Babylon

[Jerry Huerta]

Hi Jerry,

Well, first the `bride` is Israel,` (Isa. 54: 5 & 6. Hos. 2: 19 & 20) (BTW do you like being called a female, a bride? nonsense.) We are the Body. There is no male or female, but the New Man has both characteristics.

We, the Body of Christ do not come back with the Lord. We are on the Lord`s own throne ruling with Him. He sets up His rule through Israel over the nations of the world in the millennium and returns to heaven. We rule, judge fallen angels and the world System from there. (1 Cor. 2 & 3)

The angels that are sent gather the people of Israel that have scattered throughout the trib. and bring them back to Israel.

Ao Jerry, are you saying that Jerusalem is over all the religions of the earth. Interesting when all the world is coming against Israel and soon will. (Zech. 12: 9)

The WCC (World Council of Churches) can and have fallen. They bow to the UN`s earth religion.

And the wealth of the world is in the East, whereas the West is in great debt.

You said the UN was Babylon, now you’re trying to change it to ecumenicalism. Point is that none of them enriched the merchants. The Magisterial reformers held intercourse with the kings of the earth which ultimately led to the enrichment of the church and the merchants through the secularization of society. Furthermore, the Magisterial reformers represent the mother of the harlot daughters, the Protestant denominations. The UN and ecumenicalism have little to do with the prophecy,

Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living." ESV

Ancient Israel was comprised of men, and the body was illustrated as a bride. Obviously, you fail to grasp that, and it’s not nonsense.

Paul relates the same relationship to the Church, in the sense we are betrothed,

2 Corinthians 11
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. KJV

Paul’s addressing the church, not the Jews. Here’s what he says about the new creature, the Church,

Galatian 6
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Obviously, you espouse dispensationalism, I don’t, for the reason the Church is Israel according to the NT.

Furthermore, the NT maintains the overcomers inherit and rule on earth,

Matthew 5
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Revelation 5
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

 

[Marilyn C]

You said the UN was Babylon, now you’re trying to change it to ecumenicalism. Point is that none of them enriched the merchants. The Magisterial reformers held intercourse with the kings of the earth which ultimately led to the enrichment of the church and the merchants through the secularization of society. Furthermore, the Magisterial reformers represent the mother of the harlot daughters, the Protestant denominations. The UN and ecumenicalism have little to do with the prophecy,

Revelation 18
3 For all nations have drunk the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality, and the kings of the earth have committed immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth have grown rich from the power of her luxurious living." ESV

Ancient Israel was comprised of men, and the body was illustrated as a bride. Obviously, you fail to grasp that, and it’s not nonsense.

Paul relates the same relationship to the Church, in the sense we are betrothed,

2 Corinthians 11
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. KJV

Paul’s addressing the church, not the Jews. Here’s what he says about the new creature, the Church,

Galatian 6
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Obviously, you espouse dispensationalism, I don’t, for the reason the Church is Israel according to the NT.

Furthermore, the NT maintains the overcomers inherit and rule on earth,

Matthew 5
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Revelation 5
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Hi Jerry,

I was just showing that the WCC was in there with the many other religions too. They all are prostitutes, turn from the truth as Rom. 1: 20 - 25. The UN is the `mother` of them all, bringing them all under the `mother earth religion.`

We cannot base a doctrine on an exhortation (Eph. 5) and a symbol that Paul uses for his own disciples. (2 Cor. 11)

So if we are Israel then God did an oops for He made Israel and worked with them for centuries. God is omniscient, (all knowing) and seems to have not realized that a few pharisees could stop His purpose for Israel.

We inherit the rulership with Christ on His own throne in the highest. (Rev.3: 21) And we shall reign `epi` OVER the earth. The Greek word `epi is `on or over.` Thus we need more scriptures as to which.

