the Catholic Church teaches. . .

[Behold]

 

[Behold]

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This is a "famous" prayer by one of the Founders of the "Mary Cult" "Marian Devotion" doctrines of Devils.

St. Thomas Aquinas


Reader,
Pay special attention to the MaryCult deception, where He states that He's trusting in and hoping that through MARY, Jesus might forgive his sins..


'"""I pray also that, at the end of my life, Mother beyond compare, gate of heaven and advocate of sinners, you will protect me with your great piety and mercy, and obtain for me, through the blessed and glorious passion of your Son, and = through your own intercession, the forgiveness of all my sins........which I hope to receive."""""

 

[Josho]

@Behold you are focussing a lot on Mary, maybe a bit too much.

So say if a Catholic Saint followed Romans 10:9, John 3:16, is he or she not saved by the Grace of God?

You teach a lot on Grace, since a lot of Catholics declare and believe that Jesus is Lord, they shall be saved according to scripture right? As we know the Biblical requirement for Salvation is pretty simple and is a gift given freely by our Loving God Jesus Christ.

 

[Behold]

@Behold you are focussing a lot on Mary, maybe a bit too much.

You should post your "Catholic Saints Quotes" on my Thread that discusses my favorite Catholic Saints.

It would make perfect sense if you did that...@Josho

Favorite Saint.

And one more. I left one out who is also amazing.. This is Mary of Egypt. Let me just quote the bio... """"She began her life as a young woman who followed the passions of the body, running away from her parents at age twelve for Alexandria. There she lived as a harlot for seventeen years...

www.christianityboard.com

Now....

The Catholic Church is built on "Mary Veneration"...... "Marian Devotion". "Praying To Mary"...

If you take Mary out of the "cult of Mary", then the Catholic Church, ceases to exist.
It will end.
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[Josho]

You should post your "Catholic Saints Quotes" on my Thread that discusses my favorite Catholic Saints.

It would make perfect sense if you did that...@Josho

Favorite Saint.

And one more. I left one out who is also amazing.. This is Mary of Egypt. Let me just quote the bio... """"She began her life as a young woman who followed the passions of the body, running away from her parents at age twelve for Alexandria. There she lived as a harlot for seventeen years...

www.christianityboard.com

I did not know you had this thread, thanks.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Its "the word of God that endures forever".. not "Mary Veneration" cult teaching.

The word of God, is the Old and NEW Testament. that shall "endure forever"

That is not MaryCult "Marian Devotion" ever changing theological nonsense, that depends on what the current Pope decides is the new stuff, that the next Pope will reverse and replace.
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AGAIN – Can show us WHERE the Bible teaches that the Bible is our SOLE Authority.
It’s a simple question – just give me the Chapter and Verse.

This is getting embarrassing. . .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Sez WHO? YOU??? Other naysayers LIKE you????

Well they teach things not found in God's Word that Jesus and His Apostles and the early church never taught such as necromancy and the fake purgatory story

They just makin stuff up as they go along seeking to establish their own righteousness apart from the Lord Jesus

Actually, it was the other way around. The Protestants took "lots of stuff away".

Learn your history....

I know all about the so called reformers... they are false teachers too who do not go by what God teaches in His Word.

You should learn what God's Word teaches hombre

Then you’re accusing Jesus of being a LIAR when He said that the gates of Hell would NEVER prevail against His Church (Matt. 16:18).

Good luck with that . . .

Uh huh, and the Church Jesus is speaking of is the Body of Christ... not fake religious organizations that disobey the Lord's instructions

Yeah so good luck with that disobedience thing! It ends badly homie!

All in all, "friends", are y'all actually paying attention to Jesus words? And BEHAVING that way?

Playing both side so the fence eh?

Earlier you were giving me a hard time about not agreeing with the catholics and now you are playing like you are not in agreement with the catholics.

Which side are you on anyway? Pro catholic doctrine or not?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

@Behold you are focussing a lot on Mary, maybe a bit too much.

