We Follow the King. You Follow a Corpse.

[Earburner]

Sorry but the lost are not exterminated but spend eternity in the lake of fire as is written.

Without the Gift of the Holy Spirit, NO ONE is able to live beyond their natural death, .....EVER!!
Rom. 8
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[Berean]

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." - Heb. 8:13

Other epistles show that the Law Covenant is still in effect for Jews who have not accepted Christ. The only way the Law Covenant waxes old is that by faith, we perceive the days are numbered wherein the old covenant will pass away. Progressively, then, we can figuratively say that the Law Covenant is vanishing. The New Covenant will be made with the house of Israel. Many Christians erroneously think that the New Testament is the New Covenant and that, therefore, the Christian is under the New Covenant. However, the Christian is under a third covenant, which is sometimes called the Grace Covenant. The New Covenant, which is the “sure mercies of David” from one standpoint, pertains to the world (Isa. 55:3); it is referred to in Ezekiel 37:26,27, “Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

 

[Earburner]

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." - Heb. 8:13

Other epistles show that the Law Covenant is still in effect for Jews who have not accepted Christ. The only way the Law Covenant waxes old is that by faith, we perceive the days are numbered wherein the old covenant will pass away. Progressively, then, we can figuratively say that the Law Covenant is vanishing. The New Covenant will be made with the house of Israel. Many Christians erroneously think that the New Testament is the New Covenant and that, therefore, the Christian is under the New Covenant. However, the Christian is under a third covenant, which is sometimes called the Grace Covenant. The New Covenant, which is the “sure mercies of David” from one standpoint, pertains to the world (Isa. 55:3); it is referred to in Ezekiel 37:26,27, “Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

The Law Covenant is in effect for ALL unsaved people and not only the Jews.
Make no mistake, born again Christians are indeed under the New Covenant by Christ's shed blood and therefore are become NEW creatures, in which the condemnation of the Law of death no longer applies. John 3:18

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If Gods promise to Israel is no longer valid

If his promise to David is no longer valid

No one in thos room has hope

If God will go back on his promise to Israel. nothing will stop hum from going back on his promise to the human race and those who were saved by his son.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

If Gods promise to Israel is no longer valid

If his promise to David is no longer valid

No one in thos room has hope

If God will go back on his promise to Israel. nothing will stop hum from going back on his promise to the human race and those who were saved by his son.

No. That’s not how covenant works.
God didn’t break His promise — He fulfilled it.
Through Christ.
Exactly like He said He would.

If you actually believed Moses, the Prophets, or the Psalms, you’d see the entire Old Covenant pointed straight to Jesus — the King of the Jews, the Lamb of God, and the Mediator of the New Covenant.

But instead of bowing to the King, you prop up a corpse — clinging to an obsolete covenant, as if the Cross never happened.

Let me be crystal clear:

God didn't go back on His promise to Israel.
He completed it in His Son.

And now only those in Christ — Jew or Gentile — are heirs to that promise. (Galatians 3:29)

The Body of Christ is Israel, not the Rothschild/U.N. manufactured abomination in the Middle East you call "Israel".
Spoiler alert: Israel isn't dirt..

This isn’t theological rocket science.
It’s the Gospel.

So no — your hope doesn’t rest in dirt, flags, U.N. maps or genealogies.
It rests in the blood of Christ alone.

Anything else is just Scofield-colored idolatry dressed up as prophecy.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." - Heb. 8:13

Other epistles show that the Law Covenant is still in effect for Jews who have not accepted Christ. The only way the Law Covenant waxes old is that by faith, we perceive the days are numbered wherein the old covenant will pass away. Progressively, then, we can figuratively say that the Law Covenant is vanishing. The New Covenant will be made with the house of Israel. Many Christians erroneously think that the New Testament is the New Covenant and that, therefore, the Christian is under the New Covenant. However, the Christian is under a third covenant, which is sometimes called the Grace Covenant. The New Covenant, which is the “sure mercies of David” from one standpoint, pertains to the world (Isa. 55:3); it is referred to in Ezekiel 37:26,27, “Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

No, that’s not “progressive revelation” — that’s progressive confusion.

There are not three covenants at play here like some divine card trick.
There are two:

1. The Old Covenant — of law, shadows, and sacrifice.

2. The New Covenant — fulfilled and ratified in the blood of Christ.

Everything else is just theological fan fiction.

You say the New Covenant is “not for the Church”?

Paul would like a word:
“This cup is the new covenant in My blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
— 1 Corinthians 11:25

That’s not addressed to Israel.
That’s not spoken at a Sanhedrin.
That’s Jesus speaking directly to His disciples — the foundation of the Church.

You claim the Law Covenant is still in effect for Jews who reject Christ?

Then why does Hebrews — written to Jews — say this explicitly:

“In speaking of a new covenant, He makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.” — Hebrews 8:13

That’s not symbolic.
That’s not future tense.
That’s done.

This “Grace Covenant” you're talking about?
Not one verse in the entire Bible calls it that.
Not one apostle taught a third path.
It’s a Scofield fabrication — a desperate attempt to hold onto a divided system Jesus came to unite.

“He has made both one, and has broken down in His flesh the dividing wall of hostility.”
— Ephesians 2:14

Jews and Gentiles are not on separate covenant tracks.
There is one people of God — one body, one baptism, one Spirit, one King.

“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to the promise.”
— Galatians 3:29

So don’t twist Ezekiel and Isaiah to resurrect an expired covenant.
All the promises of God are “Yes and Amen” in Christ — not outside Him, not after Him, not around Him.

