I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

[Behold]

And, as I’ve educated you repeatedly – the Word of God says that you CAN lose your security by your OWN doing . . .

A Christian can't stop being born again.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and FALL FROM YOUR SECURE POSITION.

The Christian's " eternally secure position" is "in Christ", and "one with God"......so...the Christian can't Fall from this spiritual union, as its eternal.

But you can be led away by false doctrine, and "fall from Grace", and end up in a Cult.......such as the MaryCult.

Paul teaches this as....>"who has BEWITCHED YOU.....that you no longer obey the TRUTH"..

So, that Christian is still a Christian, but they are a deceived one.......as some CULT now owns their mind, such as the MaryCult, or Mary Baker Eddy, or Mormonism.

Why don’t YOU educate me, Einstein.

You are not very theologically intelligent , according to all your posts... but you sure are a very loud MaryCult person.

What do YOU think He meant by “enduring to the END”??

I explained it to you already in a previous post.

And there you go again with the same tired mantra about “MaryCult” manure.
Every time you LOSE an argument – it’s back to the same nonsense.

I agree with you about the MaryCult being religious manure.
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[BreadOfLife]

When Paul told all real christians........"to be a follower of Me, as i follow Chirst" he is obviously not telling anyone to worship Him.

Correct - so YOU need to stop doing that . . .

What he's explaining is that He is the prime example.. he is the author of the NT Church Doctrine........so, we are to "follow him"... because He is the example by Doctrine and Ministry that all Christians are to emulate........ = "follow ME... as i follow Christ"..

No - GOD is.
Paul is NOT God - and he'd be the first one to correct you about that . . .

Never worry that a Christian is "bowing to Paul"..

I don't worry about Chrisatians doing that. WE don't.
I'm speaking to YOU . . .

 

[Behold]

Correct - so YOU need to stop doing that . . .

I teach Paul's Theology, and it does not allow a cult to exist, as anything else.

No - GOD is.
Paul is NOT God - and he'd be the first one to correct you about that . . .

Paul is not God.
Paul is however, the greatest Christian whoever lived.
Jesus was not a Christian, as a Christian is a sinner who is forgiven, and given "the Gift of Salvaiton" so that that they become a "Son-Daugther" of God.......BORN....again, Spiritually, and that is not by water.
Paul started out as a Top Pharisee, born of the Tribe of Benjamin.... who was murdering Chrisitans and ended up writing all the Doctrine for the NT Church, and personally also received from Jesus = "THE GOSPEL"... , and this is why Paul tells us that THE GOSPEL...is "MY Gospel". = 3x in the NT.\

See Galatians 1:8 for the update on "Paul's Gospel".

Paul is the ultimate "Trophy of God's Grace".........so, in this we all can find out just how wonderful and just how powerful is the Grace of God, when it completely and ultimately changes an unbelieving sinner into a Saint.

I don't worry about Chrisatians doing that. WE don't.

You are speaking to me from the point of view of a Satanic Belief System.
So, this is why Paul's truth seems to you, to be : NOISE.

Peter said that Paul's Epistle were "Scripture"........... but to you, they are just that annoying set of 13 epistile that spotlights the CC as the "Cult of Mary".

 

[BreadOfLife]

A Christian can't stop being born again.

Correct.
But he can DIE spiritually by hos OWN doing . . .
(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

The Christian's " eternally secure position" is "in Christ", and "one with God"......so...the Christian can't Fall from this spiritual union, as its eternal.

But you can be led away by false doctrine, and "fall from Grace"

So, that Christian is still a Christian, but they are a deceived one.......as some CULT now owns their mind Eddy, or Mormonism.

Sooooo - you actually believe that a Christian can fall from grace, join a CULT - and still be "saved"?? To "Fall from Grace" literally means to LOSE grace.

Give me the Biblical proof for that one, Einstein.
Chapte and Verse, please . . .

You are not very theologically intelligent , according to all your posts... but you sure are a very loud MaryCult person.

Translation:
"I've LOST this debate, so now it's time to resort to moronic insults!"

I explained it, already.

Yes - and I corrected you . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I teach Paul's Theology, and it does not allow a cult to exist, as anything else.

Well - YOU'RE sure doing yout darndest to start one.
And you teach your OWN abberrant theology - not Paul's . . .

