Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Behold]

behold, Jesus main message was to "repent" you are a false teacher!

John the Baptist had the message to "repent".

Jesus's message 2000 yrs ago, was to "believe".
Its still His message.

 

[Rockerduck]

perseverance
noun [ U ]
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continued effort to do or achieve something, even when this is difficult or takes a long time:
It took a lot of patience and perseverance for all sides to reach an agreement.
Over and over, they have shown perseverance in the face of adversity.
A combination of brilliant imagination and dogged perseverance enabled them to triumph.
Eventually, her perseverance paid off and she won a contract with a major recording company.
I think the reason I won a gold medal was sheer perseverance, not because I was more talented than anybody else.

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perseverance​

noun​

per·se·ver·ance ˌpər-sə-ˈvir-ən(t)s

Synonyms of perseverance
: continued effort to do or achieve something despite difficulties, failure, or opposition : the action or condition or an instance of persevering : steadfastness

Sounds a lot like WORK to me.

It is God that keeps us saved. You are pulling the P out of Tulip which I'm not a C person, I'm a God's word person. It is God who draws you to Jesus, this means you are called. Jesus saves you and keeps you.

Ephesians 2:8- For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

John 10:28 - And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.

 

[MatthewG]

I think it’s possible by one’s own free will to decide not have God in their life if they so choose.

I don’t know what others my say, though I’ve heard it said that a person has absolutely no choice in the matter if they are so “selected” by God, in some fashion.

I don’t know how I can show a identity in that I am selected though, only a member of the faithful of faith whom faithfully seek and worship God in spirit and truth.

 

[KUWN]

Jesus had a lot to say about and this taught that the path to eternal life is narrow and that few find it. In Matthew 7:13-14, He said;

"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it."​

This shows that salvation is not guaranteed for everyone, and only those who stay faithful and follow His teachings will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.


Jesus also warned that some would hear the word and believe for a while, but eventually fall away. In the Parable of the Sower, He explained;

"But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles." (Matthew 13:20-21).​

This illustrates that some will start their walk with God but will not persevere when faced with trials or temptations.

In John 15:6, Jesus made it even clearer, saying;

"If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned."​

Here, Jesus compares Himself to a vine and believers as branches. A branch must remain connected to the vine to stay alive and bear fruit. If a person disconnects from Christ through disobedience or unbelief, they wither spiritually and face eternal judgment.


The original apostles also confirmed this truth. Peter warned in 2 Peter 2:20-21;

"For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them."​

This shows that a person who was once saved and returns to sin is in a worse condition than before they knew the truth.​

James also affirmed this truth when he said;

"Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."​

(James 5:19-20).​

This verse reveals that a believer can wander away from the truth and face spiritual death unless they repent and return to God.

The Bible does provide examples of those who lost their salvation. Judas Iscariot was one of the twelve apostles chosen by Jesus, yet he betrayed the Lord for thirty pieces of silver. Jesus Himself said about Judas;

"It would have been good for that man if he had not been born." (Matthew 26:24).​

This shows that Judas was once in the faith but fell away and was lost.

Another example is Balaam, a prophet who once heard from God but later led Israel into sin for personal gain. Peter referred to him, saying,

"They have forsaken the right way and gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Beor." (2 Peter 2:15). King Saul is yet another example; he was chosen and anointed by God but later disobeyed and rebelled, and the Spirit of God departed from him (1 Samuel 16:14)​

Jesus' words make it clear that salvation is not a one-time event but requires endurance and faithfulness until the end. As He said in Matthew 24:13, "But he who endures to the end shall be saved." Therefore, those who abide in Christ, obey His commandments, and remain faithful will receive eternal life. However, those who turn away from Him and return to sin risk losing their salvation and facing eternal separation from God: "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."Rev 14:12

Blessings.

So, we really got to work hard at it to one day become saved, hopefully before we die. Let's all get up tomorrow and work
our fingers to the bone. The sad part is we won't know we are saved unless we do the right works and a lot of them. You know
who else believers this: the Muslims. It seems strange to me to be saved on Monday and lost on Tuesday. Then, back to being
saved on Wednesday, and lost on Thursday.

Did you catch that? There is no such thing as being saved on Monday. Monday is just were your lifetime journey begins. By the time
you are dead, there was no such thing as possessing eternal life. You can never say I am a Christian. You have to say I am trying to be
a Christian.