The Cross didn’t pause the plan of God.
It fulfilled it.

There are no holy promises waiting for Christ-rejecting nations.
There is only the New Covenant — ratified in blood, extended to all who believe.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

You dispensationalists think you’re defending scripture?
No — you’re defending a 19th century, manmade system where Rothschild's Israel gets the kingdom, the Church gets the rapture, and Jesus gets sidelined until Act III.

That’s not “studying the Bible correctly.”
That’s Scofield blasphemy wearing Paul’s name like a stolen badge.

The Gospel is crystal clear:

“He is our peace, who has made the two one.” — Ephesians 2:14
“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek.” — Romans 10:12

But your system needs those distinctions.
It depends on them.
It can’t breathe without them.
Because the moment you admit Christ made the two one — your entire dispensational machine chokes and collapses.

If there’s no division, there’s no two-track plan.
If Jew and Gentile are united in Christ, your prophecy charts are garbage, your timelines are fantasy, and your Zionist theology gets buried under the rubble of Calvary.

The Gospel doesn’t accommodate your distinctions.
It obliterates them.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

"Scofield’s Legacy: How One Study Bible Helped Hijack 1,900 Years of Christian Truth

1. Rewrite the identity of Israel —
Replace 1,900 years of Christian consensus with one satanic sleight of hand:
Tell the Body of Christ that they are not Israel anymore.
Strip the saints of their inheritance and hand it to Christ-rejecting Zionists.

2. Invent a fantasy rapture —
A magic trick that leaves the Jews to inherit the earth while Christians fly away.
But the trap is lethal:
If you’re waiting to be whisked away before tribulation,
You won’t endure it.
You’ll fold.
You’ll fall.
And you’ll worship the beast while quoting Scofield footnotes like they’re scripture.

3. Smuggle dual-covenant theology into the Church —
One Gospel for Jews, one for Gentiles.
One way for Israel, another for the rest.
And in doing so, trample Galatians 3:28 underfoot
And call Paul a liar.

4. Turn Jesus into a pause button.
Pretend the King, the Cross, and the New Covenant were a “parenthesis” in God’s plan.
As if the Messiah was a speed bump between Moses and the Rothschilds.

5. Resurrect the temple system in your mind —
Deny Christ’s finished work.
Wait for a third temple built by men
So that one day, a man of sin can walk into it —
Because Scofield trained you to applaud it.

6. Call the modern Rothschild-manufactured "Israel" “prophecy fulfilled” —
Even though it hates Christ, rejects the Gospel,
And legally outlaws evangelism.
Slap a holy label on a secular, Christ-hating regime
And dare to call it God’s chosen.
Blasphemy level: Nuclear.

7. Inject Zionism into evangelical bloodstreams —
Until Christian churches fly foreign flags,
Pray to a different covenant,
And weep for an unbelieving nation while ignoring their own starving neighbors.

8. Castrate the Church's prophetic voice —
Tell them they're not here for the end.
So they don’t resist it.
So they don’t prepare.
So they don’t preach with urgency.
Just tick tock, wait for the pop —
While Satan builds his throne right under their pews.

9. Make Scofield a household name —
Fund it.
Print it.
Distribute it free, by the millions to seminaries and churches worldwide starting in 1909.
Use Oxford’s reputation to trick the flock into swallowing blasphemous commentary like it’s canon.

10. Split the Bible into "dispensations" —
Make God sound like a schizophrenic CEO
Who keeps changing policies every few centuries.
Ditch the continuity of covenant.
Mock the eternal Gospel.
Pretend grace didn’t exist until Paul invented it.

11. Force the Old Testament back into center stage —
So the Church worships shadows instead of substance.
Put Moses back on the throne
And treat Jesus like a substitute teacher.

12. Make Christians obsessed with headlines —
Not holiness.
Not Christ.
Not the Spirit.
Just newspaper clippings taped to Daniel’s statue
And beast-counting like astrology possessed.

13. Get them to love the synagogue of Satan —
Not the people,
Not the lost sheep Christ weeps for,
But the religious machine that spits on Jesus and calls His mother a whore.
Teach Christians to defend that system.
To fund it.
To bless it.
Even though Revelation 2:9 says Jesus hates it.

14. Whisper to them that they are not the elect —
That the Jews still are.
Even if they reject Christ.
So the Church surrenders its authority,
Forfeits its identity,
And prays for the prosperity of the very beast that will slaughter it.

15. Rebrand God's eternal kingdom as "Plan B" —
Push the return of animal sacrifices.
Back a literal Levitical priesthood.
And pretend the blood of bulls and goats will once again have value —
When the blood of the Lamb already paid all of it.

16. Breed generations of passive, powerless pew-sitters —
Because “It’s all going to get worse anyway.”
So don’t fight evil.
Don’t take dominion.
Don’t transform culture.
Just wait for lift-off.

17. Create a false sense of loyalty to the "natural seed" —
Even though John the Baptist said God could raise children of Abraham from stones.
Even though Jesus called faithless Jews “sons of the devil.”
Even though Paul said not all Israel is Israel.
Doesn’t matter.
The flag flies higher than the Cross in Scofield churches.

18. Confuse eschatology so badly
That nobody agrees on anything except that Jesus comes soon… "so none of this matters.”
Meanwhile, Satan plants every flag, writes every law, runs every institution —
And the Church claps.