 

[Earburner]

Both preterists and futurists are wrong about Babylon, but so are historicists. The idealist view gets forgotten and overlooked, but it is the correct one. Babylon does not represent any particular earthly entity, but rather represents the spiritual opposite of the heavenly new Jerusalem. It is the mother of harlots, of which the Papacy and RCC is only one. Your view of Babylon is too narrow. Its scope is well beyond just the Papacy and RCC. Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Secular Humanists, etc. are all citizens of Babylon and none of those have anything to do with the Papacy and RCC. Babylon is the mother of all harlots, including the Papacy, while the heavenly Jerusalem is the mother of all believers (Galatians 4:26).


Luther is not a trustworthy source for doctrine. He believed in total depravity and had some other views similar to John Calvin's false beliefs in relation to salvation, also.


Wrong. Of all the things you can criticize preterism about, this is not one of them. Do you not believe that you are in Christ's kingdom now? The kingdom that He said does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36).

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Do you not believe that you have been delivered from the power of darkness and translated into the kingdom of the Father's dear Son Jesus Christ? Do you think Paul didn't know what he was talking about here?


Agree.



Notice at that point it says "the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father". Why is it called "the kingdom of their Father"? Because Jesus will have delivered the kingdom He rules over now to the Father at that point.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

If all would recall, the literal city of Babylon was judged and destroyed by God long ago in 539 BC.

So then, why would God have a remembrance of it, that it should be repeated again, unless of course He has called a judgment and vengeance against another "great city" that was not Babylon, but became like it.
The irony of the name of Babylon being "that Great city", is also declared of as being a "Mystery". So then, if it's a "mystery", we are to conclude that the name Babylon is being applied to another Great city that is not literally the one and only historic Babylon.

Rev. 14:8; 17:18; 18:2,10,16,19,21.
Rev. 21:10.
How it is that another city is "that Great city", called a "Mystery", is not because of a mystery, but rather that the mystery itself is there are two Great cities [named Jerusalem] that God is calling "that Great city", whereby one Great city "is fallen" but the other Great city "is above, is free and is the mother of us all". Gal. 4:6.
Therefore, I percieve that "Jerusalem which now is", is that Great city which "is fallen", and most assuredly did fall in 70AD under the Roman Commander Titus.
Rev. 14:8; 18:2.

 

[Jerry Huerta]

Hi Jerry,

I was just showing that the WCC was in there with the many other religions too. They all are prostitutes, turn from the truth as Rom. 1: 20 - 25. The UN is the `mother` of them all, bringing them all under the `mother earth religion.`

We cannot base a doctrine on an exhortation (Eph. 5) and a symbol that Paul uses for his own disciples. (2 Cor. 11)

So if we are Israel then God did an oops for He made Israel and worked with them for centuries. God is omniscient, (all knowing) and seems to have not realized that a few pharisees could stop His purpose for Israel.

We inherit the rulership with Christ on His own throne in the highest. (Rev.3: 21) And we shall reign `epi` OVER the earth. The Greek word `epi is `on or over.` Thus we need more scriptures as to which.

Hi Marilyn

I’m sorry, your point about the UN and the WCC is a Johnny-come-lately when it comes the apostasy of the Church, when one considers the Magisterial reformation’s intercourse with the kings of the earth. And it really has no application to the reason the merchants are made rich, insomuch it was the secularization of society by apostate Protestantism that enriched the merchants.

As to the assertion of an exhortation in 1 Cor. 11, Romans 7 affirms my point,

Romans 7:
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.

Paul upholds that Israel is divorced in Hosea 1-2, which bars them from being taken back as his bride again for their harlotry. But their husband, Christ, has died releasing them from the law and allowing them to remarry him, which is why Paul said they are now eligible to be espoused, betrothed to the risen Christ,

Romans 7:
4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

I think you need a study on the OT. In Isaiah 14 the LORD conveys that when Jacob/Israel is gathered strangers shall be joined to them, which parallels the conditions expressed in Galatians 6:15-16.