Paul is not God.
Paul is however, the greatest Christian whoever lived.
Jesus was not a Christian, as a Christian is a sinner who is forgiven, and given "the Gift of Salvaiton" so that that they become a "Son-Daugther" of God.......BORN....again, Spiritually, and that is not by water.
Paul started out as a Top Pharisee, born of the Tribe of Benjamin.... who was murdering Chrisitans and ended up writing all the Doctrine for the NT Church, and personally also received from Jesus = "THE GOSPEL"... , and this is why Paul tells us that THE GOSPEL...is "MY Gospel". = 3x in the NT.\

See Galatians 1:8 for the update on "Paul's Gospel".

Paul is the ultimate "Trophy of God's Grace".........so, in this we all can find out just how wonderful and just how powerful is the Grace of God, when it completely and ultimately changes an unbelieving sinner into a Saint.

Your worship of Paul is completely OUT of control - and he wold be the FIRST one to rebuke you. How would YOU know who the "greatest Chriustian who EVER live is??

There have been 2000 years of faithful Christians. That's for GOD to decide - NOT you.

You are speaking to me from the point of view of a Satanic Belief System.
So, this is why Paul's truth seems to you, to be : NOISE.

Peter said that Paul's Epistle were "Scripture" but to you, they are just that annoying set of 13 epistile that spotlights the CC as the "Cult of Mary".

No - Paul's Epistle ARE Scripture.
YOU, however, have elevated him to the position of a god by giving HIM the credit as "Author".

The Holy Spirit is the AUTHOR of ALL Scripture - and it is HE who inspired the men who wrote it down.

 

[Behold]

Correct.
But he can DIE spiritually by hos OWN doing . . .
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Impossible,

as the only way to do that is to SIN........and Jesus has forgiven a Christian's Sin, as otherwise they would still be a sinner, and not a Christian, and not a Saint., and not a Son-Daughter of God.

Sooooo - you actually believe that a Christian can fall from grace, join a CULT - and still be "saved"?? To "Fall from Grace" literally means to LOSE grace.

Listen..
to "fall from Grace" means that you once understood God's Grace as The Cross of Christ, = as God's Free and eternal redemption.

But later, something happen to your understanding of God's Grace, and it became hidden from you, because some false teacher led you into decepiton.

Now we are talking about Gal 3:1 and Hebrews 13:9........so, this "falling from Grace" is a Christian.........who is now "in the flesh".

Whereas, if you are not born again, and are justa cult member who is water baptism.....then you're not a Christian........you've never had God's Grace, and so you cant fall from what you never possesed.
So, this one, needs to become a Chrisitan..

Give me the Biblical proof for that one, Einstein.
Chapte and Verse, please . . .

Hebrews 13:9

Galatians 3:1

Translation:
"I've LOST this debate, so now it's time to resort to moronic insults!"

Yes - and I corrected you . . .

You always pretend that you correct everyone, and its really quite comedic.

So, What happens with our discussion, is that you can't understand what i teach that is really just the basics of NT theology, designed by Paul...., so, that explains your entire theological issue.

You cant even explain the "blood atonement" or what Jesus "finished" on the Cross......unless you run and go and search and read and search and try to understand it...and then you'll post some nonsense, and say...>"Gotcha'.

Listen, a Cult that owns your mind and while i could blame them for your carnal attitude problem., i will just hold you accountable. @BreadOfLife

 

[Dan Clarkston]

A Christian can't stop being born again.

A Christian can in fact become corrupt if they sow to the flesh reaping corruption (Gal 6:7,8)

Galatians 6:7-8 (see Gen 8:22)
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.

This is a major biblical truth the OSAS crowd always explains away or denies is simply this... God is NOT mocked, what we sow is what we reap - if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption. (Gal 6:7,8)

In Gal 6:8, the word corruption is...

G5356
fthora from G5351; decay, i.e. ruin -- corruption, destroy, perish.

G5351
strengthened from phthio (to pine or waste); properly, to shrivel or wither, i.e. to spoil or to ruin, by moral influences, to deprave): -- corrupt (self), defile, destroy.

If one claims we DO reap corruption when we sin, then they are admitting they do not believe OSAS / Eternal security doctrine (and sadly many of their friends will forsake them!).... and if one claims we DO NOT reap what we sow, then according to Gal 6:7, that would be mocking God!

Adam and Eve were given eternal life by the Lord when He created them... but when they sinned against God they became corrupt and died spiritually and became separated from God. So Gal 6:7,8 is quite the quandary, quite the state of uncertainty and perplexity for the adherents of OSAS doctrine.