19. Make Jesus return after the antichrist wins.
After the temple is rebuilt.
After the nations burn.
Instead of seeing Him as reigning now,
On the throne now,
Building His Church now.

20. Turn the Body of Christ into a sideline cheer squad —
Not a war bride,
Not a ruling priesthood,
But a rapture cult feeding on false hope,
trading urgency for escapism,
and leaving the lost to burn.

This was the plan.

Oxford knew.
Scofield knew.
The Zionist financiers knew.
The Rothschilds bankrolled it.
The Rockefellers spread it.
The Balfour Declaration prepared it.
The British Crown signed off on it.
The Vatican stayed silent.
The World Council of Churches nodded along.
The American seminaries — Moody, Dallas Theological, Princeton —
were bought, bribed, and baptized in this doctrine.

Jesuit strategists whispered it through corridors of power.
Masonic networks wrapped it in prophecy charts.
Darby built the skeleton.
Scofield gave it skin.
Oxford gave it blood.
The U.S. church gave it breath.
And now?
You’ve got pastors who’d die for the flag of a nation
that crucifies Christ daily in its laws,
but they won’t lift a finger to defend the Cross.

This wasn’t just theology —
It was psychological warfare.
A spiritual lobotomy for the Body of Christ.
To make the Bride forget who she is.
To make her cheer for the rise of her own executioners.
To make her mistake the Synagogue of Satan
for the remnant of Abraham.

And it worked.
Almost.

But not on everyone.

Because there’s a remnant.
A holy, furious remnant.
Unbought.
Unbribed.
Unfooled.

We don’t serve Darby.
We don’t bow to Scofield.
We don’t pledge allegiance to Zionist maps drawn by U.N. demons and Rothschild pens.

We follow the Lamb.

And we know exactly where He stands.
At the right hand of the Father —
reigning over a Kingdom that’s already here,
already spreading,
already unstoppable.

Not because of a flag.
Not because of a bloodline.
Not because of dirt on a map.

But because the King of the Jews bled for you,
died for you,
rose for you,
and calls you His Body.

So if you're in Christ —
You're not waiting for Israel.
You are Israel.

Blood-washed.
Spirit-filled.
Kingdom-seated.
Hell-proof.

No flag required.
No bloodline.
No footnote.
Just the Cross.

Pick up your sword.
Light the lamp.
The midnight cry is coming.
This is the hour.
This is the cry.
This is the fire.

The King is mounted.
The armies are ready.
The winepress of wrath is full.

Those who twisted His covenant,
rewrote His bride,
and denied His Lordship
will scream for the rocks to fall—
but there will be no hiding.

Because the Word became flesh—
and now the Word is coming back
with fire in His eyes,
and your name in His mouth."

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Could it have a flag that is blasphmy to God ! as we see St Stephen clearly pionted out in Acts ! now who sould be so stupid to reject what St Stephen said in Acts, such a one clearly is not saved if you reject St Stephen that's for sure.

Stephen was not saying such for nothing, but a clear warning to all, for they were in fact off Track in regards God ! and They killed him for pointing out the Truth ! He was an Angel, A mesenger of God !

The Menorah is the True workings of God.

 

[Berean]

No, that’s not “progressive revelation” — that’s progressive confusion.

Maybe you're confused, I'm not.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

As for Rev. 20, there is so much to unpack in it through the amil view, that all premil believers wouldn't be able to keep up with it, nor can they scripturally oppose it.

KJV (Textus Receptus Greek) implies that only satan and the fallen angels spend eternity alive in the LoF.

The kingdoms of men, being "the beast and the false prophet" are already DEAD in the LoF, which is simply "the elements" of this earth melted down into molten lava.
Rev. 20[10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone [molten lava], where the beast and the false prophet ARE, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

By the way, if you didn't notice, in the world of "forever and ever", there is no such thing as "day and night", whether that is with all the forever DEAD people or that of the fallen angels.

YOu spend too much time theologizing and spiritualizing simple statements. Day and Night isd simply a euphemism to say non-stop for ever and ever.

Yes the amil view with its allegorical hermeneutic needs lots of unpacking, for it has to reinterpret the plain teachings of Scrfipture to bend it to an amil view.

And sorry but in Rev.20:10 you even capitalized your answer but do not see it. Beast and False prophet ARE not WERE! And they shall be tormented day and night forever and ever is the Future Passive indicative. The dead cannot be tormented! They are dead. And if the molten lava as you call it is there their bodies are consumed in mere moments!

This is the same as found in Rev. 14:
9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

This rebuttal was so epic.. It just had to be shared..



"I gave you the "Jew" — in Romans, Ephesians, Galatians, James, and Hebrews.
The only thing I didn’t give you was the lie you’re still trying to defend:
that God’s promises ride on DNA, not the blood of Christ.

You didn’t refute my post.
You didn’t even touch it.
You just dismissed it like a child plugging his ears — because it demolished the sandcastle you were taught to worship.

If you really cared about the Jew, you’d preach the Gospel to him —
not hand him Scofield’s prophecy chart and tell him he doesn’t need Jesus yet.

And what makes this whole charade even more laughable is the fact that over 97% of the people in the modern state of Rothschild’s False Israel™aren’t even “ethnic Jews” by your own Scofield standards.

The people you call “Jews” today are mostly Ashkenazi and Sephardic, not ancient Hebrews.
Ashkenazi means Eastern European — Poland, Russia, Ukraine, Germany.
They descend from Khazarian converts, not from Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob.
Sephardic Jews come from Spain, Portugal, and North Africa.
They’re not from the tribes of Israel either.

The Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D., and with it — all tribal genealogies.
No one alive today can prove they’re from Judah, Levi, or Benjamin. No one.
Paul could — because he lived before 70 A.D.
You? You’re guessing based on a last name, a hat, and a man-made religion.

DNA studies confirm that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically closest to Italians, Greeks, and Eastern Europeans.
Not Abrahamic.
Not Semitic.
Not Hebrews.
Just European converts who adopted a religion centuries after the covenant was already fulfilled in Christ.

Practicing modern Judaism doesn’t make someone a biblical Jew.
The Talmud is not the Torah.
The rabbis who wrote it rejected the Messiah and created a religion that openly mocks Him.
Jesus said, “You nullify the Word of God for the sake of your tradition.”
That tradition now defines modern Judaism.
And any religion that denies the Son is not in covenant with the Father — it’s at war with Him.

The modern state of Israel was not founded by prophets.
It was founded by Zionist atheists, socialist revolutionaries, British colonial policy, and Rothschild banking dynasties.
It was approved by the United Nations, not ordained from the throne of David.
It was a geopolitical maneuver, not a divine restoration.
There’s no temple.
No Levitical priesthood.
No Davidic king.
No national repentance.
Only military might, political manipulation, and a total rejection of Jesus Christ.

So let’s be honest.

You’re defending a people who do not descend from Abraham.
Who cannot prove any tribal lineage.
Who reject the Gospel of Christ.
Who follow a rabbinic system that contradicts Moses and the prophets.
Who were installed in the land by globalist bankers and the U.N.
Who silence and persecute Christians within their borders.
And who teach a gospel that denies the Gospel.

Meanwhile, the Bible says:
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, heirs according to promise.” — Galatians 3:29
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly... but inwardly, by the Spirit.” — Romans 2:28–29
“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel.” — Romans 9:6
The Church is the Israel of God. — Galatians 6:16

So even if they were ethnic Jews —
if they reject Christ, they have no inheritance.
But they’re not even ethnic Jews.
Which makes this entire charade not just false — but completely absurd.

You’ve been tricked into defending a political counterfeit.
You call them God’s chosen, but they reject the One who chose them.
You’re worshiping a flag, a (false/stolen) bloodline, and a lie.
The true Israel is not a nationalist outpost.
It is the Body of Christ. < If you don't believe this, you don't even follow the Gospel.
One people.
One covenant.
One King.
And He already came.

Every Christian on earth — from the Apostles themselves to the early Church Fathers — taught with unwavering clarity that the Body of Christ isIsrael.

Peter believed it.
Paul declared it.
James affirmed it.
John sealed it in Revelation.

Ignatius of Antioch, Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Tertullian, Clement of Alexandria, Origen, Athanasius, Augustine — every one of them taught that the true Israel was not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
Not a bloodline.
Not a flag.
Not a geopolitical entity — but the Church, born of Christ, purchased by His blood, and sealed by His Spirit.

And then — silence.

Around 1900, a new gospel began to spread — not from the mouth of Christ, but from the pen of John Nelson Darby and the footnotes of Cyrus Scofield.

Suddenly, the Church was no longer the fulfillment — it was a parenthesis.
The Cross wasn’t the finish line — it was a pause button.
Jesus wasn’t the fulfillment of the covenant — He was a placeholder for ethnic Israel’s second chance.

And how convenient.

Just as Scofield’s Bibles were being mass-printed and handed out for free, the Rothschild-funded Zionist movement violently seized Palestine, displaced and killed its inhabitants, and claimed divine right — with Christians cheering from the sidelines, holding their Scofield Study Bibles like they were scripture.

It was never about theology.
It was about programming.

The Church — once militant in doctrine and radiant with truth — was pacified, seduced, and reprogrammed to believe that the very people rejecting Christ were “God’s chosen,” while the Body of Christ itself was now a theological afterthought.

They replaced the Gospel with a flag.
Replaced the covenant with a U.N. real estate deal.
And replaced the Cross with a prophecy chart.

If Paul were alive today, he wouldn’t be writing letters.
He’d be flipping pulpits.

Even if Slingblade and Forrest Gump read the entire comment above, they’d come to the obvious conclusion: these fake, European identity thieves are the false Jews of Revelation — the ones ‘who claim they are Jews, but are not, and lie.’
Wake up. Who are you waiting for? They’re not coming — they’re already here. Right in front of your face. Get a clue.

One thing’s for sure — P.T. Barnum was right.
There’s a sucker born every minute…
And Scofield made sure every one of them got a free Bible laced with lies."

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Maybe you're confused, I'm not.

If you’re not confused, that’s even worse — because it means you’re confidently wrong.

God’s revelation didn’t ‘progress’ into contradiction.
It culminated in Christ.
The Gospel didn’t evolve — it was fulfilled.

Jesus didn’t come to make Moses clearer.
He came to make Moses obsolete.
(Hebrews 8:13 — read it slow.)

There’s no ‘progressive revelation’ that overrides the Cross.

Either the covenant was finished at Calvary —
or you’re still waiting on shadows after the Light already came.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Without the Gift of the Holy Spirit, NO ONE is able to live beyond their natural death, .....EVER!!
Rom. 8
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

YOu falsely used Romans 8:9 to justify annihilationism.

Jesus tasted death for every man. Jesus conquered death.

1 Cor. 15:

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

If one human remains deadn then the last enemy is never destroyed.

Verse 22 is key. Both alls have to match.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

No. That’s not how covenant works.