 

[LoveYeshua]

So, we really got to work hard at it to one day become saved, hopefully before we die. Let's all get up tomorrow and work
our fingers to the bone. The sad part is we won't know we are saved unless we do the right works and a lot of them. You know
who else believers this: the Muslims. It seems strange to me to be saved on Monday and lost on Tuesday. Then, back to being
saved on Wednesday, and lost on Thursday.

Did you catch that? There is no such thing as being saved on Monday. Monday is just were your lifetime journey begins. By the time
you are dead, there was no such thing as possessing eternal life. You can never say I am a Christian. You have to say I am trying to be
a Christian.

yes, it can happen, the bible describes it, gives us cases where it happened I would say it is rare but it can, the key is Perseverance and trusting in GOD, once you belong to him and Listen to Him you are safe relatively safe. God knows our hearts, even the number of hair on our heads, it is on this that we will be judged, remember the parable of the tares..
these teachings are from Jesus the Son of God, listen to him!

take example on this angel ,Lucifer, he was created perfect, was called the morning Star, How low he fell, he rebelled against God who created him, at some point he changed, did not trust in GOD anymore tought he was better, wanted to ascend above God.......
And No, I am not a Muslim, they follow a different God, a FALSE GOD.

 

[LoveYeshua]

John the Baptist had the message to "repent".

Jesus's message 2000 yrs ago, was to "believe".
Its still His message.

we have discussed this before;

John the baptist was sent to OPEN the way for Christ, John the baptist was preaching repentance

Now, lets look at what Jesus was mainly preaching;

• Matthew 4:17
  “From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, ‘Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.’”
• Matthew 4:23
  “And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people.”
• Matthew 10:7
  “And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’”
• Mark 1:15
  “and saying, ‘The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel.’”
• Luke 4:43
  “but He said to them, ‘I must preach the kingdom of God to the other cities also, because for this purpose I have been sent.’”

Jesus also said;

Luke 6:43-49 (NKJV)
43 "For a good tree does not bear bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit.
44 For every tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they gather grapes from a bramble bush.
45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
46 "But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say?
47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like:
48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was founded on the rock.
49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it fell. And the ruin of that house was great."

In this passage, Jesus is teaching about the importance of not just hearing His words, but actively obeying and following them. He uses the metaphor of a strong foundation to illustrate that those who hear and obey His teachings will withstand the challenges of life, while those who hear but do not obey will fall when difficulties come.

 

[KUWN]

yes, it can happen, the bible describes it, gives us cases where it happened I would say it is rare but it can, the key is Perseverance and trusting in GOD, once you belong to him and Listen to Him you are safe relatively safe. God knows our hearts, even the number of hair on our heads, it is on this that we will be judged, remember the parable of the tares..
these teachings are from Jesus the Son of God, listen to him!

take example on this angel ,Lucifer, he was created perfect, was called the morning Star, How low he fell, he rebelled against God who created him, at some point he changed, did not trust in GOD anymore tought he was better, wanted to ascend above God.......
And No, I am not a Muslim, they follow a different God, a FALSE GOD.

What I said was your theology toward your God is the same concept that Muslims have toward their god.

 

[LoveYeshua]

What I said was your theology toward your God is the same concept that Muslims have toward their god.

I know what you said and is us not true at all, my theology is doing God's will what is yours?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

ask ourselves this

if we can lose salvation.

are we really saved?

 

[Behold]

Now, lets look at what Jesus was mainly preaching;

When the context is.......How did the NT Church Begin.......How did the Body of Christ Start........

So, when that is the discussion, then Nothing that Jesus did, before He was crucified, applies.

Nothing.

The body of Christ...that is the CHURCH.......is begun by the Cross of Christ..........not before.

So, check your verses, and take note.

Here is a "rightly divide the word".....KEY for you...... @LoveYeshua ...

When you are studying the NT.........always see all verses In LIGHT of the CROSS, as that will show you if the verses are doctrine for the Body of Christ or if they are not.

 

[LoveYeshua]

When the context is.......How did the NT Church Begin.......How did the Body of Christ Start........

So, when that is the discussion, then Nothing that Jesus did, before He was crucified, applies.

Nothing.

The body of Christ...that is the CHURCH.......is begun by the Cross of Christ..........not before.

So, check your verses, and take note.

Here is a "rightly divide the word".....KEY for you...... @LoveYeshua ...

When you are studying the NT.........always see all verses In LIGHT of the CROSS, as that will show you if the verses are doctrine for the Body of Christ or if they are not.

ok, Follow paul I will follow jesus,

you just said in your reply Jesus actions and words are nothing which is unchristian and offensive Jesus IS the Church! the cornerstone, the most important on which all holds everything tothether.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

When the context is.......How did the NT Church Begin.......How did the Body of Christ Start........