Catholics worship and pray to mary which is idolatry

It's one of the errors they engage in that Jesus, His Apostles, and the early church never taught

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well they teach things not found in God's Word that Jesus and His Apostles and the early church never taught such as necromancy and the fake purgatory story

They just makin stuff up as they go along seeking to establish their own righteousness apart from the Lord Jesus

I challenge you to produce a SINGLE proof of “necromancy” in the Church.

As for Purgatory (Final Purification) – it’s Biblical.
1 Cor. 3:10‐15
"According to the grace of God given to me, like a wise master builder I laid a foundation, and another is building upon it. But each one must be careful how he builds upon it, for no one can lay a foundation other than the one that is there, namely, Jesus Christ. If anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, or straw, the work of each will come to light, for the Day (judgment) will disclose it. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire itself will test the quality of each one’s work. If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone’s work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person WILL be saved, but only as through fire."

- This cannot be Heaven because the person will SUFFER ‐ and there is NO suffering in Heaven.
- This cannot be Hell because the person will be SAVED ‐ ad there is NO salvation in Hell.
- This is describing a THIRD state – a state of Final Purification.

Matt. 5:25-26 tells us that unless we have settled our matters, we will be “handed over to the prison guard and will not be released until we have paid the last penny.”

Additionally, Matt. 12:32 states, “whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come”, which indicates that there IS purification after death for some.

Matt. 18:32-35 and Luke 12:58-59 are additional verses that support this doctrine.

Uh huh, and the Church Jesus is speaking of is the Body of Christ... not fake religious organizations that disobey the Lord's instructions

Yeah so good luck with that disobedience thing! It ends badly homie!

Most scholars agree that the Church instituted by Jesus Christ is the Catholic Church. Some of them believe that it fell away from its original purpose. This is impossible due to the fact that Jesus guaranteed that this would NOT happen (Matt. 16:18).

It is the ONE Church that can trace itself ALL the way back to the Apostles in an unbroken line of succession.

Can YOUR sect make this claim?
I didn’t think so . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Catholics worship and pray to mary which is idolatry

It's one of the errors they engage in that Jesus, His Apostles, and the early church never taught

That's a LIE.

Why do you keep vomiting out lies? Don't you know that liars will have NO part in the Kingdom of Heaven (Rev. 21:8)??

The Church has NEVER taught that we are wo worship anybody but God.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I challenge you to produce a SINGLE proof of “necromancy” in the Church.

Here, the so called "prayer" is speaking directly to mary and is asking mary to pray for us.

In case you have not noticed... mary is not alive on this earth physically anymore, she's not here.
That is a text book example of necromancy which is contacting the dead who have passed away from living here

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That's a LIE.

A Roman Catholic friend of mine recently informed me that the oldest Marian prayer is from 250 A.D. It is entitled Sub Tuum Praesidium.

Here are the words: "We fly to your protection oh holy Mother of God. Despise not our petition and our necessities. But deliver us from all dangers, oh ever glorious and blessed virgin."

That prayer clearly is not asking Mary to pray for us. It is petitioning Mary for her "protection" and "deliverance from all dangers". Clearly it is a prayer to Mary.

Checkmate!

 

[nedsk]

So it's no problem to throw the Bible in the trash?

What do you do, sit cross legged smoking ganga humming and whatever pops in to your head you think it God speaking to you? View attachment 63084

Just like in the Garden of Eden, satan is convincing people that God's Word should be ignored.

Another prime example of you people.making claims you can't support. Where did I say throw the bible in the trash? The drama queenery is astounding

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Another prime example of you people.making claims you can't support. Where did I say throw the bible in the trash? The drama queenery is astounding

Catholics don't go by the Bible, so they may as well throw it in the trash

A good example is this praying to mary stuff.... not taught in the Bible anywhere

 

[nedsk]

Catholics don't go by the Bible, so they may as well throw it in the trash

A good example is this praying to mary stuff.... not taught in the Bible anywhere

We don't go by just the Bible as Paul instructed.