Uh yes actually it is. When you make a covenant, and say you will do something and ask for nothing in return, and then call it an eternal covenant.

thats how it goes

God didn’t break His promise — He fulfilled it.

No.

actually he is still fulfilling it

Through Christ.
Exactly like He said He would.

Yes. In all nations will be blessed

Not I give you this land as an eternal possession. Christ has nothign to do with this other than he will rule as he promised David

If you actually believed Moses, the Prophets, or the Psalms, you’d see the entire Old Covenant pointed straight to Jesus — the King of the Jews, the Lamb of God, and the Mediator of the New Covenant.

I believe it

But I am talking about the covenant made to abraham. Which had nothing to do with the law of moses other than Lev 26.

But instead of bowing to the King, you prop up a corpse — clinging to an obsolete covenant, as if the Cross never happened.

Whatever dude.

Let me be crystal clear:

God didn't go back on His promise to Israel.
He completed it in His Son.

your right, God did not go back on his promise
GOdS PROMISE TO ISREAL STILL STANDS

And now only those in Christ — Jew or Gentile — are heirs to that promise. (Galatians 3:29)

The promise of in you shall all nations be blessed.

why are you not living in peace in the land given to Abraham Isaac and Jacob if you now have that promise?

The Body of Christ is Israel, not the Rothschild/U.N. manufactured abomination in the Middle East you call "Israel".
Spoiler alert: Israel isn't dirt..

spoiler alert

the body of christ has always been jew or gentile

from adam until today. Nothing changed.

but that has nothing to do with a promise God made to a nation of people

This isn’t theological rocket science.
It’s the Gospel.

Yes it is Gospel

but Gods promise to israel was not gospel. God never promised Israel would all be saved in that covenant. Thats a totally different covenant.

So no — your hope doesn’t rest in dirt, flags, U.N. maps or genealogies.
It rests in the blood of Christ alone.

Your right My hope does not

that does not Negate God made a promise to them

if he does not keep his promise to them, I have no hope he will keep it for me Nor do you

Anything else is just Scofield-colored idolatry dressed up as prophecy.

Lol

actually read the OT. Not only Did God make the promise. He will keep it. Paul assures us if this in Romans 11.

when they repent and are restored. The world will shout for Joy,

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

What’s absolutely hilarious is this —
All the Scofield zombies are out here screaming, “We’re in Revelation! The end is here!”
Okay then. Cool.

So riddle me this, geniuses:
Where. Are. The. False. Jews?

You know — the ones Revelation literally warned us about:
the imposters who would endanger the entire world — spiritually and literally —
claiming to be God’s people while serving Satan’s agenda.

“Those who claim to be Jews but are not — and lie. They are a synagogue of Satan.” (Rev. 2:9, 3:9)

Are you seriously telling me we’re in the end times…
but the fake Jews haven’t even shown up yet?

So when exactly do they arrive?
After the Rapture?
During halftime at the Third Temple?

Or maybe — just maybe — they already run the entire system…
and you’re too Scofield-soaked to admit it.

If you think Revelation is unfolding right now,
but still defend the Rothschild-built Zionist state,
and worship a six-pointed, six-sided, six-triangle occult star —
the so-called “Star of David,” which appears nowhere in scripture,
and was explicitly condemned in Amos 5:26 and Acts 7:43…
…and call Christ-rejecting Khazarians “God’s chosen” —

Congratulations.
You’ve already been deceived by the Synagogue of Satan.

It’s not future.
It’s not symbolic.
It’s here. It’s global. And you’re waving its flag, funding its wars, and calling it “fulfilled prophecy.”

So I’ll ask again — louder this time:
WHERE. ARE. THE. FALSE. JEWS?

Because the Scofield crowd? They’re GONE, man.
Foaming at the mouth about seals and trumpets —
while ignoring the part where Jesus literally names the enemy.

“Those who say they are Jews and are not, but lie.” — Revelation 2:9 / 3:9

And you’re just standing there like:
“Hey, uh… you guys gonna mention the synagogue of Satan or…?”

You know… the fake Ashkenazi/European Jews whose pagan ancestors didn’t even convert to Talmudic Judaism until 740 A.D. —
under King Bulan of the Khazars.

And not under some heartfelt spiritual awakening either —
it was a mass conversion at the tip of a spear.

Yeah. Those guys.

Now fast forward 1,200 years —
and suddenly these Russian converts are genetically “God’s chosen people”????? (Have you lost your minds?)
Claiming descent from Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob…???!!?! (Possibly the biggest lie ever told in human history.)
while running banks, media, governments, and modern False Israel™ —
with no Jesus, no covenant, and not a single drop of Hebrew blood.

But hey — Scofield said it, so it must be true.

These are the same guys who now run Hollywood, own every outlet, fund both sides of every war,
and built a nationalist ethno-state in Palestine —
without repentance, without Christ, and without a shred of biblical legitimacy.

And now they’re claiming these same people are the 'seed of Abraham'?

The stupidity and ignorance is absolutely staggering..

I don’t know, Cletus...
Maybe — just maybe — these are the false Jews Jesus warned about?

“Those who claim to be Jews but are not — and lie.”

But sure.
Keep polishing your little False Israel™ lapel pin.
Keep drawing your blood moon timelines and Third Temple floorplans.
Just don’t look too close —
because if you do, the Scofield house of cards collapses overnight.

The Beast isn’t a horned monster —
He’s a Polish-born Khazarian convert in a yarmulke, funded by Rothschilds, protected by the U.N., and worshiped by Scofield morons as ‘God’s chosen'.