I don't worry about Chrisatians doing that. WE don't.
I'm speaking to YOU . . .

But you instead bow to mary

That's rich that someone who bows to mary trying to correct someone who bows to Paul

 

[Behold]

Well - YOU'RE sure doing yout darndest to start one . . .

Christianity is not a Cult.
Its the "cult of Mary" and similar who are the Cults.

Your worship of Paul is completely OUT of control -

I only teach Paul's Doctrine as there is no other given to the Christians, as found in a NT.

You dont know this because your cult and your lack of bible study, have kept you away from what you needed to know.

There have been 2000 years of faithful Christians. That's for GOD to decide - NOT you.

Jesus is Eternal Life, and He is inside all the Born again......so, that has "decided" who has Etenral Life and why it can't be ended.

No - Paul's Epistle ARE Scripture.

And another of Paul's verses that you refused is..

"be a follower of Me, as i follow Christ".....

So, keep following Mary and your church traditions.....as that is what you prefer.
Use your Free Will as you decide to continue to use it.

The Holy Spirit is the AUTHOR of ALL Scripture - and it is HE who inspired the men who wrote it down.

Paul wrote most of the NT Epistiles and all the doctrine for the Church.

 

[Behold]

A Christian can in fact become corrupt if they sow to the flesh reaping corruption (Gal 6:7,8)

And they are still a Christian., as you can't stop being born again.

God gave man free will... if man chooses to turn and walk away from the Lord, God will let them do so.

A Christian can't walk away from being born again.. and a Christiasn can't stop being "IN Christ".

See, all this "walking away"....is in your mind.......so, it has nothing to do with being born again, which is a Eternal Spiritual Reality.

This is a major biblical truth the OSAS crowd always explains away or denies is simply this... God is NOT mocked, what we sow is what we reap - if we sow to the flesh we shall of the flesh reap corruption. (Gal 6:7,8)

The OSAS "crowd " are the people who are obsessed on it.,and cant stop talking about it.
Real Christians are not interested in any of that nonsense.
These "OSAS" obsessed, are the people who dont understand God's Grace, and dont want to understand it

 

[MatthewG]

And they are still a Christian., as you can't stop being born again.




A Christian can't walk away from being born again.. and a Christiasn can't stop being "IN Christ".

See, all this "walking away"....is in your mind.......so, it has nothing to do with being born again, which is a Eternal Spiritual Reality.



The OSAS "crowd " are the people who are obsessed on it.,and cant stop talking about it.
Real Christians are not interested in any of that nonsense.
These "OSAS" obsessed, are the people who dont understand God's Grace, and dont want to understand it

valid points, only I do believe people can walk away from God. However can come back, there is loss there in some form or another. Spiritually, maybe materially even.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

I only teach Paul's Doctrine as there is no other given to the Christians, as found in a NT.

Maybe someday you'll step up to believe in and follow the Doctrine of Christ which is what Paul was advocating

Paul was assigned by the Lord to be used by the Lord to be a conduit for the continued teaching ministry of Jesus Christ but this is false doctrine that Paul followed a different Gospel than the Gospel of the Kingdom that come by grace thru faith... no faith = no grace.

Those that follow Paul making an idol out of him are doing the same thing the catholics are doing with mary.

It's time to throw out the Paul statue and quit being carnal...

1 Corinthians 3:3,4
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?

Being a follower of Paul is being carnal minded.

 

[BreadOfLife]

But you instead bow to mary View attachment 63448
That's rich that someone who bows to mary trying to correct someone who bows to Paul View attachment 63449

No - I bow to God.
You're mistakig prayerful posture to bowing in "worshp". That's a coomon blunder among the ignorant.


Is this "worship" - or something else??
Learn the difference, my ifnorant friend . . .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

That's a coomon blunder among the ignorant.

Well then knock it off and do better!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Yup – passed down through Apostolic Succession.
This was the way it was done, since there was NO Canon of Scripture for the first 400 years.

Thanks for acknowledging that . .

no canon, but they all followed the teachings from the apostles through the letters written throughout the church. Not Aposstolic succession. As God dictated in Acts 1:

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

To be in the office of Apostle one had to be a witness of the resurrection. So there is no apostolic succession.

NOT necessarily.
John 21 says that Jesus did MANY things that weren’t written down before He ascended to the Father.