Isaiah 14:
1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

But Christ came to scatter the sheep, not to gather them,

Matthew 13:
24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

The source of Christ’s parables are the scriptures. In Jeremiah’s chapter on the New Covenant, God planned to scatter the sheep, sow them in the wilderness to build and plant, which is one of the sources of Christ’s parable, as I stated,

Jeremiah 31:
27 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will sow the house of Israel and the house of Judah with the seed of man, and with the seed of beast.
28 And it shall come to pass, that like as I have watched over them, to pluck up, and to break down, and to throw down, and to destroy, and to afflict; so will I watch over them, to build, and to plant, saith the LORD.

As supported by Galatians 6:15-16, their gathering exemplifies what is prophesied in Isaiah 14. Again, the gathering mentioned is supported by Galatians 6:15-16 and serves as an example of what is prophesied in Isaiah 14.

You have failed to grasp what the Pharisees failed to note. They failed to see both advents in which the sheep are scattered to help graft the Gentiles onto the olive tree, and then Christ returns to restore the Israel of Galatians 6:15-16.

 

[Marilyn C]

If all would recall, the literal city of Babylon was judged and destroyed by God long ago in 539 BC.

So then, why would God have a remembrance of it, that it should be repeated again, unless of course He has called a judgment and vengeance against another "great city" that was not Babylon, but became like it.
The irony of the name of Babylon being "that Great city", is also declared of as being a "Mystery". So then, if it's a "mystery", we are to conclude that the name Babylon is being applied to another Great city that is not literally the one and only historic Babylon.

Rev. 14:8; 17:18; 18:2,10,16,19,21.
Rev. 21:10.
How it is that another city is "that Great city", called a "Mystery", is not because of a mystery, but rather that the mystery itself is there are two Great cities [named Jerusalem] that God is calling "that Great city", whereby one Great city "is fallen" but the other Great city "is above, is free and is the mother of us all". Gal. 4:6.
Therefore, I percieve that "Jerusalem which now is", is that Great city which "is fallen", and most assuredly did fall in 70AD under the Roman Commander Titus.
Rev. 14:8; 18:2.

Hi Earburner,

The government of Babylon was taken over by the Medes and Persians, then the Greeks and then the Romans. Babylon was never destroyed. People still live there. The ancient ruins are being rebuilt by the USA, UN and the Monuments Fund.

The city of Babylon will finally be destroyed the way God said it would - utterly. (Jer. 51: 63 & 64 Rev. 18: 21)

 

[Marilyn C]

Hi Marilyn

I’m sorry, your point about the UN and the WCC is a Johnny-come-lately when it comes the apostasy of the Church, when one considers the Magisterial reformation’s intercourse with the kings of the earth. And it really has no application to the reason the merchants are made rich, insomuch it was the secularization of society by apostate Protestantism that enriched the merchants.

The West is in great debit while the East is very rich, untold wealth.

Also, businesses, civil society and governments all bow to the Un`s moral values and make then laws. Look on your food packaging and see the `sustainable etc.` That is all to do with the `earth religion.` And you try and speak out against GLB etc or pray near an abortion clinic and you will be fined or put in jail.

 

[Earburner]

Hi Earburner,

The government of Babylon was taken over by the Medes and Persians, then the Greeks and then the Romans. Babylon was never destroyed. People still live there. The ancient ruins are being rebuilt by the USA, UN and the Monuments Fund.

The city of Babylon will finally be destroyed the way God said it would - utterly. (Jer. 51: 63 & 64 Rev. 18: 21)

We all do know that the present reconstruction of a literal historical site in Iraq, is nothing but a facsimile of what Babylon once was like. In other words, it's nothing more than a museum.

