Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?
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Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?
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Why are there faithless people said to be outside the Gates of the kingdom? Many assume like there is only gonna be people in the kingdom and that’s it? But is that true? What’s the Bible say?
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Dash RipRock
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They will be separated from the land of the living spending eternity burning in hell, wide awake and consciously aware of the torment they are experiencing for all eternity
Sister-n-Christ
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I think it behooves the Christian to research the origin of today's idea of an eternal punishment in a bottomless pit of fire and brimstone.
And then consider we are told Jesus ministered to the dead in Sheol those three days after the cross when his body was in the tomb.
Are we to then believe Jesus was tormented in Hell fire for three days?
Another factor of our faith that was injected by Augustine.
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And then consider we are told Jesus ministered to the dead in Sheol those three days after the cross when his body was in the tomb.
Are we to then believe Jesus was tormented in Hell fire for three days?
Another factor of our faith that was injected by Augustine.
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Dash RipRock
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He isn't the one that taught people would be tormented in hell for eternity, Jesus did.
Ever see what Jesus said about hell in the scriptures???
I don't believe God is angry at the world any longer. I believe he is no longer punishing anyone any longer. I do believe that there is resurrection and a seperation between faithful and nonfaithful people in this life, however I do believe they reside outside of the kingdom of God with gates which never are said to shut, and I believe that God is a consuming fire, he may continue to call out to people even in the after life. Who is to say really? Am I right? Who can really use Gods word authority as though you must surcumb to this or that notion or whatever. It's Yahavah, the God of ISrael whom writes on the hearts and minds of those whom are his, and worship him in spirit and in truth. Whatever a person wants, no God, God will allow you to not have him in your life. If you want want God and you allow him to work with in you in your life so therefore he will be in faith.
Either way it goes. Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of heaven? That is the question. Why is God so Good he gives people what they want?
Either way it goes. Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of heaven? That is the question. Why is God so Good he gives people what they want?
Dash RipRock
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I would say my works are as filthy rags, just as Paul suggest. There is only one that does good and through and individual who seek after Yahavah. That is the spirit of Jesus Christ in and through their own heart for loving God. Whether they have sin in their life is irrelevant. Because anyone whom says they have not sinned at all just make God out to be a liar anyway. Therefore, regardless of the person or if they sin or not, it is where their heart is at the end of life. All people are sinners. And Jesus Christ came to save sinners, and therefore he is the one to rejoice and boast in because he is the one whom gives newness of life, even through a broken life, whether or not a person may accept that as true or not it sits between themselves and whatever their answer could be.
Dash RipRock
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I see so repenting of your sins, getting born again and submitting to the Lord is all still sinful behavior?
No, that's not true in the New Testament anymore for those who have submitted themselves to the Lord walking after the Spirit and not after the flesh.
All things are possible thru Christ (Philippians 4:13), so THRU JESUS we actually DO have the ability to stop sinning
1 John 3:6 - Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not
1 John 2:4 - He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 1:6 - if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1 John 2:1 - I write these things unto you, that ye sin not
Galatians 5:16 - Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh
James 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
1 John 3:8 - He that committeth sin is of the devil
John 8:34 - Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
1 Corinthians 15:34 - Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
We should not be willingly or knowingly doing sinful things... it should be a very rare occasion for a Christian to sin and IF they did it would NOT be a situation where it's something they knew it was sinful and they decided to do it anyway.
1 John 1:8 is obviously speaking of if we claim we have never sinned... or if we make a mistake such as dropping something on the floor accidentally which is an imperfection that is not unto death (does not cause us to be separated from God like sin does)
The very next verse tells us if we confess our sins the Lord cleanses us of ALL unrighteousness... so is 1 John1:8 claiming 1 John1:9 is un-true???
If you choose to see otherwise, you are free to do such.
I know myself.
Besides the topic is about "Why is there faithless people outside of the Kingdom of God?"
I don't see anyone having authority over the bible, so you are free to choose how you see things. I don't have to agree or disagree with you. It's just your own choosing how you deal with those passages. I stand by what I stated prior.
I know myself.
Besides the topic is about "Why is there faithless people outside of the Kingdom of God?"
I don't see anyone having authority over the bible, so you are free to choose how you see things. I don't have to agree or disagree with you. It's just your own choosing how you deal with those passages. I stand by what I stated prior.
Dash RipRock
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They are outside of the Kingdom of God because - they are faithless.
Glad we got that all cleared up!
It's amazing that people say God is going to torture people in hell forever and ever, when they die. That's not true, because hell is done away with when it comes down to it. Does that mean it's good to deceive your neighbor willingly? To profit a gain off of them. It's not good I don't think personally. I don't think it's good to mock people, or talk behind their backs because overall the consequences from those actions can be negative. While people may say God is going to torture people in hell, I oppose this to be true. It is also used as a scare tactic, and maybe for some good reason or another it may or may not work. However, to the contrary, considering the doing away with hell all together, transpires a new output in look of the faithful and the faithless, and why it is good to wonder about such passages! Therefore it give sme a least great hope in knowing that even those who may have sought after God and try to fool him, or even those who did not want tod anything with God, he sends them outside of the kingdom.
It is just an amazing picture to me personally. I sin, and mess up constantly in my own life, but I have faith in the one whom paid for the sins of all people while they were still sinners, and continued to disbelieve that God even existed in the first place. Because one has to consider God will take in account the disabled, aborted, etc... and he will take in account of those who were responsible for their own accountability.
It is just an amazing picture to me personally. I sin, and mess up constantly in my own life, but I have faith in the one whom paid for the sins of all people while they were still sinners, and continued to disbelieve that God even existed in the first place. Because one has to consider God will take in account the disabled, aborted, etc... and he will take in account of those who were responsible for their own accountability.
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