Is it possible to lose salvation?

[LoveYeshua]

Jesus is Lord......>Paul is an Apostle.


However, Paul's Doctrine came from Jesus, Himself.

that is what Paul says , but you cannot prove it is true. you can however prove that everything Jesus said is true many many witnesses, including God himself when jesus was baptised all jesus sait was done publicly and Never, Never in "secret"

Here is what happened...

Paul was Saul the Pharisee....who was helping to Murder Christians.
Jesus gave Him a Vision, and this led to Saul's conversion into Paul the Apostle.

Jesus then took Paul to the wilderness, for 3 yrs, and taught Him "Church Doctrine" and "the Gospel".

Paul has even gone to Heaven, and seen it........

So, this Apostle, is like no other......and he is our Church doctrine Teacher.

I know who Paul was I have being studying this for a long time.

Know that I have received gifts from the Holy spirit, one of them is the gift of knowledge, I know what is true or not. I know what is going to happen within 10 years but it is not a gift of prophecy to explain to the people but Yes I know certainly I see clearly we are in the end times in Jacob's trouble, this is A message I did receive over 7 days, I know also Christ will come back within this generation and there will be a second exodus, where the remnants of Israel and all who do God's will Ill be recalled from ell the ends of the earth as is in prophecy, THis was confiemed to me also over 40 days. I do not have any date ot year, the end is near it is why I am proclaining the Gospel of Jesus My Lord, My God, to Repent and prepare for the coming Kingdom hof heaven, it is close now but not yet. I say Christ aggain in february, it is true when Christ said "I will be with you always", He was there for me again when I was in serious trouble ( healthwise)

He is with his true believers always I can attest to this!

Blessings and know I only say the truth as was given me.

 

[Manasseh]

So, we really got to work hard at it to one day become saved, hopefully before we die. Let's all get up tomorrow and work
our fingers to the bone. The sad part is we won't know we are saved unless we do the right works and a lot of them. You know
who else believers this: the Muslims. It seems strange to me to be saved on Monday and lost on Tuesday. Then, back to being
saved on Wednesday, and lost on Thursday.

Did you catch that? There is no such thing as being saved on Monday. Monday is just were your lifetime journey begins. By the time
you are dead, there was no such thing as possessing eternal life. You can never say I am a Christian. You have to say I am trying to be
a Christian.

I used to live just like that. Father allowed me to suffer through a very long season of attempting to prove my faith through my obedience. I find that expressing my faith through obedience is much easier than trying to earn Gods favor through that same obedience, which of course, can never be done.

 

[Rockerduck]

Paul and Jesus are in total agreement

Except Jesus said follow Him and to use Him as an example (John 13:15):, and Paul said for us imitate Paul.

 

[Manasseh]

yes

but we still have to chose. he will not force is to take his gift.

Yes, you are correct. God will not force you to turn to Him. But He will tighten down the screws on your pitiful existence until crying out to Him for mercy does indeed seem like your only option. He's kinda awesome like that.

 

[bro.tan]

Paul says in (Colo. 1:22-23) (v.22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: (v.23) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settle, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.

You must continue in the faith and not be moved by the cares of the world. It’s more than confessing the name of Jesus, salvation is a work in progress you must take it one day at a time. It is a sad thing to believe that once you say that you believe on Christ your journey is done. You have only taken the first steps toward learning about the true and living God.

 

[Rockerduck]

Paul says in (Colo. 1:22-23) (v.22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: (v.23) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settle, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.

You must continue in the faith and not be moved by the cares of the world. It’s more than confessing the name of Jesus, salvation is a work in progress you must take it one day at a time. It is a sad thing to believe that once you say that you believe on Christ your journey is done. You have only taken the first steps toward learning about the true and living God.

Everyone that Jesus saves is born again from above and knows the beginning of his walk with Jesus starts with sanctification and is just beginning his journey that will last through the lifetime of a believer.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Then why Jesus tells us to follow the the comandments to have eternal life and some say Paul say they the ten commandments are obsolete of nailed to the cross?

Jesus did not say to follow the command TO HAVE eternal life.

Jesus taught as Paul did we needed saved, and that's the purpose he came.

the curse of the law was nailed to the cross.. Not the law

The ten commands are great. But as Jesus said, the law says do this, but I tell you if you do that, your guilty. it is limited in what it can do. It can make you appear you are keeping it. But its purpose was to prove you could not keep it. because no one has kept the first command. let alone most of the other 9.

Did they misunderstand Paul as Peter was explaining in 2 Peter 3 or is Paul against the law like he was accused of by the jews? in Acts?

Paul was not against the law. Paul was against the judiasers trying to insert the law to grace as a means of salvation,.

Paul was a pharisee. As for keeping the law. He admitted he had kept it..

he was not against the law sis

 

[Eternally Grateful]

that is what Paul says , but you cannot prove it is true. you can however prove that everything Jesus said is true many many witnesses, including God himself when jesus was baptised all jesus sait was done publicly and Never, Never in "secret"

I know who Paul was I have being studying this for a long time.

Know that I have received gifts from the Holy spirit, one of them is the gift of knowledge, I know what is true or not. I know what is going to happen within 10 years but it is not a gift of prophecy to explain to the people but Yes I know certainly I see clearly we are in the end times in Jacob's trouble, this is A message I did receive over 7 days, I know also Christ will come back within this generation and there will be a second exodus, where the remnants of Israel and all who do God's will Ill be recalled from ell the ends of the earth as is in prophecy, THis was confiemed to me also over 40 days. I do not have any date ot year, the end is near it is why I am proclaining the Gospel of Jesus My Lord, My God, to Repent and prepare for the coming Kingdom hof heaven, it is close now but not yet. I say Christ aggain in february, it is true when Christ said "I will be with you always", He was there for me again when I was in serious trouble ( healthwise)

He is with his true believers always I can attest to this!