The Reconstruction of Babylon Under Saddam Hussein: A Controversial Legacy

During the late 20th century, under the authoritarian rule of Saddam Hussein, Iraq embarked on a highly ambitious and controversial project: the reconstruction of the ancient city of Babylon . This effort was driven by Hussein’s desire to revive Iraq's historical grandeur, link his regime to the il

www.thearchaeologist.org

However, as for your perspective about the UN, I do agree. I see the UN as "the image of the Beast", of which shall seek to cause all people to take "the mark of the Beast", which will be the final stage of the present Global Economic system, utilizing digitized, invisible money, aka a cashless society.

 

[Davy]

So you have Christ join the bride with the goats again upon his return! Tsk, tsk.

Trying to create a 3rd group with the sheep and goats separation by Christ is an UNBELIEVING JEWISH STRATEGY AGAINST CHRIST'S CHURCH.

You only MOCK Jesus Christ with your speaking against His sheep...

John 10:7-11
7 Then said Jesus unto them again, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 All that ever came before Me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.
9 I am the door: by Me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep."
KJV

So you can take your false Jew mocking back to your brethren of the "synagogue of Satan", we know who you really are.

 

[Davy]

Can't answer the challenge so you resort to ad hominem.

Christ's sheep = HIS CHURCH. See John 10 you Jewish deceiver!

 

[ewq1938]

However, as for your perspective about the UN, I do agree. I see the UN as "the image of the Beast", of which shall seek to cause all people to take "the mark of the Beast",

But the image doesn't create or give out the mark. The FP does that, Rev 13.

which will be the final stage of the present Global Economic system, utilizing digitized, invisible money, aka a cashless society.

We do still have cash but the majority of "money" is already digital. Bank accounts don't have real money in them but just numbers in a computer. Cash doesn't have to disappear for the mark to control who buys and sells.

 

[TribulationSigns]

However, as for your perspective about the UN, I do agree. I see the UN as "the image of the Beast", of which shall seek to cause all people to take "the mark of the Beast", which will be the final stage of the present Global Economic system, utilizing digitized, invisible money, aka a cashless society.

Hmm. Do you truly believe that a physical mark, whether a chip, tattoo, etc., on the right hand or forehead, or using a cashless system in order to eat, buy clothing, or shelter over your head, could be harmful to your soul?

And the United Nations is an image of the beast? Sigh...

 

[TribulationSigns]

But the image doesn't create or give out the mark. The FP does that, Rev 13.

Do you even understand who the Second Beast, a false prophet, really is? This has nothing to do with a political entity, bank system, physical nation, or empire at all! You people who believe this nonsense are very wrong. It may sound interesting on the surface because of what you may heard on the news or YouTube, but this is NOT an interpretation of God! Guessing what it is NOT an exegesis!

The mark of the beast is not "time-restrained" because it is a spiritual or allegorical token in Scripture rather than an actual physical mark. It is a term that simply refers to being symbolically branded as owned. The mark is the name of whoever owns you. In Scripture, when members of the external church, such as professed Christians, fall away from the faith and are spiritually brought under servitude to Satan, it is referred to as being marked, designating they are of Satan. It's much like a spiritual brand signifying someone has been deceived and brought under the control of the antichrist spirit. That's why this mark is given by "the False Prophets," as they are messengers of Satan, the false prophets and christs. These antichrist spirits go forth with false teachings to deceive members of God's house because they serve the Devil. This is even as they have an outward form of Godliness. Seeing how this mark is allegorical rather than physical, and it "represents" the spirituual condition of the name, it has been around since God's people have been deceived by false prophets. It has been called many things in Scripture, including having one's name blotted out of the book of life, being cast out from among God's people, or as stars falling from heaven, or being blinded (in part), among other designators indicating this falling away. All these terms signify that Satan has deceived those of God's house so that their spiritual condition has become such that they have apostatized and been branded spiritually as spiritual misfits as children of Satan. The mark represents people of God's house "specifically, who have fallen away to believe the lies of the false prophets and fall away from the faith. For example, the church apostasy.