So yeah — it’s a riot.
A sad, prophetic comedy.
And Jesus already saw it coming.

That’s why He warned us.
That’s why most of them will never see it.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Uh yes actually it is. When you make a covenant, and say you will do something and ask for nothing in return, and then call it an eternal covenant.

thats how it goes

No.

actually he is still fulfilling it


Yes. In all nations will be blessed

Not I give you this land as an eternal possession. Christ has nothign to do with this other than he will rule as he promised David

I believe it

But I am talking about the covenant made to abraham. Which had nothing to do with the law of moses other than Lev 26.

Whatever dude.

your right, God did not go back on his promise
GOdS PROMISE TO ISREAL STILL STANDS

The promise of in you shall all nations be blessed.

why are you not living in peace in the land given to Abraham Isaac and Jacob if you now have that promise?

spoiler alert

the body of christ has always been jew or gentile

from adam until today. Nothing changed.

but that has nothing to do with a promise God made to a nation of people

Yes it is Gospel

but Gods promise to israel was not gospel. God never promised Israel would all be saved in that covenant. Thats a totally different covenant.

Your right My hope does not

that does not Negate God made a promise to them

if he does not keep his promise to them, I have no hope he will keep it for me Nor do you

Lol

actually read the OT. Not only Did God make the promise. He will keep it. Paul assures us if this in Romans 11.

when they repent and are restored. The world will shout for Joy,

"No. That’s not how covenant works."
“Uh yes actually it is. When you make a covenant, and say you will do something and ask for nothing in return, and then call it an eternal covenant…”

You’re confusing the promise with the fulfillment.
God did make an eternal covenant with Abraham — and He fulfilled it through Christ.
Not through modern geopolitics, not through Rothschild-funded land grabs, and not through people who reject the Son.
“The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his Seed… The Seed is Christ.” — Galatians 3:16



“He is still fulfilling it.”

No. He already fulfilled it.
That’s why Paul said:
“All the promises of God find their Yes in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20
You're still waiting for what Jesus already did.



“In all nations will be blessed”

Exactly.
And that’s why the land wasn’t the point — faith was.
“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel… but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.” — Romans 9:6–8


“Christ has nothing to do with this other than he will rule as he promised David.”

Wrong again.

Jesus is the fulfillment of the covenant with David:

“I will raise up for David a righteous Branch… and he shall reign as king.” — Jeremiah 23:5
“The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.” — Luke 1:32
He doesn’t need dirt to prove He’s King.
The Cross crowned Him.



“The covenant made to Abraham had nothing to do with Moses.”

Correct — and Jesus fulfilled Abraham’s covenant too, not just the Mosaic one:
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29

So again — fulfilled.
In Christ, not in Zionist real estate schemes.




“God’s promise to Israel still stands.”
Absolutely — and that promise is now only accessible in Christ.
That’s why Paul wrote:
“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek… the same Lord is Lord of all.” — Romans 10:12


“Why are you not living in peace in the land if you have that promise?”

Because the land wasn’t the point — the Kingdom is.
“My kingdom is not of this world.” — Jesus (John 18:36)

The “land” was a shadow.
Christ is the substance.

“The body of Christ has always been Jew or Gentile, from Adam until today.”
Then stop pretending there's still a separate covenant for bloodline Jews.
If the Body of Christ is the true Israel — then modern, Christ-rejecting Israel is not.


“God never promised Israel would all be saved.”
He promised a remnant would be saved — through Christ. Not through DNA.

“And in this way all Israel will be saved…” — Romans 11:26
Not by blood, not by law — but by faith, just like the Gentiles.

“If God doesn’t keep His promise to them, I have no hope He’ll keep it to me.”
Exactly. That’s why you better hope in Christ, not in the sand of a Middle Eastern political state.

Because God’s promise wasn’t to bloodlines — it was to those in the Seed, who is Christ.
“The promise depends on faith, so that it may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring — not only to those who are of the law but also to those who share the faith of Abraham.” — Romans 4:16


You say, “Read the OT.”
I did.
It pointed me to Jesus.

You read it like a Scofield jigsaw puzzle — disconnected pieces, timelines, and prophecy charts.
I read it like a cross-shaped key that unlocked the New Covenant — where every promise finds its Yes in Christ.

We’re not waiting on fulfillment.
We’re living in it.
And the only “Israel” that matters now is the Body of Christ.

Take it or leave it.
But don’t pretend it’s still about dirt.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

I guess I better make the "false Jews" of Revelation checklist for the misled, lurking public..

Ready kids?

Converted to Judaism in 740 A.D. under King Bulan of Khazaria — check

Conversion was political, not spiritual — check

Never set foot in ancient Israel before the 20th century — check
(That includes their ancestors) - check

No bloodline connection to Abraham, Isaac, or Jacob — check

No tribal lineage to Judah, Levi, or Benjamin — check

All tribal records destroyed in 70 A.D. with the Second Temple — check

Genetically closest to Southern Europeans, not Semitic peoples — check

Ashkenazi Jews are of Eastern European, Slavic, and Khazarian descent — check

Sephardic Jews originate from Spain, Portugal, and North Africa — check

Did not speak ancient Hebrew as a native language — check

Speak Yiddish (a Germanic-Slavic hybrid) or Ladino — check

Follow the Talmud, not the Torah of Moses they keep around as a stage prop — check