Blessings and know I only say the truth as was given me.

Paul met Jesus on the road to Damascus.

He was preaching Jesus in Jewish synagogues a few days later

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Except Jesus said follow Him and to use Him as an example (John 13:15):, and Paul said for us imitate Paul.

Paul said he imitated christ.

so he told people who never met christ, You want to imitate christ. follow my lead.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes, you are correct. God will not force you to turn to Him. But He will tighten down the screws on your pitiful existence until crying out to Him for mercy does indeed seem like your only option. He's kinda awesome like that.

I know he did this for many including myself

I know he also does not do it for some.. because he knows no matter what. they will never recieve him

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Paul says in (Colo. 1:22-23) (v.22) In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: (v.23) If ye continue in the faith grounded and settle, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister.

You must continue in the faith and not be moved by the cares of the world. It’s more than confessing the name of Jesus, salvation is a work in progress you must take it one day at a time. It is a sad thing to believe that once you say that you believe on Christ your journey is done. You have only taken the first steps toward learning about the true and living God.

yes if we want to grow in christ.

that will not save us however. Salvation has Gods demand. we must be perfect.

if your not perfect. you need grace.

 

[Rockerduck]

Paul said he imitated christ.

so he told people who never met christ, You want to imitate christ. follow my lead.

I agree. 3 times Paul said to imitate Him. Twice because Paul imitated Christ and the 3rd time just himself. He should have told everyone unequivocally, to imitate Jesus Christ only, just like Jesus told us to do. He should have left himself out of it.

1 Corinthians 4:16 - Therefore I urge you, imitate me.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I agree. 3 times Paul said to imitate Him. Twice because Paul imitated Christ and the 3rd time just himself. He should have told everyone unequivocally, to imitate Jesus Christ only, just like Jesus told us to do. He should have left himself out of it.

1 Corinthians 4:16 - Therefore I urge you, imitate me.

so your saying Paul, inspired by God. made a mistake..

ok,, I trust my scripture.. and trust God

 

[Rockerduck]

so your saying Paul, inspired by God. made a mistake..

ok,, I trust my scripture.. and trust God

Don't get me wrong, The Apostle Paul was powerful, but conceded too. 1 Corinthians 7:1-8 is all Paul and not the Lord. Then he picks up again in
1 Corinthians 7:12 -But to the rest I, not the Lord, say: If any brother has a wife who does not believe, and she is willing to live with him, let him not divorce her.

It is good advice, Just Paul goes off scrip, he could have quoted Jesus, who said the same thing. Except maybe Paul did not have that revelation from Jesus at this time; giving Paul the benefit of the doubt.

 

[Nancy]

It is God that keeps us saved. You are pulling the P out of Tulip which I'm not a C person, I'm a God's word person. It is God who draws you to Jesus, this means you are called. Jesus saves you and keeps you.

Ephesians 2:8- For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

John 10:28 - And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

Well then, shouldn't it by mere logic say, Perseverance of God?

 

[Behold]

No I mean the body of Christ started with Adam.

Sinners started with Adam. = "by one man's sin, sin entered..........>""

The "body of Christ" started with The Cross, where a sinner find's God's Forgiveness and may be born again as a "CHRISITIAN".

All OT saints belong to that same body Jesus died for their sins also.

Noone belongs to the "body of Christ", until they are forgiven their Sin and given the "new Birth" "In Christ".
This was not available to the Old Testament Saints.

Adam and Eve would have been the first members when he saved them and gave the prophecy of the one who would take their sins

Adam and Eve were not "saved".. as their was no Jesus on The CROSS found in the Garden or found in the OLD TESTAMENT to pay for their sin.......or anyone elses.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Well then, shouldn't it by mere logic say, Perseverance of God?

amen

we do not persevere. we can not.

God keeps us

 

[Behold]

that is what Paul says , but you cannot prove it is true.

If Paul's Doctrine were not "true" then He would not have written most of the NT Epistles, and all of the Church Doctrine, that is found in the word of God. (NT).

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Sinners started with Adam. = "by one man's sin, sin entered..........>""

The "body of Christ" started with The Cross, where a sinner find's God's Forgiveness and may be born again as a "CHRISITIAN".

Yes, God in his omniscience applied the grace that saved Adam, and made him a member of the body of Christ. He would just have to wait in paradise until the payment actually was completed

Noone belongs to the "body of Christ", until they are forgiven their Sin and given the "new Birth" "In Christ".
This was not available to the Old Testament Saints.

Adams sin was forgiven, as was abrahams,

who's righteounsess do you think was imputed to abraham in gen 15?

Adam and Eve were not "saved".. as their was no Jesus on The CROSS found in the Garden or found in the OLD TESTAMENT to pay for their sin.......or anyone elses.

ahh.. so all OT saints will be in hell

thats good to know (not)

 

[Behold]

Yes, God in his omniscience applied the grace that saved Adam,

God's Grace is Jesus on the Cross, bleeding and dying.

He was not availble for Adam, or Eve.

Adams sin was forgiven, as was abrahams,

No Cross = No Forgiveness.

who's righteounsess do you think was imputed to abraham in gen 15?

"justification by faith"........= Abraham.

He's the only one, until the Cross was given for us all.

Old Testament Saints, went to "Abraham's Bosom"..........Jesus stated this was "Paradise"... From the Cross.
He went there after He died...., and dealt with the OT Saints who had been there, for so long.