Do you honestly believe these things weren’t important??
EVERYTHING Jesus said and did was important.

But not everything was canonized into Scripture which is what is profitable for doctrine, reproof, instruction and correction so the man of God will be fully equipped. NOthing about oral traditions which may or may not be from the Lor4d or even accurate.

I have dozens more examples - but they would take too much space .

And I have dozen more examples that prove your guys wrong. So we could argue linguistic specialists.

And Kepha is the greek for Cephas and means rock. Sorry but the rock the church is built on is not a man with a name but the fact that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the Living god!

Until he was killed by Herod - then Clopas became the Bishop of Jerusalem - and Peter was in ROME . .

And He was never called Pontiff of the church. He never led the church as a pope.

They ALL ran – but He prayed for Peter ALONE to bring them back.
Why didn't Hw just pray for ALL of them?? He prayed for the LEADER . . .

Well if you read the context you would know!

Luke 22:31-32​

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King James Version​

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31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Jesus p[rayed because Satan asked to sift Peter and it was granted.

Soooo – WHY didn’t Jesus also ask the others to feed His sheep? Why did Her take Peter aside and nobody else?

Because Peter denied the Lord three times, so Jesus told Him three times to care for sheep. Are you implying the other Apostles did not feed the sheep?

You left them OUT because they al destroy your position in context . . .

No to save space.

What’s the significance of that? He rebuked his behavior – not his theology.

Which denied Peters theology in an area! Our actions show our doctrine.

Catherine convinced the Pope of an error, which is th e duty of all saints. Paul openly rebukes whom you hypothesize what the Pontificus Maximus and Vicarius Christi!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Christianity is not a Cult.

Corect.
However, Paul Worship IS . . .

I only teach Paul's Doctrine as there is no other given to the Christians, as found in a NT.

You dont know this because your cult and your lack of bible study, have kept you away from what you needed to know.

This is an extremely ignorant and Scripturally-bankrupt statement.
ALL FOUR Gospels, Acts and every other non-Pauline Epstle is FULL of Christian doctrine.

Paul didn't have exclusivity on this - YOUR worship of him, notwoithstanding . . ..

Jesus is Eternal Life, and He is inside all the Born again......so, that has "decided" who has Etenral Life and why it can't be ended.

He doesn't say it can't be ended.
Oh, contrare . . . (Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

YOU ned to learn what "CONTEXT" means, son . . .

And another of Paul's verses that you refused is..

"be a follower of Me, as i follow Christ".....

So, keep following Mary and your church traditions.....as that is what you prefer.
Use your Free Will as you decide to continue to use it.

I don't "refuse" any of Paul's writings.
I simply don;t WORSHIP him as YOU do . . .

Paul wrote most of the NT Epistiles and ALL the DOCTRINE for the Church..

Really??
So, PAUL and Paul ALONE is the one who formulated –
- The Trinity?
- The Authority if Scripture?
- God is infinite?
- God is merciful?
- God is Omnipresent?
- God is Omniscient?
- Creation from nothing?
- Sin and Death – and ALL of the other doctrines??

YOUR problem – on top of being a PAUL WORSHIPPER –
Don'y just read the Scriptures - STUDY them in CONTEXT . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

no canon, but they all followed the teachings from the apostles through the letters written throughout the church. Not Aposstolic succession. As God dictated in Acts 1:

21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us,

22 Beginning from the baptism of John, unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

To be in the office of Apostle one had to be a witness of the resurrection. So there is no apostolic succession.

Funny how you left OUT the verse that precedes this . . .
Acts 1:20
“For it is written in the Book of Psalms, “‘May his camp become desolate, and let there be no one to dwell in it’; and “‘Let another take his OFFICE.’

The Greek word used here for “Office” is “Bishopric”, which ius a SUCCESSIVE office. We know this by the succession Bishops like Timothy.

History tells us that Clopas succeeded James as Bishop of Jerusalem, Ignatius succeeded Pater in Antioch and so on.

But NOT everything was canonized into Scripture which is what is profitable for doctrine, reproof, instruction and correction so the man of God will be fully equipped.

Sooo, you actually believe that ALL of the things that Jesus said and did - which John said could not fill ALL of the books ever written - were NOT profitable??

Good luck telling HIM that at your Judgement . . .

NOthing about oral traditions which may or may not be from the Lor4d or even accurate.

WRONG.