2nd Thessalonians 2:3

• "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

How can a member of the church fall away, revealing a man of sin? They do so by being deceived by lies from false teachers so that they no longer receive God's truth in love. This falling away is them being spiritually marked of the beast, or being overcome of the false prophet so that they no longer listen to the authority of Truth anymore and instead have pleasure in unrighteousness. This is because Satan has claimed these as his own that they all might be damned as sinful man. In simple terms, they are as thieves usurping the "authority" of God in the Holy Temple that they may rule themselves in His house. This is what it means to be marked of the antichrist spirit. It is the mystery of iniquity, where their iniquity is a secret to them in their spiritual delusion. Only those in the wisdom of Christ can understand what this mark symbolizes and warn the church.

This marking, this receiving the name of God has been going on continually. Even as this sealing, this securing, this naming of the children of God, has been going on for ages. Not anyone being physically marked or sealed by a bank, United Nation or anything like that, but SPIRITUALLY indicating they belong to Israel.

Ezekiel 9:4

• "And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof."

That mark was a sign they were truly God's children that eschewed evil. That's the good mark, Satan's minions or messengers give the bad mark (mark of the beast) signifying those who do not sigh and that cry for all the abominations that are done in the midst of God's people because this iniquity is a mystery or secret to them. Because they are those doing all the abominations in the midst of God's people. The same as it ever was...

Matthew 23:37-38

• "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
• Behold, your house is left unto you desolate."

Abominations lead to desolations, and all of God's children are warned that when they see abominations stand in the Holy Place, flee to the mountains. Those who are marked of the beast, will not ever see the abominations because they are deceived or are the ones perpetrating these abominations, changing God's laws under the guise of "God has said" when God has not said. They weren't saved at one time and then lost their salvation. They were never saved, but they were a part of the people of God (corporately) and were superficially partaking of the Spirit of God's house, and then they fell away, receiving the mark of the beast. In that, they were abandoned and left desolate as a desert land without water. In the Biblical sense, they were blinded, blotted out of the book, marked as those who come under rule of the beast that they might be damned through its deception as false prophets. Because they would not receive the love of truth.

Do you understand what God means by "right hand," specifically? Why is it mentioned as the right hand and not the left? What about the forehead? Instead of turning to YouTube and listening to absurd theories about taking a physical mark on your right hand to show allegiance to the so-called antichrist, why not search for God's interpretation of these terms in Scripture FIRST?!

 

[TribulationSigns]

And some of you may wonder when the mark of the beast started.

The answer is it's like God saying the mystery of iniquity already existed in the world at the time of Paul's writing, but would be greatly revealed in the end times. Or like Christ saying we would always have tribulations, but at the time of the end there will be great tribulations. Likewise, the mark of the beast existed in the world while the church was in building during the millennial period, because there were always antichrists and false prophets (who are the ones giving it) even then. They have always existed in the world as adversaries in the church and were out to deceive God's people. But this spirit was "restrained" while Satan was bound. Remember this! Once loosed, iniquity increases and runs rampant deceiving God's people all over the world. Yes, the rise of false prophets and christs of the Spirit of Satan are loosed after the millennial reign as a judgment upon the house of God. Remember it will only after all Israel are saved/sealed, ie. "after" the Millennial reign!

Revelation 20:7-8

• "And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
• And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea."

That spirit called Satan was doing this "before" He was bound for 1000 years, and it's what He does again after He is loosed when the love of God grows cold. He is bringing those of the church into his snare. Nothing has changed except He has been loosed to increase it throughout the church again. Satan deceived and marked the old testament children of God before He was bound, and He marks and deceives the new testament children of God after he is loosed. More specifically, mark those people in the New Testament congregation of God who HAVE NOT YET SEAL of God.

Rev 9:2-4

• And he opened the bottomless pit; and there arose a smoke out of the pit, as the smoke of a great furnace; and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
• And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth: and unto them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power.
• And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

As with the Old Covenant external congregation, so with the New Covenant external congregation. Because we are no better than Israel was. Only a remnant of the external body is saved, the rest who haven't yet seal are deceived in this apostasy.

