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Davy
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How many actually know what the word 'perdition' means? It is about perishing in the future "lake of fire" after God's Great White Throne Judgment of Revelation 20.
Has that Great White Throne Judgment event happened yet today? NO!
So why are the Biblically illiterate so ready to claim Judas Iscariot has already been judged to perdition in the future "lake of fire"? And I'm definitely not taking up for what Judas did, for it was ordained.
The matter, like Lord Jesus said in Matthew 25, the future "lake of fire" has been prepared for the devil and his angels, meaning ONLY the devil and his angels have already been judged to 'perdition' in the future "lake of fire".
Another issue is that the word "hell" in the KJV is not always the same word in the Greek New Testament manuscripts. So sometimes Jesus was speaking of the heavenly abode of the wicked more anciently known as Hades, and sometimes He was speaking of the future "lake of fire" event, which the abode of hell (hades) will eventually go into per the end of Revelation 20.
Don't forget to do your study homework brethren. It will clear up a lot of your questions. Get a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and look up those Greek manuscript definitions.
Has that Great White Throne Judgment event happened yet today? NO!
So why are the Biblically illiterate so ready to claim Judas Iscariot has already been judged to perdition in the future "lake of fire"? And I'm definitely not taking up for what Judas did, for it was ordained.
The matter, like Lord Jesus said in Matthew 25, the future "lake of fire" has been prepared for the devil and his angels, meaning ONLY the devil and his angels have already been judged to 'perdition' in the future "lake of fire".
Another issue is that the word "hell" in the KJV is not always the same word in the Greek New Testament manuscripts. So sometimes Jesus was speaking of the heavenly abode of the wicked more anciently known as Hades, and sometimes He was speaking of the future "lake of fire" event, which the abode of hell (hades) will eventually go into per the end of Revelation 20.
Don't forget to do your study homework brethren. It will clear up a lot of your questions. Get a Strong's Exhaustive Concordance and look up those Greek manuscript definitions.
That’s not what the Bible teaches. Judas Iscariot was not only judged in time, he was identified directly by Jesus as “the son of perdition” (John 17:12). That phrase is not generic, it is specific. Perdition means destruction, ruin, and damnation. Jesus did not say Judas will be the son of perdition, He said he was. His fate was sealed not just by what he did, but by who he truly was. Acts 1:25 makes it even clearer, Judas “by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” That was not just a grave, that was a destination of judgment. No, the Great White Throne Judgment has not happened yet, but Scripture still shows that some individuals are already condemned and appointed to destruction (2 Peter 2:1, Jude 4). The lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels (Matthew 25:41), but the wicked will share in it. Revelation 21:8 says, “the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars” will have their part there. The Bible does not confuse hell, Hades, Gehenna, or the lake of fire, people do. But twisting Greek word studies to water down clear warnings is dangerous. Judas was lost, and he is not an exception, he is an example. Do not follow him.
It’s interesting how quick some are to elevate themselves as experts just because they can quote Greek definitions or toss around theological terms, but forget the most important thing, God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6). The Bible is not a codebook for intellectuals, it is the living Word of God that reveals Christ to those who come with faith, not pride. In 1 Corinthians 1, Paul explained that God deliberately chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and the weak things to shame the strong. Most of those God uses are not noble, not mighty, not impressive in the world’s eyes, and that is by design, so no one can boast in His presence.
You say others are “biblically illiterate” for believing Judas is already judged, but Jesus Himself called him “the son of perdition” (John 17:12), and Acts 1:25 says he went “to his own place.” That is not speculation, that is Scripture. No amount of Strong’s Concordance word studies can override the plain meaning of God’s Word. The Jews in Jesus’ day wanted signs, and the Greeks wanted wisdom, but Jesus gave them one sign, the resurrection, and most still rejected it because it was not what they wanted. People like you still chase intellectual validation, but the gospel was never meant to impress the world. Paul said, “I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified” (1 Corinthians 2:2). That message is foolishness to the proud, but it is the power of God to those who believe.
You can talk down to others if you want, but God sees the heart. He uses the ones the world calls nobodies to preach a message that saves. That is how He gets the glory.
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