people based on DNA.

He doesn’t reinstitute animal sacrifices, a third temple, or a land-based theocracy.

“Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.” — Romans 10:4
You don’t need a rebuilt temple.
You need repentance.

And as for Revelation 2:9?

“They say they are Jews and are not, but lie — and are a synagogue of Satan.”

I didn’t write it.
But I will stand on it.

You can keep sneezing out “Scoff-field” if that’s all you’ve got.
But I’ll keep preaching Christ — the only harvest that matters, the only return that’s coming, and the only covenant that still stands.

Choose your foundation:

Christ’s blood.
Or Scofield’s notes.

Only one will survive the fire.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Yes,there's a Rapture. And then the Great Tribulation descends on those left behind.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 being key.
Matthew 24:40-41 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Yes,there's a Rapture. And then the Great Tribulation descends on those left behind.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 being key.
Matthew 24:40-41 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52.

Not a single one of the verses you just cited teaches a secret pre-trib rapture.

1 Thessalonians 4:13–18 describes the return of Christ, not a secret pre-tribulation rapture. The passage is loud, visible, and climactic—featuring a shout, an archangel, and the trumpet of God. There is no mention of a seven-year gap or a two-stage coming. Matthew 24:40–41 refers to judgment, not rescue—the ones “taken” are removed in wrath, just as in the days of Noah. And 1 Corinthians 15:51–52 says plainly that the resurrection and transformation happen “at the last trumpet,” not before a tribulation period. Nowhere in Scripture does it say Christ comes back twice. One return. One resurrection. One judgment. The Church is not raptured to escape tribulation—it is called to endure and overcome it.

They Didn’t Even Believe It Themselves. But You Had To.

“Yes, there’s a Rapture… and then the Great Tribulation descends on those left behind.”
That’s the line they sold you.
1 Thessalonians 4:13–18.
Matthew 24:40–41.
1 Corinthians 15:51–52.

Scripture twisted into a movie script.
A Hollywood fairy tale, hijacked from its original context and weaponized by men who didn’t even believe their own con.

Because they didn’t need to believe it — you did.

They needed you to believe the Church was suddenly going to vanish so they could remake the Middle East in their image.
So they could claim the land — Palestine, the Holy Land — and rename it "Israel" in 1948…
But its true full name on the 1947 UN Resolution was: “The Partition Plan for Palestine.”
Not Israel.
Not fulfillment.
Not prophecy.
Just theft.
Branded as divine right.
Sanitized for evangelical consumption.
And if the Christians of 1948 had thought like the Christians of 400 A.D. — or 1000 A.D. — or even the Puritans of 1690…
They would’ve sent armies to defend the Holy Land - to keep this Rothschild, Zionist abomination from ever happening.

But they didn’t.
Because they’d already been disarmed.
Spiritually lobotomized by Scofield’s Bible — funded by Zionists, printed by the Oxford Press, distributed like candy across the English-speaking world.

Free Bibles — at a cost.
Because the deal was simple:
“If the Church thinks it’s gone,
it won’t fight what’s coming.”

The Rapture lie wasn’t about escape — it was about silence.
Silence in the face of a Satanic annexation.
Silence as the Rothschilds, the British crown, the U.N., and the Synagogue of Satan carved up Palestine like a sacrifice —
and rebuilt an Israel without Christ.

That’s the great lie.
Not that Jesus is returning — He is.
But that He paused the Gospel.
That He deferred His Kingdom.
That the Cross wasn’t enough, and now we’re all just waiting around for some other people, some other bloodline, to finish the story.

It’s a lie.
A theological bait-and-switch.
A Zionist psyop in holy robes.

And they needed you to swallow it —
So they could build their false kingdom,
Unopposed.
Undetected.

While Christians stared at the sky waiting to disappear —
Jerusalem was handed over to Satan.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes,there's a Rapture. And then the Great Tribulation descends on those left behind.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 being key.
Matthew 24:40-41 and 1 Corinthians 15:51-52.

And then the Great Tribulation descends on those left behind.