Revelation 19:20

• "And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

This doesn't say when they received the mark, only that they did. Notice it says the false prophet deceived them that had the mark. ....meaning they were already Satan's when they were deceived and received the mark. Of course they were, because if they hadn't already been unsaved, they couldn't have been deceived and received the mark. Or to put it another way, you can only receive the mark "IF" you are unsaved to begin with. That's the whole point of being "sealed of God" so that we who worship God are secure and cannot be deceived of Satan because we can never fall.

Matthew 24:24

• "For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."

If it were possible--the point being, it is not possible! Those who are deceived by the false prophet are deceived because they are "Not Elect." They were already dead, having never had a part in the first resurrection (born again), thus they can fall away because they were never secured from falling. That is why God commanded the locusts (aka false prophets and christs) to harm those who have not yet been secured or sealed by God. They are the professed Christians in the congregation who will believe a lie. This is why we need to make sure we are saved, see the rise of false prophets and christs, and witness the abomination of desolation standing in the midst, and to come out of the compromised church to avoid partaking of the plagues (judgment) that is poured upon her where all unsealed professed Christians will believe lies coming out of the mouths of the false prophets.

2nd Peter 1:10

• "Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:"

 

[Earburner]

Hmm. Do you truly believe that a physical mark, whether a chip, tattoo, etc., on the right hand or forehead, or using a cashless system in order to eat, buy clothing, or shelter over your head, could be harmful to your soul?

And the United Nations is an image of the beast? Sigh...

What did you think it will be that separates the sheep from the goats??

Satan is always playing the card of "being like the most high". Isa. 14:14.
As God set a mark on Caine that no one should kill him, Satan shall do same upon all the unsaved!! The "mark" will be used so that his subjects will not be killed.
However, everyone who does NOT have the "mark", they "should be killed". Rev. 13:15.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Satan is always playing the card of "being like the most high". Isa. 14:14.
As God set a mark on Caine that no one should kill him, Satan shall do same upon all the unsaved!! The "mark" will be used so that his subjects will not be killed.
However, everyone who does NOT have the "mark", they "should be killed". Rev. 13:15.

You are confused. You need to read the Scripture and think carefully.

Rev 13:14-17
(14) And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(15) And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
(16) And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
(17) And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Professed Christians are the ones who will be deceived by false prophets and false christs (the beast) with their misleading doctrines infiltrating the Church. Those who refuse to worship the image of the beast and are killed are the Elect, also known as the Two Witnesses. This is how the Two Witnesses will meet their end:

Rev 11:7-8
(7) And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
(8) And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

When the testimony of the Two Witnesses, aimed at securing the Elect, comes to an end, the beast will emerge from the bottomless pit and regain power. This beast will not only deceive those who are not sealed by God but will also overcome and kill the Two Witnesses. Kill, as in silencing the Truthful Testimony. This is referenced in Revelation 13:15, which speaks of the death of those who refuse to worship the false doctrines of the false prophets and false christs. Not talking about massive physical killing of Elect, but our testimony has been silenced in the Church so that the false prophets and christs can prosper and sit (rule) in the temple (church) for a little season.

If you possess the spirit of Christ, you will increasingly notice that many churches are falling away due to lying signs and wonders (false doctrines), as professed Christians prefer these deceptions over the truth of Christ. Selah!

Revelation 13 has NOTHING to do with the United Nations, America, EU, Israel, Russia, computer chips, credit card, physical tattoo, etc.

 

[Earburner]

But the image doesn't create or give out the mark. The FP does that, Rev 13.