The Satanic Babylonian Talmud of occult magic — their "highest laws" — openly mocks Jesus Christ — check

Modern Judaism is based on rabbinic tradition, not Mosaic law — check

Reject Jesus as the Messiah — check

Established modern Israel without national repentance or faith in Christ — check

Zionist state was founded in 1948 through U.N. partition and Rothschild funding — check

No throne of David, no temple, no Levitical priesthood — check

Openly use a Satanic, six-pointed demonic star of Remphan as their official sigil, condemned in Amos 5:26 and Acts 7:43 — check
(Blasphemy — falsely branded as the ‘Star of David,’ though scripture never once says David had a star) — check

Persecute Christian missionaries and suppress Gospel in Israel — check

Declare themselves “God’s chosen” while denying the Son of God — check

Elevate the Talmud above the written Word of God — check

Teach that rabbis outrank prophets — check

Talmud teaches Gentiles are spiritually inferior — check
(Even though.. you know.. they’re a converted cult of Gentiles themselves) — check

Are not mentioned in any New Testament prophecy as “Israel” — check

Identified in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9 as false Jews who lie — check

Are aligned with globalist, anti-Christian power structures — check

Teach dual-covenant theology — denying the Gospel of grace — check



I’ll tell you what you got here, Cletus...
The false Jews of Revelation.

Straight from 2:9 and 3:9 —
“Those who say they are Jews but are not — and lie.”

Checkmate.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

"No. That’s not how covenant works."
“Uh yes actually it is. When you make a covenant, and say you will do something and ask for nothing in return, and then call it an eternal covenant…”

You’re confusing the promise with the fulfillment.
God did make an eternal covenant with Abraham — and He fulfilled it through Christ.
Not through modern geopolitics, not through Rothschild-funded land grabs, and not through people who reject the Son.
“The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his Seed… The Seed is Christ.” — Galatians 3:16



“He is still fulfilling it.”

No. He already fulfilled it.
That’s why Paul said:
“All the promises of God find their Yes in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20
You're still waiting for what Jesus already did.



“In all nations will be blessed”

Exactly.
And that’s why the land wasn’t the point — faith was.
“Not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel… but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.” — Romans 9:6–8


“Christ has nothing to do with this other than he will rule as he promised David.”

Wrong again.

Jesus is the fulfillment of the covenant with David:

“I will raise up for David a righteous Branch… and he shall reign as king.” — Jeremiah 23:5
“The Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.” — Luke 1:32
He doesn’t need dirt to prove He’s King.
The Cross crowned Him.



“The covenant made to Abraham had nothing to do with Moses.”

Correct — and Jesus fulfilled Abraham’s covenant too, not just the Mosaic one:
“If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” — Galatians 3:29

So again — fulfilled.
In Christ, not in Zionist real estate schemes.




“God’s promise to Israel still stands.”
Absolutely — and that promise is now only accessible in Christ.
That’s why Paul wrote:
“There is no distinction between Jew and Greek… the same Lord is Lord of all.” — Romans 10:12


“Why are you not living in peace in the land if you have that promise?”

Because the land wasn’t the point — the Kingdom is.
“My kingdom is not of this world.” — Jesus (John 18:36)

The “land” was a shadow.
Christ is the substance.

“The body of Christ has always been Jew or Gentile, from Adam until today.”
Then stop pretending there's still a separate covenant for bloodline Jews.
If the Body of Christ is the true Israel — then modern, Christ-rejecting Israel is not.


“God never promised Israel would all be saved.”
He promised a remnant would be saved — through Christ. Not through DNA.

“And in this way all Israel will be saved…” — Romans 11:26
Not by blood, not by law — but by faith, just like the Gentiles.

“If God doesn’t keep His promise to them, I have no hope He’ll keep it to me.”
Exactly. That’s why you better hope in Christ, not in the sand of a Middle Eastern political state.

Because God’s promise wasn’t to bloodlines — it was to those in the Seed, who is Christ.
“The promise depends on faith, so that it may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all Abraham’s offspring — not only to those who are of the law but also to those who share the faith of Abraham.” — Romans 4:16


You say, “Read the OT.”
I did.
It pointed me to Jesus.

You read it like a Scofield jigsaw puzzle — disconnected pieces, timelines, and prophecy charts.
I read it like a cross-shaped key that unlocked the New Covenant — where every promise finds its Yes in Christ.

We’re not waiting on fulfillment.
We’re living in it.
And the only “Israel” that matters now is the Body of Christ.

Take it or leave it.
But don’t pretend it’s still about dirt.

Here is the facts

1 God made a covenant with Abraham. In this covenant was the promise that his seed would come salvation of all nations

That covenant was fulfilled in Christ

2 God made a separate covenant with Abraham. His son Issac and his grandson Jacob and his 12 sons. An everlasting covenant. In this he gave them a plot of land. And he said it would be there’s forever. He later in Lev 26 gave them provisions for living in that land. Obey me. And I will bless you. I will keep you safe in your land and I will keep your enemies at bay. Disobey me and I will punish you. Each punishment would be 7 times more. And the final straw would
Be destruction of the land the cities the holy places and they would Be scattered. This happened 3 times. Assyria, Babylon and finally in 70 Ad via Rome.