Like Sola scriptura is not taught anywhere or Sola fide. Or OSAS drivel. I also can't find the magic incantion you people love to use.

Mary is an intercessor as noted in the wedding at Cana

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Catholics don't go by the Bible, so they may as well throw it in the trash

A good example is this praying to mary stuff.... not taught in the Bible anywhere

The pot calling the kettle Catholic is hilarious.

Catholics should “throw the Bible in the trash” because they pray to Mary?
You mean unlike modern evangelicals who don’t pray to Mary — they just follow a Satanic, Scofield-padded, chart-driven fantasy that guts the Bible and replaces the Gospel with a Zionist coloring book?

Let’s compare notes.

You’re outraged about people praying to Mary —
but perfectly fine with:

Two peoples of God instead of one Body of Christ (Ephesians 4:4–5).

Two separate gospels — one from Jesus (to Jews only, supposedly), and one from Paul (to the Church).

A postponed Kingdom because apparently, Jesus failed dismally His first mission — as if the cross was Plan B.

A third temple and animal sacrifices in the future — because the once-for-all blood of Christ wasn't enough the first time?

Ethnic superiority theology where a Christ-rejecting nation is still “chosen,” and the Church is just squatting in the covenant. Never mind the fact that Khazars & Eastern Europeans (who now make up 95% of the population in what you call "Israel") didn't even convert to Talmudic Judaism until the 8th century.

A secret rapture that’s nowhere in the Bible, followed by a “Second Coming part two: Jerusalem Drift.”

Scofield’s footnotes being treated like divine inspiration — even though Jesus never heard of a ‘parenthesis church age.’

And let’s not forget the biggest heresy:
Exalting a Rothschild-manufactured, Christ-rejecting False Israel™ over the blood-soaked Body of Christ —
while denying that the true Israel is the Body of Christ. Matthew 2:15, Isaiah 49:3–6, Hosea 11:1 (quoted in Matthew 2:15), Luke 3:22–38, John 15:1, Matthew 4:1–11, Deuteronomy 8:2–3, Galatians 3:7, Galatians 3:29, Romans 2:28–29, Romans 4:11–13, Romans 9:6–8, Romans 10:12, Romans 11:17–24, Ephesians 2:11–16, Ephesians 3:6, Ephesians 4:4–5, Colossians 3:11, Philippians 3:3, 1 Peter 2:9–10, Hebrews 8:6–13, Revelation 1:6, Revelation 5:9–10.

But yeah, tell me more about how Catholics should throw away their Bibles… while you’re out here treating Revelation like a Marvel comic book movie and Paul like he launched a brand-new religion in Galatians 2.

You rail against Mariolatry,
but you’ve got Scofieldolatry, Israelolatry, and a full-blown crush on prophetic fiction.

At least Catholics admit their traditions.
Dispensationalists pretend theirs are “rightly divided.”

Face it:
The same people who complain that Catholics added the Apocrypha…
have added dispensational charts, Talmudic Zionism, and Tim LaHaye fan fiction to their theology — and duct-taped it to the back of their Bible like it came free with a 'Left Behind' DVD box set and a prophecy chart drawn in crayon.

You’re slamming Catholics for extra-biblical traditions while you’re lugging around Scofield’s entire unbiblical system like a sacred cow — and pretending it’s scripture.

We don’t need to pray to Mary.

But we also need to stop praying at the altar of Darby, Scofield, and False Israel-first heresy.


Because the real Gospel isn’t about Mary.
And it sure as hell isn’t about the Knesset.

It’s about Jesus Christ — crucified, risen, and reigning — over ONE people, ONE covenant, and ONE Church.
No footnotes. No detours. No pre-trib escape hatch.
Just glory.


