I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity

[Rockerduck]

Classic example of accepting one thing Jesus said while ignoring His warnings that prove OSAS is false.

Rejecting the whole counsel of God and Cherry pickin at it's finest!

a Classic case of talking without scriptures.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Nice job avoiding the topic. Where does Scripture say all things "must be first filtered and approved through" it. If your argument is based on "profitable" then you're in big trouble. It's amazing how you folks believe things not in Scripture and deny things that are.

Tell me one thing I deny from Scripture.

Tell me do you believe Muhammed is a godly man? If not why not? Where did you learn to judge whether Muhammed is a man of God or not?

If one establishes a doctrine that is contrary than what is found in Scripture- which will you believe?

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

What other teachings do you believe can make the same truthful claim?

Inspiration is "theospneuthos" or God breathed.
ophelimos is profitable and means advantageous.
doctrine is didaskilos- teaching and precepts
reproof is elegchos- and means evidence or that which something is tested by.
correction is epanorthosis and means that which sets something right

instruction in righteousness means the whole training by which one can attain virtue and honor.

What else is there out there that does the samke by god.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Funny how you left OUT the verse that precedes this . . .
Acts 1:20
“For it is written in the Book of Psalms, “‘May his camp become desolate, and let there be no one to dwell in it’; and “‘Let another take his OFFICE.’

The Greek word used here for “Office” is “Bishopric”, which ius a SUCCESSIVE office. We know this by the succession Bishops like Timothy.

History tells us that Clopas succeeded James as Bishop of Jerusalem, Ignatius succeeded Pater in Antioch and so on.

Yes for Bishops, but not for Apostles.
When John died near the end of the first century, the apostolic office vanished. the foundation had been laid by the Apostles, their teachings preserved, and since then we adhere to their teachings. there are no apostles who make new doctrine.

All apostles were Bishops, but not all Bishops are apostles.

 

[nedsk]

Tell me one thing I deny from Scripture.

Tell me do you believe Muhammed is a godly man? If not why not? Where did you learn to judge whether Muhammed is a man of God or not?

If one establishes a doctrine that is contrary than what is found in Scripture- which will you believe?

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

What other teachings do you believe can make the same truthful claim?

Inspiration is "theospneuthos" or God breathed.
ophelimos is profitable and means advantageous.
doctrine is didaskilos- teaching and precepts
reproof is elegchos- and means evidence or that which something is tested by.
correction is epanorthosis and means that which sets something right

instruction in righteousness means the whole training by which one can attain virtue and honor.

What else is there out there that does the samke by god.

I notice you didn't answer my question. I don't expect you ever will but I've danced this dance with you folks hundreds not time. It's the same song and the same dance.

Yes for Bishops, but not for Apostles.
When John died near the end of the first century, the apostolic office vanished. the foundation had been laid by the Apostles, their teachings preserved, and since then we adhere to their teachings. there are no apostles who make new doctrine.

All apostles were Bishops, but not all Bishops are apostles.

The bishops are the equivalent of apostles today.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I notice you didn't answer my question. I don't expect you ever will but I've danced this dance with you folks hundreds not time. It's the same song and the same dance.

The bishops are the equivalent of apostles today.

Well repeat the question. I thought I did.

And no just because the RCC says so, doesn't make it so. The Bible has specific requirements for one to be an apostle and no one since the death of the originals meet that requirement.

Ephesians 2:

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

The bible says the Apostles along with the prophets and Jesus are the foundation of the church. All since are the building.

To say we have Apostles sti8ll is to say that god is not building His habitation, but still laying down the foundation. Very Foolish indeed.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

a Classic case of talking without scriptures.

We all reap what we sow, So enjoy the fruits of yo cherry pickin ways

 

[nedsk]

Well repeat the question. I thought I did.

And no just because the RCC says so, doesn't make it so. The Bible has specific requirements for one to be an apostle and no one since the death of the originals meet that requirement.

Ephesians 2:

19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

The bible says the Apostles along with the prophets and Jesus are the foundation of the church. All since are the building.

To say we have Apostles sti8ll is to say that god is not building His habitation, but still laying down the foundation. Very Foolish indeed.

Who said we have apostles? Again same dance different day

 

[Rockerduck]

We all reap what we sow, So enjoy the fruits of yo cherry pickin ways View attachment 63546

Then stop picking on your cherry tree for your arguments, then you will reap what you sow.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Then stop picking on your cherry tree for your augments, then you will reap what you sow.

You cherry pickers gonna be shocked when the future gets here

 

[Rockerduck]

You cherry pickers gonna be shocked when the future gets here

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It's those who are provocateurs who will be surprised. Yes, those who cause dissention in the body of Christ.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

those who cause dissension in the body of Christ.

Those causing dissension are the false teachers claiming anyone who does not agree with their heresy are causing trouble.

As usual they have things bassackards

 

[Rockerduck]

Those causing dissension are the false teachers claiming anyone who does not agree with their heresy are causing trouble.

As usual they have things bassackards View attachment 63554

look in the mirror.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes for Bishops, but not for Apostles.

Really – because YOU said so?

When John died near the end of the first century, the apostolic office vanished. the foundation had been laid by the Apostles, their teachings preserved, and since then we adhere to their teachings. there are no apostles who make new doctrine.

If you’re not a Catholic – I GUARANTEE that you don’t “adhere” to their teachings because the Bible is your only Authority.

