Not by faith alone just like Scripture says. You can't just ignore the stuff you don't like.
the Catholic Church teaches. . .
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Dan Clarkston
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That's reading in to scripture something it doesn't say.
Mary has ZERO to do with salvation... and the bigger question is WHY don't catholics have a direct relationship with the Father for themselves praying directly to the Father (God, not one of your catholic dudes in a collar) in Jesus' Name as Jesus instructed His followers to do??? (John 16:23)
Ya'll are obviously scared to talk to the Father and go around trying to contact dead people thru necromancy to see if they can pray for you and talk to the Father in your behalf since you don't know Him personally.
You should get hookup with the Father directly thru Jesus Christ!
I don't sit under false doctrine, but thank you for thinking of me!
Legends in your own minds!
Dan Clarkston
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Show me where Jesus and His Apostles taught anybody to pray to mary, or to use witchcraft to contact the dead
I masked that before and you cannot answer the question other than to see you guys think it's OK to use extra biblical writings and treat them as though they are inspired of God when they clearly are not seeing they contradict the Bible.
Who says we DON'T??????? We pray to (actually through) Mary, asking her to intercede for us, In Jesus' name IN ADDITION TO praying to the Father in Jesus' name.
See above response.
We do.
Wow. Talk about being afraid to learn something that just might be to your benefit.
Nope.
Well yeah there is the repentance part too, Acts 3:19. And we are called to love God and love thy neighbour.
I am not sure where the love thy neighbour or the grace is in this thread.
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There's just too much Catholicism bashing from some Protestants sometimes and it saddens me, when we are all meant to stand for Jesus, we are meant to be brothers and sisters in Christ. Where is the love?
Matthew 24:36-40
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Dan Clarkston
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The reason real Christians are trying to help catholics escape from false doctrine is BECAUSE we love our neighbor
Please go back to page 1, post # 2 of this thread which explicitly states: ***Do not state or imply that another member or group of members who have identified themselves as Christian are not Christians.
Catholics identify as Christians. Show some respect.
Dan Clarkston
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I said "escape from false doctrine"....
Catholics tell non-catholics they are following false doctrine
You said, "The reason why REAL Christians are trying to help Catholics..." implying that Catholics aren't Christian.
So? Catholics aren't telling non-Catholics that they're non-Christians, even if they ARE following false doctrine.
We don't give the Catholics enough credit, Jonathan Roumie is a Catholic, look at how far and wide his has spread the Gospel with "The Chosen" series. 
Brakelite
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I cannot view an actual mention of Sola scriptura, as you well know it you wouldn't have brought it up, except perhaps the verse at the end of this post.
But I can mention an incident in scripture where Jesus Himself used Sola scriptura when there was plenty of other evidence He could have cited.
First, to the parable of the rich man and Lazarus. In this parable, Jesus could have had Abraham appeal to any number of sources to defend his theology, but Jesus had Abraham appeal only to Moses and the prophets. He even denied the legitimacy of appealing to the dead.
“26 And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. 27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. 29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. ”
Luke 16:26-31 KJV
Secondly, the incident where Jesus Himself... Well, let's allow Jesus to explain... If your eyes are open, you'll understand.
“13 And, behold, two of them went that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was from Jerusalem about threescore furlongs. 14 And they talked together of all these things which had happened. 15 And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them. 16 But their eyes were holden that they should not know him. 17 And he said unto them, What manner of communications are these that ye have one to another, as ye walk, and are sad? 18 And the one of them, whose name was Cleopas, answering said unto him, Art thou only a stranger in Jerusalem, and hast not known the things which are come to pass there in these days? 19 And he said unto them, What things? And they said unto him, Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, which was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people: 20 And how the chief priests and our rulers delivered him to be condemned to death, and have crucified him. 21 But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done. 22 Yea, and certain women also of our company made us astonished, which were early at the sepulchre; 23 And when they found not his body, they came, saying, that they had also seen a vision of angels, which said that he was alive. 24 And certain of them which were with us went to the sepulchre, and found it even so as the women had said: but him they saw not. 25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken: 26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? 27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself. 28 And they drew nigh unto the village, whither they went: and he made as though he would have gone further. 29 But they constrained him, saying, Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. And he went in to tarry with them. 30 And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them. 31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight. 32 And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while he talked with us by the way, and while he opened to us the scriptures? ”
Luke 24:13-32 KJV
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Why did Jesus speak to scripture in order to explain recent history... After all, there He was, back from the dead, in the flesh, why wasn't that sufficient? Because the word of God stands forever.
