The end of the world, as taught by Christ, separates the wicked from the just at the harvest, and it is coming for you.

[Scott Downey]

That coming new heaven and new earth is going to be a completely different reality.

 

[CadyandZoe]

When Christ returns, the separating out of one from the other, both who are in this world occurs.

Did Jesus say that when he comes, it would be the end of the world? I don't think he did.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Agree. Passages like that show that the saved and the lost will all be gathered at the same time at the end of the age/world (Greek: aion) which is when Jesus returns (Matt 24:3) with the saved inheriting "the kingdom of their Father" since Jesus will be delivering the kingdom to the Father at that time (1 Cor 15:22-24) in the form of the eternal new heavens and new earth and the unsaved being cast into the fire at that time. It's the same thing Jesus taught in passages like Matthew 13:47-50 and Matthew 25:31-46. Jesus clearly taught Amillennialism and not Premillennialism.

Where did Jesus say that he was coming at the end of the world?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well the construct shows they asked three questions not two. I will go with what is written and not with what some try to guess the "spiritual meaning".

I'm not taking a "spiritual meaning" to it. Good grief, man. Please grow up. It can, even as written, be seen as two or three questions. We agree that His second coming and the end of the age occur at the same time, right? So, with that being the case, I don't think it really matters if we see it as two or three questions.

Yes when Jesus physically returns, they will be saved and unsaved. That is the judgment of Matt. 25: 31-46. They will not have mortal bodies- they are saved.

And, what does He say happens to the unsaved at that point (Matt 25:41)? They are cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels".

According to Isaiah, these survivors will have children and the children will have till their 100th birthday to accept Christ or Jesus will kill them. He rules with a rod of iron.

Who are these survivors? You said above that they saved at that point will not have mortal bodies. It says the unsaved will be cast into everlasting fire at that point. So, who are these mortal survivors that you're talking about? And, why are you interpreting Isaiah 65:17-25 in such a way that contradicts Revelation 21:1-5?

As for the tares, they will be cast into the place of torments until the great white throne judgment, when they will be cast into the lake of fire, after their bodies are resurrected and they are joined with their bodies once more..

I disagree. I think "the furnace of fire" Jesus said they will be cast into is the same as the lake of fire. But, do you then have the wheat having immortal bodies at that point the same way you understand the sheep/saved in Matthew 25:31-46? If so, where do the mortals come from that you think will populate the earth at that point?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where did Jesus say that he was coming at the end of the world?

You saw that I said "the world/age", right? And I did reference Matthew 24:3 in that post. The Greek word is aion. It's a word that describes time rather than a place. So, look at this...

Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world (age, Greek: aion)?

Do you think that Jesus will come at some other time than at the end of the world/age? If so, do you think the disciples asked 3 entirely separate questions in the Olivet Discourse?

 

[Scott Downey]

Did Jesus say that when he comes, it would be the end of the world? I don't think he did.

This and also by inference from other scriptures, Like Peter says in 2 Peter 3, we know it is the end of the world and the beginning of a new world.
Specifically though, Matthew 24

2 Peter 3, this is the Day Christ returns

The Day of the Lord​

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Hebrews 2:5
For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.

Hebrews 6:5
And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

Hebrews 1
10 And:
“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”

Revelation 6

Sixth Seal: Cosmic Disturbances​

12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and [g]behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the [h]moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky [i]receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, [j]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”


Matthew 24
1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.

11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

 

[CadyandZoe]

You saw that I said "the world/age", right?

The end of the age isn't necessarily the end of the world.

Do you think that Jesus will come at some other time than at the end of the world/age?God spoke to Ezekiel, addressing him directly with the words, "Son of man, this place is where My throne will be established, and it is here that the soles of My feet will rest. This is where I choose to dwell among the sons of Israel forever." The absence of a temple would render God's promise to Ezekiel unfulfilled. In his vision, Ezekiel further depicted a prince destined to reside within the temple. This prince, identified as the Messianic figure, is none other than Jesus Christ. He would inhabit the temple and reign over the world, fulfilling the Davidic Covenant and overseeing a restored Israel. The imagery portrayed conveys a profound promise of divine presence and governance, permeating the spiritual restoration of the people.

He comes at the end of the Age, not the end of the World.

If so, do you think the disciples asked 3 entirely separate questions in the Olivet Discourse?

They were asking one question three different ways. Jesus told his disciples that the temple would be torn down and destroyed. This would have come as quite a shock. For many Jews, the Temple was the heart of their faith, the place where God's presence dwelt and where His covenant with Israel was reaffirmed through worship and sacrifice. To see it reduced to ruins would have been deeply unsettling.

God spoke to Ezekiel and told him, "Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell among the sons of Israel forever." Without a temple, God's word to Ezekiel would fail. Ezekiel also described a prince who would live in the temple. The Prince of Ezekiel 37 is a Messianic figure, Jesus Christ, who would live in the temple and rule over the world. fulfilling the Davidic Covenant and reigning over a restored Israel.

The disciples held a deep conviction that Jesus would ascend to his rightful position as King, poised to make his grand entrance into Jerusalem through the magnificent temple complex. They envisioned this moment as the fulfillment of the ancient Davidic covenant, anticipating that it would herald not only a restoration of Israel's glory but also the defeat of Rome and the subjugation of all their adversaries. In their minds, the image of a foreign army laying waste to the temple ran counter to their hopes and expectations of a triumphant Messiah, whose reign would bring peace and liberation to their people.

Malachi 3:1“Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will clear the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming,” says the Lord of hosts.​

The prophet Malachi says that God is going to send his messenger (and we know him to be Jesus Christ) who will come suddenly to his temple. Without a temple, God's word will fail. And so the disciples, upon hearing that the temple would be destroyed, questioned whether he was the one of whom the prophet spoke. If the sign of your coming doesn't involve the temple as Malachi said, then what IS the sign of your coming?

Matthew 24:3​

As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”​

the end of the age
The end of the age isn't the end of the world, or the beginning of the New Heavens and the new earth. The end of the Age is the restoration of Israel, and the age when God rules over Israel and the entire world. This age is known as the "Day of the Lord."
The Day of the Lord is understood as a time when God exercises His rule over the earth, bringing judgment and restoration. In biblical prophecy, it refers to divine intervention in world events.

Many passages describe the Day of the Lord as a time when God will judge the nations, defeat His enemies, and establish His kingdom. Zechariah 14:9 states, “The LORD will be king over all the earth”, reinforcing the idea that this day marks a transition to God’s direct reign over humanity.

According to Jesus, God will allow his temple to be utterly destroyed, which is a contradictory picture as compared to the Day of the Lord.

 

[CadyandZoe]

This and also by inference from other scriptures, Like Peter says in 2 Peter 3, we know it is the end of the world and the beginning of a new world.

The Day of the Lord is not the time of the New Heavens and the New Earth.