Wrong! Read it from the KJV.
First you have to understand who/what the "another beast" that has 2 horns is. It is the USA.
From there in 1945, you will learn who it was that told the people of the world to make an image to the 10 Horned beast [Europe], of which they did. Today we know of it as the UN.
Rev. 13
[11] And I beheld another beast [the USA] coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
[12] And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

[13] And he [2H beast] doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire [WMD] come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
[14] And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the [10H] beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that THEY should MAKE an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
[15] And he [2H beast] had power [authority] to give [political] life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, AND CAUSE that as many as would not worship the IMAGE of the beast should be killed.
[16] And he [the image] CAUSETH all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
[17] And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

If all would recall, the literal city of Babylon was judged and destroyed by God long ago in 539 BC.

So then, why would God have a remembrance of it, that it should be repeated again, unless of course He has called a judgment and vengeance against another "great city" that was not Babylon, but became like it.
The irony of the name of Babylon being "that Great city", is also declared of as being a "Mystery". So then, if it's a "mystery", we are to conclude that the name Babylon is being applied to another Great city that is not literally the one and only historic Babylon.

Rev. 14:8; 17:18; 18:2,10,16,19,21.
Rev. 21:10.
How it is that another city is "that Great city", called a "Mystery", is not because of a mystery, but rather that the mystery itself is there are two Great cities [named Jerusalem] that God is calling "that Great city", whereby one Great city "is fallen" but the other Great city "is above, is free and is the mother of us all". Gal. 4:6.
Therefore, I percieve that "Jerusalem which now is", is that Great city which "is fallen", and most assuredly did fall in 70AD under the Roman Commander Titus.
Rev. 14:8; 18:2.

I don't see any reason to see the great city Babylon as referring to a literal, earthly city any more than I think we should understand Babylon as being a literal woman/prostitute even though it is also described that way. I see it as the exact spiritual opposite of the holy city, the new heavenly Jerusalem which is "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Revelation 21:9). So, I see all people on earth as being citizens either of the holy city heavenly Jerusalem or of the great city Babylon.

 

[Earburner]

I don't see any reason to see the great city Babylon as referring to a literal, earthly city any more than I think we should understand Babylon as being a literal woman/prostitute even though it is also described that way. I see it as the exact spiritual opposite of the holy city, the new heavenly Jerusalem which is "the bride, the Lamb's wife" (Revelation 21:9). So, I see all people on earth as being citizens either of the holy city heavenly Jerusalem or of the great city Babylon.

I would agree with you 100%, but there is the gnawing dilemma of "Mystery, Babylon the Great" being "carried" by the beast with 7 Heads having 10 horns, and was no "rider" of those 7 heads, as many church doctrines want to claim. Rev. 17:7

So then, let's look at those 7 heads in which M,BTG [Jerusalem which now is] did "SIT upon". Rev. 17:3,7,9.
Let's not forget that the 1st head of that 7 headed 10 Horn Beast was king Belshazzar's Babylon. It was the first kingdom to carry "that great city" Jerusalem.
Thus we begin counting the "7 heads" in Daniel 7:1-7
BABYLON-1 HEAD
MEDIO-PERSIA- 1 HEAD
GRECIAN EMPIRE-4 HEADS
ROMAN EMPIRE-1 HEAD
Total= 7 heads [figurative "mountains"]

Maybe today WE ALL can see who "the 8th head" is, that is "carrying" her now. Rev. 17:11.
Knowing that the 8th head IS OF the 7, it is safe to conclude that the USA, who is "another [additional] beast", is of itself that 8th head.
Rev. 17
[11] And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition [destruction].

 

[TribulationSigns]

I would agree with you 100%, but there is the gnawing dilemma of "Mystery, Babylon the Great" being "carried" by the beast with 7 Heads having 10 horns, and was no "rider" of those 7 heads, as many church doctrines want to claim. Rev. 17:7

Rev 17:3-7
(3) So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.

In this vision, John was taken to the wilderness where the church can be found preaching the gospel:
Rev 12:5-6
(5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
(6) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

This woman, now representing the New Testament congregation (the one that Christ rebuilt after the fall of the Old Testament congregation) is now in the world (wilderness) preaching the gospel which is a manna for the church to eat.

