The Doctrines of Grace

[Scott Downey]

see. but this is missing it also

God shows mercy to all.. Its jut that all will not accept it..

He showed mercy to Israel when he came. even prayed for them, and cried for them./ But they were not willing

A difference though, as tears of sorrow from Christ is not saving them.
Christ laments their fate because of their continual rejection.

The mercy of God for salvation is not a possibility or probability it is an actuality.
It means those with that mercy come from God do not have their sins imputed to them.

• Romans 9:15
  For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.”
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• Romans 9:16
  So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
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• Romans 9:18
  Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens.
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• Romans 9:23
  and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory,
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1 Peter 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His abundant mercy has begotten us again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,​

What comes first? God's mercy for you making your born again or your faith?

You cannot even see or believe in Christ unless first born again.
You had no part in being born again, that was of the will of God, independent of you.

John 1
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 3

There was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. 2 This man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You are a teacher come from God; for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him.”

3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born [a]again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”

4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”

5 Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

The issue is you cannot even say or acknowledge Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit, that one thing removes you entirely from faith being of yourself, your faith in Christ is the gift of God.

1 Corinthians 12:3
Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

A difference though, as tears of sorrow from Christ is not saving them.
Christ laments their fate because of their continual rejection.
you can;t have it both ways,

You can not say that God allowed people to freely chose to not go with him in one area. and not in another

either we have free will or we do not

and PS. if they had believe, they would have done so trusting god. and if they did that, they would be saved

 

[Scott Downey]

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ​

Who is He?

There is God the Father and then there is God the Son. There is actually a difference, they are still one though.

8 But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [f]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Psalm 110

Announcement of the Messiah’s Reign​

A Psalm of David.​

1 The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”
2 The Lord shall send the rod of Your strength out of Zion.
Rule in the midst of Your enemies!
3 Your people shall be volunteers
In the day of Your power;
In the beauties of holiness, from the womb of the morning,
You have the dew of Your youth.
4 The Lord has sworn
And will not relent,
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
5 The Lord is at Your right hand;
He shall [a]execute kings in the day of His wrath.
6 He shall judge among the nations,
He shall fill the places with dead bodies,
He shall [b]execute the heads of many countries.
7 He shall drink of the brook by the wayside;
Therefore He shall lift up the head.

Hebrews 1

God’s Supreme Revelation​

1 God, who [a]at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the [b]worlds; 3 who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had [c]by Himself [d]purged [e]our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high, 4 having become so much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

The Son Exalted Above Angels​

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:

“You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”?
And again:

“I will be to Him a Father,
And He shall be to Me a Son”?
6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:

“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”
7 And of the angels He says:

“Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of fire.”
8 But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A [f]scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.”
10 And:

“You, Lord, in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth,
And the heavens are the work of Your hands.
11 They will perish, but You remain;
And they will all grow old like a garment;
12 Like a cloak You will fold them up,
And they will be changed.
But You are the same,
And Your years will not fail.”
13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:

“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?
14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

 

[Dash RipRock]

Then the clueless continue to IGNORE what God says in His Word:

1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.

Concerning the trinity... the Father, the Son, and the Spirit... are One!

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.

In fact.... you and I are three that is one (we are a spirit, we possess a soul, and we live in a body)

1 Thessalonians 5:23 - And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

After all... the Lord did create man in His Own Image.

Genesis 1:26 - God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness

That's the Father, the Word, and the Spirit saying "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness"

Pretty hard to explain away something scripture clearly tells us which is... One is Three, and the Three are One.

But those that don't accept what God says in His Word will continue to peddle their deception, so these people should be ignored.

 

[Scott Downey]

1 The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”

1 Corinthians 10

New King James Version

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Old Testament Examples​

1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.

 

[Dash RipRock]

I can't help you if you read the terribly render KJB.

OK, so in your translation:

Ever see all the scriptures about the Father?
Ever see all the scriptures about Jesus?
Ever see all the scriptures about the Holy Spirit?

Even the slow people can figure out that there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.

 

[Dash RipRock]

I must be slow

Well there ya go! Why not accept what God says in His Word and quit being slow?

You cannot deny there are scriptures talking about about the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

So it's obvious that there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are One.

Maybe some day you can just have childlike faith and simply believe what God says in His Word.

Do you think that day will ever come?

 

[PinSeeker]

Ever wonder why God condemned mankind in Adam?

Note this in Rom 11.32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Right, may have mercy on them all. But He obviously doesn't; Paul has just said ~ quoting Moses, but really God Himself ~ "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” And Paul goes on to say, "He has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills." (Romans 9:15,18).

Grace and peace to you, KUWN.

 

[KUWN]

Right, may have mercy on them all. But He obviously doesn't; Paul has just said ~ quoting Moses, but really God Himself ~ "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” And Paul goes on to say, "He has mercy on whomever He wills, and He hardens whomever He wills." (Romans 9:15,18).

Grace and peace to you, KUWN.

The "may" that you highlighted is part of a Purpose Clause that goes with hINA. There is no sense of contingency with this clause. When you do Systematic Theology, you have to take into consideration hundreds of other passages. One passage that everyone seems to have overlooked is 2 Pt 2.1. This verse tells us that all unbelievers have been redeemed. It doesn't mean that all unbelievers are Saved, it just means they have been purchased. Salvation is the result of having faith in God's offer of salvation. Most bible students deny this verse teaches this, and look for a hidden meaning. It's just like all unbelievers have their sins paid for, but that doesn't mean they are saved.

The mercy on all is related to God's provision for all people (redeeming them, paying for their sins). All were temporarily condemned in Adam, all people, no exceptions.