So, when that is the discussion, then Nothing that Jesus did, before He was crucified, applies.

Nothing.

The body of Christ...that is the CHURCH.......is begun by the Cross of Christ..........not before.

So, check your verses, and take note.

Here is a "rightly divide the word".....KEY for you...... @LoveYeshua ...

When you are studying the NT.........always see all verses In LIGHT of the CROSS, as that will show you if the verses are doctrine for the Body of Christ or if they are not.

The body of Christ started with Adam just fyi

 

[Behold]

ok, Follow paul I will follow jesus,

You can't become a student of Jesus's NT Doctrine for the Body of Christ, unless you study Paul's Doctrine, as Jesus gave it to him, personally, for the body of Christ.
So, if you are not just a water baptized cult member...and you are actaully born again......then Paul is your teacher, and His theology, is Doctrine for the Church.

you just said in your reply Jesus actions and words are nothing

The context of my words is regarding Jesus's words being given only to Jews....(The House of Israel).................are..""" NOT for the Body of Christ.""" i told you.
That's the "nothing"..

Try to remember the discussion.......the subject.......and you'll be ok.

 

[Behold]

The body of Christ started with Adam just fyi

You mean to say that the body of Christ......started with the 2nd Adam, when He died on the Cross which birthed the NT Church.

All the 1st Adam accomplished was to bring sin into the world........that was Paid for by Jesus who is the 2nd Adam.

is that what you meant to say @Eternally Grateful ?

 

[LoveYeshua]

You can't become a student of Jesus's NT Doctrine for the Body of Christ, unless you study Paul's Doctrine, as Jesus gave it to him, personally, for the body of Christ.
So, if you are not just a water baptized cult member...and you are actaully born again......then Paul is your teacher, and His theology, is Doctrine for the Church.



The context of my words is regarding Jesus's words being given only to Jews....(The House of Israel).................are..""" NOT for the Body of Christ.""" i told you.
That's the "nothing"..

Try to remember the discussion.......the subject.......and you'll be ok.

is paul words above to Christ words, ? who has full authirity on heaven and earth is it Paul? Ill catch you later I have more to explain to you

 

[Behold]

is paul words above to Christ words,

Jesus is Lord......>Paul is an Apostle.


However, Paul's Doctrine came from Jesus, Himself.

Here is what happened...

Paul was Saul the Pharisee....who was helping to Murder Christians.
Jesus gave Him a Vision, and this led to Saul's conversion into Paul the Apostle.

Jesus then took Paul to the wilderness, for 3 yrs, and taught Him "Church Doctrine" and "the Gospel".

Paul has even gone to Heaven, and seen it........

So, this Apostle, is like no other......and he is our Church doctrine Teacher.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You mean to say that the body of Christ......started with the 2nd Adam, when He died on the Cross which birthed the NT Church.

No I mean the body of Christ started with Adam. All OT saints belong to that same body Jesus died for their sins also.

All the 1st Adam accomplished was to bring sin into the world........that was Paid for by Jesus who is the 2nd Adam.

is that what you meant to say @Eternally Grateful ?

No I did not mean to say that please do not put words in my mouth

Adam and Eve would have been the first members when he saved them and gave the prophecy of the one who would take their sins

 

[Eternally Grateful]

is paul words above to Christ words, ? who has full authirity on heaven and earth is it Paul? Ill catch you later I have more to explain to you

Paul and Jesus are in total agreement

 

[LoveYeshua]

You can't become a student of Jesus's NT Doctrine for the Body of Christ, unless you study Paul's Doctrine, as Jesus gave it to him, personally, for the body of Christ.
So, if you are not just a water baptized cult member...and you are actaully born again......then Paul is your teacher, and His theology, is Doctrine for the Church.



The context of my words is regarding Jesus's words being given only to Jews....(The House of Israel).................are..""" NOT for the Body of Christ.""" i told you.
That's the "nothing"..

Try to remember the discussion.......the subject.......and you'll be ok.

can you define the body of christ? who is part of it , it would help me understand

 

[LoveYeshua]

Paul and Jesus are in total agreement

Then why Jesus tells us to follow the the comandments to have eternal life and some say Paul say they the ten commandments are obsolete of nailed to the cross?
Did they misunderstand Paul as Peter was explaining in 2 Peter 3 or is Paul against the law like he was accused of by the jews? in Acts?