Judas Went to His Own Place – A Biblical Verdict of Eternal Judgment

[bdavidc]

And I continue to NEVER be amazed at the BIBLICALLY ILLITERATE who instead have to MAKE UP LIES AGAINST GOD'S WRITTEN WORD to try and make themselves 'appear'... holy, when they are not, but inside are full of HATRED AND ENVY against their fellowman.

Your arrogance is blinding you. You rant about biblical illiteracy while perverting the Word of God yourself. That’s not holiness, that’s hypocrisy. You accuse others of lying, but the lies are coming from your own mouth when you twist clear Scripture and slander true believers who are actually standing on the Word.

Jesus said, “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh” (Matthew 12:34). Your words reveal pride, not truth. Your attack is not correction, it’s bitterness dressed up as zeal. That’s not the spirit of Christ, that’s the flesh.

If you actually cared about God’s Word, you’d handle it with reverence, not with a self-righteous, condescending spirit. James 1:26 says if a man “seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.”

You’re not defending truth, you’re feeding your ego. Repent. Drop the act. Humble yourself before the God you claim to serve, because right now, you’re doing His enemy’s work.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Your arrogance is blinding you. You rant about biblical illiteracy while perverting the Word of God yourself. That’s not holiness, that’s hypocrisy. You accuse others of lying, but the lies are coming from your own mouth when you twist clear Scripture and slander true believers who are actually standing on the Word.

Jesus said, “Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh” (Matthew 12:34). Your words reveal pride, not truth. Your attack is not correction, it’s bitterness dressed up as zeal. That’s not the spirit of Christ, that’s the flesh.

If you actually cared about God’s Word, you’d handle it with reverence, not with a self-righteous, condescending spirit. James 1:26 says if a man “seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.”

You’re not defending truth, you’re feeding your ego. Repent. Drop the act. Humble yourself before the God you claim to serve, because right now, you’re doing His enemy’s work.

That's a lot of hubris for one who won't concede when they're wrong.

 

[shepherdsword]

If anyone wants to know where I stand on hell and eternal punishment, I don’t base my view on feelings, opinions, or tradition. I believe what the Bible clearly says. These verses speak for themselves:


Matthew 25:46 – “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Mark 9:43–48 – “It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out… where ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’”
2 Thessalonians 1:8–9 – “He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.”
Revelation 20:10 – “The devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur… They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
Revelation 14:11 – “The smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever. There will be no rest day or night…”

So yes, I believe in eternal punishment, not because it’s easy to accept, but because the Bible says it clearly. Denying it doesn’t erase it. God doesn’t lie.

I really hope that you and I are wrong and the annihilation people right. However, like you, I see that the scripture declares otherwise.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Our roots are in Judaism. What did it teach us first?

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

But not well, which is why I corrected you three times thus far, thereby showing that you need to research more.



Again, the first edition of The Gospel as Revealed to Me, or The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V, was placed on the Index because it lacked an imprimatur, but it shouldn't have been placed on it in the first place, because it had received verbal approval to be published by Pope Pius XII. Since 1959, subsequent editions, and Maria Valtorta's other writings, have received an imprimatur, and have been published in multiple languages, all over the world.



You're referring to an anonymous article posted in the L'Osservatore Romano ("The Roman Observer") on January 6, 1960. Have you even read it in it's entirety? Probably not. You should read the English translation and the responses to it here.

Additionally, for your knowledge, the L'Osservatore Romano ("The Roman Observer") is the Vatican’s newspaper, which was founded in 1861 for apologetic reasons, and, according to the Vatican website, to be "deliberatly polemical and propagandist". In 1929, the newspaper relocated to within the premises of the Vatican, yet still operates as an independent entity. Strictly speaking, the newspaper is not authoritative in and of itself. Any authority it contains is dependent on whether it accurately reports information/events within the Roman Curia. While its purpose is objective reporting, it is nonetheless subject to the same dynamic as any lay run organization, which may or may not be influenced by the politics of the time.



Have you also read The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V? Considering it's over four-thousand pages, and you learned about it yesterday, and posted that article not even 12 hours ago, you probably didn't, much less just the parts your source referenced. Well, I have read them, and more than once over the past decade. I'm prepared to defend the Work, but you aren't prepared to defend any opposing arguments against it, because you haven't even read it, and thus can't verify any of your own sources...

Therefore, I highly recommend that you first read the book, as well as the arguments by Maria Valtorta's supporters, not just her critics, if you want to discuss it and be taken seriously by others who have. You can read the following for free online:

• The Poem of the Man-God: Vols. I-V
• A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work. See the chapters on proofs in support of her writings having a supernatural origin.