(4) And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
(5) And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
(6) And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.
(7) And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

It is a mystery for many people, even Christians, today because they would not believe or like the idea that the church can become a whore. The Lord is talking about the unfaithful corporate congregation running by false prophets and christs which rules over the unsaved people of the congregation (beast). She sits (rules) over them.

So then, let's look at those 7 heads in which M,BTG [Jerusalem which now is] did "SIT upon". Rev. 17:3,7,9.

The seven heads have nothing to do withthe physical city of Jersualem.

Let's not forget that the 1st head of that 7 headed 10 Horn Beast was king Belshazzar's Babylon. It was the first kingdom to carry "that great city" Jerusalem.

First, you need to understand that the woman is Covenant Israel or Congregation Israel, which BOTH Old Testament Israel and New Testament Church represent. The beast is the body of people with the spirit of Satan. They are responsible for the blood of those in the congregation who are chosen into Christ's covenant.

Thus we begin counting the "7 heads" in Daniel 7:1-7
BABYLON-1 HEAD
MEDIO-PERSIA- 1 HEAD
GRECIAN EMPIRE-4 HEADS
ROMAN EMPIRE-1 HEAD
Total= 7 heads [figurative "mountains"]

Maybe today WE ALL can see who "the 8th head" is that is "carrying" her now. Rev. 17:11.

Rev 17:9-10
(9) And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
(10) And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The 7 heads (symbolizing authority) "are" also seven mountains (symbolizing kingdoms) are seven kings (symbolizing rule). So the seven heads (signifying authority and leadership) are all actually 7 kings (signifying rule). It is all interconnected symbolism. Not only is the 7 kings symbolic, but we read the 7 kings are 7 mountains, which is also symbolic. The 7 heads are actually seven periods of the authoritative rule of the beast, which in totality is its complete rule throughout time. That's why 5 were already fallen at the Cross. So we can't say a head is not a king or a horn is not a king, or a horn is not a head, because it's all symbolical and tied intimately together to paint a bigger picture of a powerful kingdom and its reign.
The "one is" was when the power of Satan's kingdom was taken (by Christ at the Cross) for a 1,000 years so that Christ can build the Church. After the building of the church and the sealing of all Elect is finished, the seventh head is when the power was restored to Satan's kingdom. So back in Revelation 13:1, Satan's power throughout the completeness of time. The number 7 signifies this, the heads signifying his authority or rule throughout this time. Remember you read in Revelation that the little horn (power) comes up as the eighth, but God makes sure to note that it is "of the 7". Because all must be within the completeness of this kingdom rule before Christ returns.

Revelation 17:11

• "And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

That's because the 7 represents the completeness of his authority to rule, so the eight has to be of the seven, and not after the 7th.

The image of the Beast out of the earth in Revelation 13:11 is to illustrate the great apostasy in the church prior to Second Coming, when Satan is loosed from his prison to bring the false prophets of the world up against the camp of the saints. Which I believe is taking place right now.

 

[Marilyn C]

We all do know that the present reconstruction of a literal historical site in Iraq, is nothing but a facsimile of what Babylon once was like. In other words, it's nothing more than a museum.

The Reconstruction of Babylon Under Saddam Hussein: A Controversial Legacy

During the late 20th century, under the authoritarian rule of Saddam Hussein, Iraq embarked on a highly ambitious and controversial project: the reconstruction of the ancient city of Babylon . This effort was driven by Hussein’s desire to revive Iraq's historical grandeur, link his regime to the il

www.thearchaeologist.org

However, as for your perspective about the UN, I do agree. I see the UN as "the image of the Beast", of which shall seek to cause all people to take "the mark of the Beast", which will be the final stage of the present Global Economic system, utilizing digitized, invisible money, aka a cashless society.

Yes, a reconstruction of Babylon. However, it has not sunk from what God will do yet. (Jer. 51: 63 & 64. Rev. 18: 21)