“By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth. ”
Psalms 33:6 KJV
“All the kings of the earth shall praise thee, O LORD, when they hear the words of thy mouth. ”
Psalms 138:4 KJV
“So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. ”
Isaiah 55:11 KJV
"The scriptures, the word of God, are the final arbiter of truth. Everything else is judged by the scriptures. In these last days, God will have a people upon the earth to maintain the Bible, and the Bible only, as the standard of all doctrines, and the basis of all reforms. The opinions of learned men, the deductions of science, the creeds or decisions of ecclesiastical councils, as numerous and discordant as are the churches which they represent, the voice of the majority,—not one or all of these should be regarded as evidence for or against any point of religious faith. Before accepting any doctrine or precept, we should demand a plain "Thus saith the Lord" in its support. "
"To the law and to the testimony. If they speak not according to this word, there is no light in them". Isaiah 8:20
Behold
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@Josho
Be Honest...as a "Staff member".......needs to be honest........ So, You posted that My Threads are related to OSAS, and i dont teach anything like this..
See, OSAS, is a Religious Jewish teaching from Paul's Day, that claimed that The Grace of God......is "license to Sin"....that its "Licentiousness", is How JUDE explains their false teaching, regarding their Hatred of God's Grace.
I teach that Jesus is the eternal Savior, and His Salvatioin is eternal and it arrives as "The Gift of Salvaiton".
Also, i would never teach that "All Catholics are saved", and that is because billions of them have been falsely taught that "water washes your sin away".....and it doesn't......so, if they are trusting in Water Baptiam, then they are not born again.
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Apologies, I misunderstood your position on that topic, I saw from your recent post you do not stand for the osas doctrine.
Still though any true Catholic meets all the requirements for Salvation.
Behold
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The only way any of us meet God requirement for Salvation.....is if we are a sinner.
So, all of have long ago qualified to receive God's Salvation.......every human being is qualified because "all have sinned, there is none righteous, no not one".
Now, READER...... what does God require from >Me and from YOU< before He will give us the Salvation that Jesus has completed on The Cross?
Reader, Jesus said from the Cross, before He died.....>"IT .. is finished."" (accomplished)
What is accomplished or "finished"?
A.) Forgiveness for all our sin and..."Eternal Life"...and Eternal Life is not Temporary.
So, for us to receive it from God....= We have to give God our FAITH in Christ.,.... and once we do........God will take it from there, like this.
AA) """God who caused Salvation (not faith, but SALVATION).... (in all the born again) will Himself be faithful to complete it""".
See, we dont complete Salvation, as Jesus is Salvation.. so, once we are born again, then God is : "faithful to complete it"...... = (Our Salvation).
How? = by giving us an Eternal Body and conforming us into the Image of Christ......and all that comes LATER.
Welcome to : Salvation., and none of this is water baptism.....
1.) Its "The Gift of Salvation"
2.) Its "The Gift of Righteousness"
3.) Its "The Gift of Eternal life".
As I posted somewhere else, I do listen to a few Catholics and like what they have to say.
And
I like what Pope Leo XIV stands for, I think he is a good role model of what a traditional Christian conservative should stand for.
And
I like what Pope Leo XIV stands for, I think he is a good role model of what a traditional Christian conservative should stand for.
Yes agreed, and true Catholics past that with flying colours, however water baptism is important for stepping into the Christian life, there is something powerful about water baptism, it shows one is committed to following Jesus and leaving their old life behind.
Behold
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We all pass the "sinner" test, with a perfect score.
Everyone should be water baptized after they are born again.... It is a significant and beautiful significaiton of Public Confession that You have become a Christian and you want the world to know you are Risen with Christ and born again.
I would love it if every Christian on this Forum, could come to Israel, and we all go to the Sea of Galilee, and I water baptize you all again.
God wont mind a bit, and the thrill of being water baptized there, or in the River Jordan, if that is the preference, or the Red Sea, ......would be such a heart warming and deeply special spiritual moment for any : Christian, to have and remember.
What I meant is they past the Salvation test.
But yes, ideally everyone should get water baptized.
The Gospel of Christ
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Yes, they have.
Just like the Evangelical Dispensationalists — misled since the early 1900s by a theology no apostle ever preached.
Catholics were handed a pope.
Dispensationalists were handed Scofield.
Different idols, same deception.
One bows to traditions.
The other bows to timelines, charts, and geopolitical fan fiction.
Both traded Christ for clergy — one in robes, the other in prophecy charts and Zionist fantasy.
Dispensationalists call it “rightly dividing,”
but it was never the Word they divided — it was the Body of Christ.
They were taught to wait for a disappearing act instead of a returning King.
Taught to glorify a Christ-rejecting nation instead of the risen Head of the Church.
To worship modern Israel instead of the true Israel — the remnant in Christ.
And now they clutch Scofield’s Bible like it’s a ticket to the sky…
never realizing it’s just a golden calf in leather binding.
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