You've not corrected me in the least. Your intention is to put a mystic even the church, RCC, denies as credible, as coequal in "revelations" with Christ.

You not only need to research more. You need to repent.

Btw,you don't know? Origen was considered a heretic.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Bible warns that many will say “Lord, Lord” and still be cast away (Matthew 7:21–23).

Yes, the Lord tells us that once saved always saved is not something He accepts.

Too bad so many have chosen to not pay attention to what the Lord said.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I've publicly corrected you multiple times. So, to deny it is asinine.



Again, in February 2025, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith put out a statement giving their opinion about Maria Valtorta's writings, stating that "it cannot be considered having a supernatural origin" (and they didn't even explain why) but they've been wrong before. You should read the following article: Response to the Vatican's 2025 Press Release on Maria Valtorta. You should also read A Summa and Encyclopedia to Maria Valtorta’s Extraordinary Work, especially the chapters on proofs in support of her writings having a supernatural origin.



No, you need to research this more and better. And, you're citing sources and arguments against a book that you haven't even read, which means that you can't even verify your own sources...

This is an Internet forum. Everything here is public. You've publicly insisted a mystic is credible when posted articles show otherwise. Big difference to the claim you've corrected me . Asinine is holding faith in a 19th century mystic.

You're lost in thinking you need more than God's word to guide you.

That fraud female you revere is telling you Jesus has more to say than when he was here as The Word God made flesh.

Implying anyone who reads her filler to Jesus' messages are skeptics of the New Testament. Because they think they need to hear more from Jesus through a woman the church never deemed credible on her capacity.
Claim that's not true about the church's not deeming her words divinely inspired and you are not a truth teller.

She was a damned fool then and is damned forever now that she's long dead without repentance.

Wake up!

I'm done entertaining a skeptic.

 

[shepherdsword]

This is an Internet forum. Everything here is public. You've publicly insisted a mystic is credible when posted articles show otherwise. Big difference to the claim you've corrected me . Asinine is holding faith in a 19th century mystic.

You're lost in thinking you need more than God's word to guide you.

That fraud female you revere is telling you Jesus has more to say than when he was here as The Word God made flesh.

Implying anyone who reads her filler to Jesus' messages are skeptics of the New Testament. Because they think they need to hear more from Jesus through a woman the church never deemed credible on her capacity.
Claim that's not true about the church's not deeming her words divinely inspired and you are not a truth teller.

She was a damned fool then and is damned forever now that she's long dead without repentance.

Wake up!

I'm done entertaining a skeptic.

This guy copy and pastes the same old diatribe about "Maria Valtorta" in numerous threads. It's all garbage.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

This guy copy and pastes the same old diatribe about "Maria Valtorta" in numerous threads. It's all garbage.

I didn't know he was doing that.
I do agree her work is garbage.

 

[shepherdsword]

I didn't know he was doing that.

Yeah. just do a forum search for "Maria Valtorta". It brings back 10 pages of results.

 

[shepherdsword]

More baseless assertions from people who haven't even read The Poem of the Man-God...

The day any of you read all four-thousand plus pages of it, my ears will perk up.

No thanks, I'll pass. No one needs to read the Satanic Bible, the Book of Mormon or the Quran to know they do not contain truth. By the same token, no one needs to read a 4000 page book to know Maria Valtorta doesn't have any truth either.

 

[shepherdsword]

So, you want to continue attacking The Poem of the Man-God, a book that you've never even read, and cite sources whose claims against it you can't even verify, because of your refusal to read it... Got it. Yea, who wants to waste time being properly knowledgeable about a subject? Much easier to just pretend to be knowledgeable, make baseless assumptions, and ignore people when they show us our errors, huh?



You're willing to throw reason out the window to justify your laziness, negligence, prejudice, and bias. If anyone else, especially a Catholic, came into a discussion and said "I don't need to do x. I'm just right", you know that wouldn't fly with you or those like you.

Hypocrites.

When the US treasury trains people to spot counterfeit bills they don't train them using phony bills. They train them with the real bills and it makes spotting counterfeits easy. So it is with a disciple of Jesus...they only need to study his word and not some garbage from a deluded false teacher to know the truth.