As I already pointed out – 2 Thess. Instructs us to adhere to BOTH Tradition AND Scripture:
2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

And I have dozen more examples that prove your guys wrong. So we could argue linguistic specialists.

And Kepha is the greek for Cephas and means rock. Sorry but the rock the church is built on is not a man with a name but the fact that Jesus is the Christ, the son of the Living god!

Then produce some of them
The “Rock” spoken of in Matt. 16:18 is Peter – not Jesus.

A couple more examples of Protestant scholarship supporting Peter as the Rock of Matt. 16:18 . . .
Donald Hagner (Contemporary Evangelical)
"The frequent attempts that have been made, largely in the past, to deny [that Peter is the rock in favor of the view that the confession itself is the rock . . . seem to be largely motivated by Protestant prejudice against a passage that is used by the Catholics to justify the papacy"
(Word Biblical Commentary 33b:470).

David Hill (Presbyterian)
“It is on Peter himself, the confessor of his Messiahship, that Jesus will build the Church…Attempts to interpret the ‘rock’ as something other than Peter in person (e.g., his faith, the truth revealed to him) are due to Protestant bias, and introduce to the statement a degree of subtlety which is highly unlikely.” (The Gospel of Matthew, New Century Bible Commentary [Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1972], 261)

And He was never called Pontiff of the church. He never led the church as a pope.

Well if you read the context you would know!

Luke 22:31-32​

King James Version​

31 And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:
32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

Jesus p[rayed because Satan asked to sift Peter and it was granted.

Because Peter denied the Lord three times, so Jesus told Him three times to care for sheep. Are you implying the other Apostles did not feed the sheep?

WRONG.
THIS is what Jesus said:

Luke 22:31
“Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift ALLof you as wheat. But I have prayed for YOU, SIMON, that YOUR faith may not fail. And when YOU have turned back, strengthen YOUR brothers.”

They were ALL sifted like wheat - NOT just Peter. Peter is singled-out as the LEADER here. Grammatically, it doesn’t even make sense to say that only ONE person is “sifted like wheat.”

Because Peter denied the Lord three times, so Jesus told Him three times to care for sheep. Are you implying the other Apostles did not feed the sheep?

Not at ALL. Like Peter - the Pope feeds the sheep – as every other Priest and Bishop does.
He is simply the Chief earthly Shepherd.

Which denied Peters theology in an area! Our actions show our doctrine.

Peter’s actions had nothing to do with his doctrinal teachings.
It was simply an error in judgement – and EVERYBODY makes thos.

Catherine convinced the Pope of an error, which is th e duty of all saints. Paul openly rebukes whom you hypothesize what the Pontificus Maximus and Vicarius Christi!Catherine convinced the Pope of an error, which is th e duty of all saints. Paul openly rebukes whom you hypothesize what the Pontificus Maximus and Vicarius Christi!

Catherine convinced the Pope to return to Rome. She DIDN’T correct him on any matter of doctrine.
This is the SAME case with Peter and Paul.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Funny how you left OUT the verse that precedes this . . .

Well you failed to post the entire Bible too!

 

[BreadOfLife]

But you instead bow to mary View attachment 63448

That's rich that someone who bows to mary trying to correct someone who bows to Paul View attachment 63449

No - I bow to God.
You're mistakig prayerful posture to bowing in "worshp". That's a common blunder among those who make it a habit to falselu accuse others. The Bible says that ALL Liars winn have NO share in the Kingdom of Heaven (Rev. 21:8) - so you ight wanna be careful . . .


Is this "worship" - or something else??
Learn the difference, my ifnorant friend . . .

 

[Behold]

valid points, only I do believe people can walk away from God.

The Christian can't stop being born again......as this is a spiritual birth that caused them to become a Christian.

We can't do that of ourselves, and we can't undo that, as this is God caused and its eternal.

The believer, who is born again, now exists in spiritual union with Jesus as "In Christ", and with God as "one with God".

This is unchangable, because its based on Faith in Christ, being received by God that allows God to perform the eternal spiritual birth of the Believer's spirit.

Being born again, is not some trying to be like Christ performance..... it actually a eternal spiritual restoration regarding what Adam the 1st Lost for us all.
And the reason its God kept on our behalf forever, is because it Christ caused.

"God who started salvation in all the born again......will HIMSELF be FAITHFUL to complete it"...

Welcome to : Eternal Life

Welcome to : Eternal Security

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I respect that Pope Francis stood for Jesus native language in this brief snippet with Israel's Benjamin.