Where is this stated in the Bible???

You stated that 1 Thess 4:13-18 "is key"

i AGREE with you 100% that 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is KEY so please point to those verse(s) that declare what you stated:

And then the Great Tribulation descends on those left behind.

Thank You and Blessings from the Lord Jesus Christ be upon you and your family.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Where is this stated in the Bible???

You stated that 1 Thess 4:13-18 "is key"

i AGREE with you 100% that 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 is KEY so please point to those verse(s) that declare what you stated:


Thank You and Blessings from the Lord Jesus Christ be upon you and your family.

Believers Who Have Died​

1 Thessalonians 4

13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

 

[David in NJ]

Believers Who Have Died​

1 Thessalonians 4

13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14 For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

GREAT - THANK YOU

Who is "left-behind" in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

GREAT - THANK YOU

Who is "left-behind" in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

That's in Luke 17
30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” [36] [e]

37 “Where, Lord?” they asked.

He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Actually, no one is “left behind” in 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18. That passage isn’t about a secret pre-trib rapture — it’s about the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the Second Coming of Jesus. It’s loud, visible, and final. The Lord descends with a shout, the voice of an archangel, and the trumpet of God — not exactly a quiet escape plan.

The dead rise first, then the living believers are caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. That’s not a disappearance — that’s a homecoming. Paul isn’t even talking about unbelievers in this passage.

If you’re looking for “left behind” language, go to Matthew 24 — and guess what? It’s the wicked who are taken in judgment, just like in the days of Noah. The whole “left behind” narrative is a 20th-century invention — not biblical doctrine.

 

[David in NJ]

That's in Luke 17
30 “It will be just like this on the day the Son of Man is revealed. 31 On that day no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” [36] [e]

37 “Where, Lord?” they asked.

He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”

YEP - Luke does show this exactly as you stated - Thank you

But who exactly is "left-behind?

Any christians that are "left-behind"?

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

YEP - Luke does show this exactly as you stated - Thank you

But who exactly is "left-behind?

Any christians that are "left-behind"?

Not real ones,no.

Nominal ones,yes.

 

[David in NJ]

Not real ones,no.

Nominal ones,yes.

i think we are on the same page here but just to make sure,
please explain the difference between "real ones" and "nominal ones"

Thank You

 

[David in NJ]

Actually, no one is “left behind” in 1 Thessalonians 4:13–18. That passage isn’t about a secret pre-trib rapture — it’s about the resurrection of the dead in Christ and the Second Coming of Jesus. It’s loud, visible, and final. The Lord descends with a shout, the voice of an archangel, and the trumpet of God — not exactly a quiet escape plan.

The dead rise first, then the living believers are caught up together with them to meet the Lord in the air. That’s not a disappearance — that’s a homecoming. Paul isn’t even talking about unbelievers in this passage.

If you’re looking for “left behind” language, go to Matthew 24 — and guess what? It’s the wicked who are taken in judgment, just like in the days of Noah. The whole “left behind” narrative is a 20th-century invention — not biblical doctrine.

You agreed with @Sister-n-Christ Post #330 = which is GOOD, for it is TRUTH

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

i think we are on the same page here but just to make sure,
please explain the difference between "real ones" and "nominal ones"

Thank You

Real ones=born again,indwelt, with our names in the Lambs Book of Life.

Nominal ones = *points up* not that.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

This Isn’t the Bible — It’s 20th Century Propaganda Disguised as Prophecy.

 

[David in NJ]

Real ones=born again,indwelt, with our names in the Lambs Book of Life.

Nominal ones = *points up* not that.

Therefore anyone whose name is not found in the Lamb's Book of Life will not be part of the First Resurrection and Rapture.

YES or NO

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

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[David in NJ]

Real ones=born again,indwelt, with our names in the Lambs Book of Life.

Nominal ones = *points up* not that.

My @Sister-n-Christ

Therefore anyone whose name is not found in the Lamb's Book of Life will not be part of the First Resurrection and Rapture.

Yes or No