All apostles were Bishops, but not all Bishops are apostles.

Show in Acts 1:20 where it differentiates the office of Bishop from Apostle.

In fact – show me ANY verse that does . . .

 

[David Lamb]

Really? Jesus says, "Amen Amen, I say to you unless you eat the flesh (my addition: not bread, not hear my world, not have faith),of the son of man and drink.his blood, you do nott have life within you". He repeats himself in verses 54, 55 and 56. Now every argument I've ever heard against Jesus speaking plainly here comes from some other source besides Jesus.

Sorry, but what does that have to do with your suggestion that people are guilty of putting the words of Paul above those of Jesus?

 

[David Lamb]

The Lord also said thru Peter that they twist what the Lord said thru Paul to their own destruction which the the OSAS / eternal security peoples are doing with the help of their demon handlers who lead and guide them to teach the wisdom

It is of course possible to twist any words of Scripture, whether from Genesis, Job, Matthew, Paul's epistles, or any other book of the bible. Twisting is wrong, but that is not the same thing as saying that the words of Scripture penned by Paul are less important than other parts of the bible.

 

[David Lamb]

Really – because YOU said so?

If you’re not a Catholic – I GUARANTEE that you don’t “adhere” to their teachings because the Bible is your only Authority.

Show in Acts 1:20 where it differentiates the office of Bishop from Apostle.

In fact – show me ANY verse that does . . .

When he was speaking to the elders of the church at Ephesus, Paul said:

“"Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.” (Ac 20:28 NKJV)

The word translated "overseers" is "episkopos", elsewhere translated as bishops. Are you saying that the Ephesian elders were all apostles?

 

[Taken]

I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity​

Christianity - meaning

A religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, its beliefs and practices.

Anyone can “adopt” a “religious name tag” as they freely choose.

Does it mean “every person” who “adopts” a “name tag” for themselves, “All” believe, follow, the “Same” Religious “Doctrines, Creeds, Traditions, Rituals, Practices, gods”?

No

** Fact IS… EVERYTHING…a human man, believes, thinks, does, has intertwined elements of imperfections and corruption.

** Fact IS…SOME…of such imperfections and corruptions “ARE” so boldly Glaring and Embraced even “common sense” becomes the tail-spinning “oxymoron culprit”
That Lies “ARE” Truths and Truths “ARE” Lies.

Can a natural Living Earthly man…”spiritually communicate” With the Spirit of a Mortally Dead Earthly Human?
Yes.

Does The Lord God Almighty “EVER” Teach FOR Earthly Living Mortal Human men “TO” use that method and ENGAGE in dialogue “with” spirits of mortally Dead Humans?
No.

When living human mortal men “do so” Engage…”do so” Teach and Advocate such Behavior… The “red flag” WARNING Appears.

* Some will “have a pocket full of reasonings / excuses to ignore the “warnings”.
* Others will Recognize the “warnings” and quickly dismiss “reasons and excuses”.

* Catholics ARE quick to Pronounce their Prideful Centuries long Ancient History regarding Religion.
* However…as well, Catholics uniquely have centuries long Ancient History and Reputation of “Embracing and Promoting” Doctrines IN direct Contrast to Gods Word and Gods Warnings to Avoid such behaviors.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[nedsk]

Sorry, but what does that have to do with your suggestion that people are guilty of putting the words of Paul above those of Jesus?

I didn't suggest that. I was addressing the statement that some Scripture is easy to understand. While that's true it appears some people just choose to ignore what is simply stated and then use other passages to support their reasons for ignoring a clear message.

 

[nedsk]

I have my doubts that Catholicism is Christianity​

Christianity - meaning

A religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, its beliefs and practices.

Anyone can “adopt” a “religious name tag” as they freely choose.

Does it mean “every person” who “adopts” a “name tag” for themselves, “All” believe, follow, the “Same” Religious “Doctrines, Creeds, Traditions, Rituals, Practices, gods”?

No

** Fact IS… EVERYTHING…a human man, believes, thinks, does, has intertwined elements of imperfections and corruption.

** Fact IS…SOME…of such imperfections and corruptions “ARE” so boldly Glaring and Embraced even “common sense” becomes the tail-spinning “oxymoron culprit”
That Lies “ARE” Truths and Truths “ARE” Lies.

Can a natural Living Earthly man…”spiritually communicate” With the Spirit of a Mortally Dead Earthly Human?
Yes.

Does The Lord God Almighty “EVER” Teach FOR Earthly Living Mortal Human men “TO” use that method and ENGAGE in dialogue “with” spirits of mortally Dead Humans?
No.

When living human mortal men “do so” Engage…”do so” Teach and Advocate such Behavior… The “red flag” WARNING Appears.

* Some will “have a pocket full of reasonings / excuses to ignore the “warnings”.
* Others will Recognize the “warnings” and quickly dismiss “reasons and excuses”.

* Catholics ARE quick to Pronounce their Prideful Centuries long Ancient History regarding Religion.
* However…as well, Catholics uniquely have centuries long Ancient History and Reputation of “Embracing and Promoting” Doctrines IN direct Contrast to Gods Word and Gods Warnings to Avoid such behaviors.

Glory to God,
Taken

Which doctrines are IN direct Contradiction to Gods Word...How about the real presence of Jesus body, blood, soul and divinity in the Eucharist?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Who said we have apostles? Again same dance different day

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