But this second promise is still valid. And God said even then he will not forget his promise. If they repent and confess God will restore them

Years later God made a separate covenant with David that one day his dead would rule on his throne. That too will be fulfilled

So you can post long drawn out things that have zero to do with thee covenants and act as if God will not keep them. But you will do so to your own enjoyment

I did not get this fro coiled. I got it from reading genesis leviticus and all the prophets

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Here is the facts

1 God made a covenant with Abraham. In this covenant was the promise that his seed would come salvation of all nations

That covenant was fulfilled in Christ

2 God made a separate covenant with Abraham. His son Issac and his grandson Jacob and his 12 sons. An everlasting covenant. In this he gave them a plot of land. And he said it would be there’s forever. He later in Lev 26 gave them provisions for living in that land. Obey me. And I will bless you. I will keep you safe in your land and I will keep your enemies at bay. Disobey me and I will punish you. Each punishment would be 7 times more. And the final straw would
Be destruction of the land the cities the holy places and they would Be scattered. This happened 3 times. Assyria, Babylon and finally in 70 Ad via Rome.

But this second promise is still valid. And God said even then he will not forget his promise. If they repent and confess God will restore them

Years later God made a separate covenant with David that one day his dead would rule on his throne. That too will be fulfilled

So you can post long drawn out things that have zero to do with thee covenants and act as if God will not keep them. But you will do so to your own enjoyment

I did not get this fro coiled. I got it from reading genesis leviticus and all the prophets

You just said it plainly:

“God made a separate covenant… and gave them a plot of land… and said it would be theirs forever.”

Let’s stop right there.

First: The land covenant was conditional, not unconditional.

God absolutely gave the land to Israel — on terms:
“Obey me… or I will scatter you among the nations.” — Leviticus 26
“You shall not defile the land… or I will spew you out of it.” — Leviticus 18:25

And what happened?

They broke the covenant.
Not once. Not twice. Repeatedly.
The land was never “forever” in the way you're implying — because they were never faithful forever.

That’s why God said:
“I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce.” — Jeremiah 3:8

He divorced them.

So what happened in 1948?

The secular, Christ-rejecting, Zionist elite didn’t wait for repentance.
They didn’t come in humility or faith.
They came in with U.N. votes, British guns, and Rothschild money.

They defied God’s conditions.
They blasphemed His covenant.
And they replanted themselves in the land without the Son — as if the Cross never happened.

That wasn’t prophecy fulfilled.
That was rebellion repeated.

God said, “If they confess their iniquity… then I will remember My covenant.” — Leviticus 26:40–42
They haven’t confessed.
They haven’t repented.
They haven’t bowed to the King.

So no — 1948 wasn’t restoration.
It was political theater dressed in religious costume.

A Satanic counterfeit.
A U.N.-sanctioned, Rothschild-financed blasphemy in the heart of the land God once called holy.

And now the world celebrates it.
Churches wave its flag.
Pastors preach its false glory.
And Christians call it fulfillment.

But the Most High sees it for what it is:
A defiled altar without a sacrifice.
A throne with no King.
And a covenant with no Christ.


Second: God didn’t abandon His promise — He fulfilled it.

Through Christ, the faithful Israelite.
The final King. The final sacrifice. The true Temple.

That’s why Paul writes:
“He is not a Jew who is one outwardly… but inwardly, by the Spirit.” — Romans 2:28–29
“All the promises of God find their Yes in Him.” — 2 Corinthians 1:20

You’re not defending covenant theology —
you’re denying covenant fulfillment.


Third: You’re still looking for geography. God’s looking for faith.
The land was never the goal. It was a shadow of something greater.

“My Kingdom is not of this world.” — Jesus (John 18:36)
“We desire a better country — a heavenly one.” — Hebrews 11:16

Abraham himself was looking beyond Canaan.
You’re clinging to the shadow after the substance has arrived.


Fourth: Romans 11 doesn’t say “ethnic restoration.” It says remnant saved through Christ.

“If they do not continue in unbelief, they will be grafted in.” — Romans 11:23
“And in this way all Israel will be saved…” — Romans 11:26
Not apart from Christ. Through Him.
One tree. One covenant. One people.

There’s no “plan B” for ethnic Jews who reject Jesus. (If you can even find an "ethnic Biblical Jew" nowadays. They're about as rare as Big Foot.)


Fifth: You say you didn’t get this from Scofield.

Then why are you repeating everything he taught — almost word for word?

Land covenant separated from Christ?
Davidic throne waiting for a literal future king in Jerusalem?
Modern unbelieving Israel still “chosen”?
Jesus as a footnote in the “real” Israel story?

This is Scofieldism — whether you read his footnotes or not.


Final reality check:

God’s covenant to Abraham? Fulfilled in Christ.

God’s covenant through Moses? Fulfilled in Christ.

God’s covenant with David? Fulfilled in Christ.

God’s promises to Israel? Fulfilled in Christ.

All of it.

That’s not “replacement.”
That’s redemption.

And if you think Jesus came just to delay everything — so modern secular Israelis could eventually claim it later — then you’ve missed the entire point of the Gospel.

You’re reading Genesis like a deed.
I’m reading it like a prophecy — that Christ fulfilled.

You say God will “keep His promise” by restoring the land.

I say He already did.
He gave us the Kingdom — not dirt.

“The meek shall inherit the earth.”
Not Rothschild’s U.N.-installed Khazar Christ-rejectors squatting in Tel Aviv —
You know, the ones whose pagan ancestors didn’t convert to Judaism until 740 A.D.,
and couldn’t find biblical Israel on a map if the entire map was Israel.

Yeah — the Khazar & Eastern European identity thieves you call “the children and descendants of Abraham.”
Wake up. They're about as "related to Abraham" as Mao Zedong was. 0.0000%