 

[shepherdsword]

And, after training, they go about spotting authentic and counterfeit bills by examining the bills themselves. Have you ever just worked as a cashier? A cashier is shown how to spot a counterfeit bill. When a customer hands them, for example, a one-hundred dollar bill, they're supposed to examine it, and find out if it's counterfeit or authentic, not refuse to examine it and assume it's counterfeit or authentic. You refuse to examine (read) the very subject matter that is The Poem of the Man-God, and just assume it's counterfeit (not from God). And, then you cite sources whose claims against it you can't even verify because you haven't read it!

yes....and I examined the works of the false prophetess and found them lies. I don't have to read every page to see it is false.

IS "THE POEM OF THE MAN-GOD" SIMPLY A BAD NOVEL?

Maria Valtorta's multi-volume life of Jesus flirts with heresy and exhibits bad taste. Its claim to authenticity have been rejected by Rome.

by Father Mitch Pacwa, S.J.

"The Poem of the Man-God" is a five-volume "narrative" of the life of Jesus written in the 1940s by a sickly Italian woman named Maria Valtorta. "Poem" purports to fill in the details of Jesus' life left blank by the four Gospels. Such narratives have been produced since the second century A.D. Some were written by gnostic heretics. Some by New Agers and occultists. And some were produced by pious Christians who made up stories about Jesus to edify their readers and listeners.

The four Gospels do not give a biography of Jesus--or of anyone else in His life. Their purpose is evangelical and theological--to proclaim the Good News that human beings need for their salvation. Thus, for centuries, the "hidden life" of Jesus has been the subject for speculation.

"The Poem of the Man-God" is in this tradition of apocryphal literature on New Testament themes. Valtorta claimed that she was the "secretary" of Jesus and Mary, and was setting down the divinely inspired truth about Jesus' life. The Church has rejected this claim. Nevertheless, "Poem" has become quite popular, particularly among Catholics as well.

Remarkably, the book has grown in popularity in part because its champions claim that high Church officials--including one Pope--endorsed it. They haven't. In fact, "Poem" was included on the Index of Forbidden books until the abolition of the Index in the 1960s. No less an authority than Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, reiterates the Church's rejection of the claims made for "The Poem of the Man-God

Vatican repeats caution on visions of Maria Valtorta​

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CWN Editor's Note: The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith (DDF) has reaffirmed that the writings of Maria Valtorta are not recognized by the Church as authentic revelations.

Maria Valtorta, an Italian mystic of the 20th century, drew a wide audience with her massive work The God-Man, in which she described visions that she said she had received from Jesus Christ. The DDF, responding to persistent questions about the visions, issued a statement on March 5 saying that the Church “does not recognize their divine inspiration.”

The DDF judgment matches a negative verdict that had been issued by the same office—then known as the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith—in 1985, under the direction of then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Yeah. just do a forum search for "Maria Valtorta". It brings back 10 pages of results.

I looked. That's one dedicated mystic disciple.
Sad.

 

[shepherdsword]

You couldn't have examined The Poem of the Man-God because you haven't read it, nor the arguments of Maria Valtorta's supporters, and thus you can't verify any of your own source's claims against it! Others, including myself, have put in the time and work. We've read all four-thousand plus pages of The Poem of the Man-God, as well as Maria Valtorta's other writings, and have familiarized ourselves with the arguments of both Maria Valtorta's critics and supporters.



You haven't read any of it, so how do you know that your own sources who claim to have read it are reiterating what they supposedly read accurately? And, of course you're going to say, "I don't have to read every page to see it is false", because you don't want to read over four-thousand pages. If anyone else said that though? You wouldn't let that fly. More hypocrisy.

I have read enough to know it's all delusion. Why should I read the whole thing? I don't have to eat a whole rotten apple to know it's rotten. One bite is enough.

On February 3rd, 1944, Jesus said, “Do you know, Mary [Maria Valtorta], what you are doing? Or rather, what I am doing, in showing you the Gospel? Making a stronger attempt to bring men to Me. You yearned for it with your fervent prayers. I will no longer confine Myself to words. They tire men and detach them. It is a fault, but it is so. I will have recourse to visions, also of My Gospel, and I will explain them to make them more attractive and clear. I give you the comfort of seeing them. I give everybody the possibility of wishing to know Me. And if it is of no avail, and like cruel children they should throw away the gift without understanding its value, you will be left with My present, and they with My indignation. I shall be able once again to repeat the old reproach: "We played for you and you would not dance; we sang dirges and you would not weep." But it does not matter. Let them, the inconvertible ones, heap burning coals on their heads and let us turn to the little sheep seeking to become acquainted with their Shepherd. It is I, and you are the staff leading them to Me." (The Poem of the Man-God: Vol. I)

Even the Roman Catholic Church reject that garbage. I suggest you read this: Religious and Spiritual Delusions in Schizophrenia

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

I have read enough to know it's all delusion. Why should I read the whole thing? I don't have to eat a whole rotten apple to know it's rotten. One bite is enough.