I know some of you are very brainwashed and totally misled, so I'm going to try to make this as simple as possible:

The Jews don’t acknowledge that Israel is the Body of Christ — because they fundamentally reject Jesus. Not just politely — but violently, theologically, and in writing. According to the Talmud, they call Him a sorcerer, a deceiver, and claim He’s boiling in excrement in Hell. That’s the spirit behind their denial, and that’s the heart behind their counterfeit claim to the land.

So what did they do? They annexed physical land — Palestine — because they rejected the true inheritance: the Kingdom of God through Christ. They had no interest in the spiritual Israel, no interest in the New Covenant ratified in Jesus’ blood. So they went back to what their fathers worshiped in the wilderness — land, law, and rebellion.

But here’s the punchline: if you, as a professing Christian, recognize that Rothschild-forged land grab in 1948 as “Israel,” then you are denying Christ right alongside them. You are denying that Jesus fulfilled the Old Covenant, that He is the true Seed of Abraham (Galatians 3:16), and that He alone is the heir of every promise. Why? Because the Body of Christ is Israel — not a geopolitical state, not a flag, and not a Christ-rejecting nation built on unbelief. To exalt the land over the Lamb is to trample the blood of the New Covenant and rebuild what Jesus tore down. There is one Israel now — and it is the people united to Christ by faith. Period.

Is it sinking in yet?

When you defend the modern nation-state as “God’s chosen,” while it openly denies the Messiah and tramples the Gospel — you are exalting unbelief over the blood of Christ. You’re siding with the synagogue of Satan over the Church. You’re calling something “holy” that hates the Holy One.

It’s not just wrong. It’s anti-Christ.

Wake up. There is one Israel — and it’s the Body of Christ. Not a flag. Not a border. Not a political state built on rejection of Jesus.

And if that offends you, take it up with Paul.

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed.” — Galatians 3:29
“They are not all Israel who are of Israel.” — Romans 9:6
“A Jew is one inwardly.” — Romans 2:29

If you reject this, you’re not just confused.
You’re rejecting the entire Gospel.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Here, the so called "prayer" is speaking directly to mary and is asking mary to pray for us.

In case you have not noticed... mary is not alive on this earth physically anymore, she's not here.
That is a text book example of necromancy which is contacting the dead who have passed away from living here

Okay, Einstein - time for an English Lesson . . .

"Pray” simply means , "To ASK".

Definition of the word “PRAY”:
Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying
intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
2: to address God or a god with adoration, confession, supplication, or thanksgiving

Acts 27:34 - KJV
"Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for this is for your health: for there shall not an hair fall from the head of any of you".

“Necromancy” means, “To seek information FROM the dead about future events.”

Asking a fellow member of the Body of Christ to pray for you is NOT necromancy – and only an ignoramus would think it was.

 

[BreadOfLife]

A Roman Catholic friend of mine recently informed me that the oldest Marian prayer is from 250 A.D. It is entitled Sub Tuum Praesidium.

Here are the words: "We fly to your protection oh holy Mother of God. Despise not our petition and our necessities. But deliver us from all dangers, oh ever glorious and blessed virgin."

That prayer clearly is not asking Mary to pray for us. It is petitioning Mary for her "protection" and "deliverance from all dangers". Clearly it is a prayer to Mary.

Checkmate! View attachment 63179

The Sub Tuum Praesidium, a beautiful petition for prayerful intercession.
It's NOT a prayer of worship.

Learn the difference . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Catholics don't go by the Bible, so they may as well throw it in the trash

I use Biblical references in almost ALL of my posts. Catholics on this board have shamed countless non-Catholics with our Biblical knowledge and references.

A good example is this praying to mary stuff.... not taught in the Bible anywhere

Okay Einstein - show me where the Bible teaches that the Bible is our SOLE Authority . . .

 

[nedsk]

I use Biblical references in almost ALL of my posts. Catholics on this board have shamed countless non-Catholics with our Biblical knowledge and references.

Okay Einstein - show me where the Bible teaches that the Bible is our SOLE Authority . . .

You have a long wait on your hands.