Even the Roman Catholic Church reject that garbage. I suggest you read this: Religious and Spiritual Delusions in Schizophrenia

I think they promote Maria's delusion just to get to Christians here.

Earlier he defended her receiving messages from Christ as like into what the Paul received.

Garbage is an all encompassing word for Maria's works.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Even the Roman Catholic Church reject that garbage

As they promote all kinds of other garbage

 

[amigo de christo]

If anyone wants to know where I stand on hell and eternal punishment, I don’t base my view on feelings, opinions, or tradition. I believe what the Bible clearly says. These verses speak for themselves:


Matthew 25:46 – “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Mark 9:43–48 – “It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out… where ‘the worms that eat them do not die, and the fire is not quenched.’”
2 Thessalonians 1:8–9 – “He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.”
Revelation 20:10 – “The devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur… They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.”
Revelation 14:11 – “The smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever. There will be no rest day or night…”

So yes, I believe in eternal punishment, not because it’s easy to accept, but because the Bible says it clearly. Denying it doesn’t erase it. God doesn’t lie.

Ed agrees . Ed zach Lee . GOD dont lie .
And i want everyone to go and read again the book of revelation .
We will see a place of eternal torment is there and for who it is .
THEN we see a dire warning near the end of that book
that says ANY man that adds to or takes from .
SO i highly suggest folks quit trying to remove the idea of such a place.
Add to or take from . Now lets read what happens to the one who dares to do such a thing .
They gonna find out first hand that the very place they cliamed did not exist
DO EXIST . but then ITS TOO LATE as they wail in such a place .
I have a wonderful and simple idea .
Rather than folks trying to omit things
WHY NOT JUST PREACH JESUS THE CHRIST . cause HE WHO BELEIVES wont be THERE IN said wailing place .
SEE how easy and simple that is . Now to the trenches one and all .

 

[amigo de christo]

We can be certain of one thing about hell, those who go there don't get let out for breaks.
Never seen hell myself. Read plenty of stories and who knows how genuine they were.
Hell is a place where the wicked receive bad things.

Abraham's bosom story describes it a little.
Everyone who goes to hell is worthy of being there.
Luke 16, notice Jesus describes the contrast between them.
That rich man in hell knew who Lazarus was! Likely saw him daily and did nothing to help him.

The Rich Man and Lazarus​

19 “There was a certain rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and [h]fared sumptuously every day. 20 But there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, full of sores, who was laid at his gate, 21 desiring to be fed with [i]the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22 So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

24 “Then he cried and said, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things; but now he is comforted and you are tormented. 26 And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

27 “Then he said, ‘I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father’s house, 28 for I have five brothers, that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment.’ 29 Abraham said to him, ‘They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ 30 And he said, ‘No, father Abraham; but if one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ 31 But he said to him, ‘If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded though one rise from the dead.’ ”

So simple it truly is . Behold BOTH the goodness and severity of GOD .
Allow me to ask a question and then let us hear lil johnnys answer from the back of the classroom .
Hello fellow students the question today is
WHO wont end up in the lake of fire , in hells torments .
And the room goes silent and then a little voice
from the back of the classroom says , HEY , i know .
THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST . now how simple is that .
gotta say a sheep one has no worry of that place . the goats , WELL they better be totally terrified is all i can say .
ITS HIGH TIME we preach , we persuade men of the dire and absolute necessary need
TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . Always remember interfaith is of anti christ . I conclude this message
with a resounding set of words , TO THE LORD BE ALL GLORY PRAISE AND THANKSGIVINGS .

 

[Marvelloustime]

So simple it truly is . Behold BOTH the goodness and severity of GOD .
Allow me to ask a question and then let us hear lil johnnys answer from the back of the classroom .
Hello fellow students the question today is
WHO wont end up in the lake of fire , in hells torments .
And the room goes silent and then a little voice
from the back of the classroom says , HEY , i know .
THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST . now how simple is that .
gotta say a sheep one has no worry of that place . the goats , WELL they better be totally terrified is all i can say .
ITS HIGH TIME we preach , we persuade men of the dire and absolute necessary need
TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST . Always remember interfaith is of anti christ . I conclude this message
with a resounding set of words , TO THE LORD BE ALL GLORY PRAISE AND THANKSGIVINGS .

@amigo de christo