Messiah 2030

[covenantee]

Yep, not that Israel is bombing Iran's oil refineries which is going to really upset China and Russia who have been depending on Iran for fuel.

Israel is kicking butt and taking names!

And the Lord is blessing them in their right to self defense.

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

John 8
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Those are quite the blessings.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Matthew 23
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

John 8
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Those are quite the blessings.

LOL. If that is how He blesses Israel then I don't want to see how He talks to them when He is angry with them.

 

[The Light]

With what is going on with the Israel and Iran war, it is likely that Gog/Magog is not that far away.

It's at least 1000 years away.

 

[The Light]

Yep, not that Israel is bombing Iran's oil refineries which is going to really upset China and Russia who have been depending on Iran for fuel.

Russia's happy. They are a seller of oil, and they have to sell way under the market.

China's not going to be too happy. They will be buying more Russian oil.

 

[The Light]

. Nowhere does scripture or any dictionary define a generation as the human life span. You guys are incredibly dishonest and willing to twist scripture however you can to make it fit your doctrine. It's just pathetic to witness.

The generation that sees the fig tree sprout forth will not pass away until all is fulfilled. Nobody is being dishonest this.

 

[Douggg]

It's at least 1000 years away.

No, Gog/Magog attack on Israel in Ezekiel 39 is close at hand. The 7 years following the attack in Ezekiel 39:9 are the same 7 years of Daniel 9:27.

At the end of the 7 years, the feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20 is the same feast of Revelation 19:17-18. Read those two passages.

 

[Marilyn C]

towards the south, towards the east, is just a biblical way of saying southeast.

Iraq is east of Israel (the pleasant land of Daniel 8:9). So Iraq is not in the correct geographical position.


There will not be a global government, but the kingdom of the ten kings under the leadership of the beast king. In Revelation 17:17, the ten kings give their kingdom over to the beast to be king of it.

The ten kings and little horn person come out of the fourth kingdom (the Roman Empire) manifested in the end times, Daniel 7:23-25. i.e. out of the EU. The EEC, the European Economic Community, the predecessor to the EU, was founded by the Treaty of Rome in 1957.

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The Antichrist person must be a Jew, just as Christ was a Jew.

The prefix "Anti" can mean instead of or against.... or both instead of and against.....as will be in the case of the Antichrist.

The Antichrist will be instead of and against the true Christ, Jesus, the rightful king of Israel messiah.

That the Jews were looking for the king of Israel messiah at the time of the first century would have been because of the Daniel 9:25 prophecy about the messiah's coming after 69 weeks (of years).

And Christ meaning messiah is in John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

John 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

The A/C grew exceedingly great - south and east (other Arab countries) and towards Israel. that is all the Middle East.

The EU has only about 3 - 4oo million people and many of those are Islamic. And the Eu is not even keeping up with its replacement birthrate. On the other hand, Islam has nearly 2 billion and is growing in power throughout the world.

And the `Times of the Gentiles` ruling the world means exactly that - Gentiles.

I think you need to revise that other view.

 

[Douggg]

The A/C grew exceedingly great - south and east (other Arab countries) and towards Israel. that is all the Middle East.

The EU has only about 3 - 4oo million people and many of those are Islamic. And the Eu is not even keeping up with its replacement birthrate. On the other hand, Islam has nearly 2 billion and is growing in power throughout the world.

And the `Times of the Gentiles` ruling the world means exactly that - Gentiles.

I think you need to revise that other view.

Islam will basically end when the Gog/Magog event takes place.

Also, the person who becomes the beast-king will be worshiped for that 42 months stage of his evolution. It is fundamental to Islam not to worship a man either as God, or a god. So the beast-king will not be a Muslim. And even if Islam were still around at that time, the Muslims would not worship the beast-king.

 

[Douggg]

Marilyn,

Would a Muslim allow the Jews to build their temple on the temple mount ? And then later, in the middle part of the 7 years, following the destruction of the Gog/Magog destruction of the Muslim armies, go into that temple, sit, claiming to have achieved God-hood - without renouncing Islam ?

 

[Marilyn C]

Islam will basically end when the Gog/Magog event takes place.

Also, the person who becomes the beast-king will be worshiped for that 42 months stage of his evolution. It is fundamental to Islam not to worship a man either as God, or a god. So the beast-king will not be a Muslim. And even if Islam were still around at that time, the Muslims would not worship the beast-king.

At the Gog/Magog war it will ONLY be the Shia side of Islam, (Iran 10% of Islam.

Now remember that the 10 kings do away with all religion and former Muslims will worship the A/C as they are looking for him. He will deceive them and everyone else.

 

[Marilyn C]

Marilyn,

Would a Muslim allow the Jews to build their temple on the temple mount ? And then later, in the middle part of the 7 years, following the destruction of the Gog/Magog destruction of the Muslim armies, go into that temple, sit, claiming to have achieved God-hood - without renouncing Islam ?

The temple that the A/C sets himself up in is already there. It is not on the holy site but by Greek `naos` not `hieron` it has to be elsewhere.

 

[Berean]

Several groups and individuals believe the end will be here soon. I have several books that point to 2033. John Denton believes Armageddon will come in 2033. Gordon Ritchie, self-proclaimed prophet and former Jehovah's Witness and founder and leader of The Lord's Witnesses, has predicted 2008 and 2016 for the end. Not sure what date he has now. David Rice of San Diego has 2043 as the end.

Even the Jehovah's Witness leadership alluded to 2034 in the Watchtower magazine.

The Watchtower, December 15, 2003, Pages 14 - 19

Noah preached 120 years until the time of the flood, which was the time of the end to Noah and his generation . The December 15, 2003 Watchtower article is paralleling Noah's day to our present day. The Society is adding a 120 years to the 1914 date to come up with the hinted date of 2034. Words such as "Similar, Similarly, Similarity, Similarities, Parallel, Corresponds, Characteristic, Compare, Arklike and more are all throughout the article to back up their subtle and hinted claims.

Page 15, Paragraph 6 "In Noah's day, Jehovah declared: 'My spirit shall not act toward man indefinitely in that he is also flesh. Accordingly his days shall amount to a hundred and twenty years.' (Genesis 6:3) The issuance of this divine decree in 2490 B.C.E. marked the beginning of the end for that ungodly world. Just think what that meant for those then living! Only 120 years more and Jehovah would bring 'the deluge of waters upon the earth to bring to ruin all flesh in which the force of life is active from under the heavens.' - Genesis 6:17"​

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Page 15, Paragraph 7 "Noah received the warning of the upcoming catastrophe decades in advance and he wisely used the time to prepare for survival.' After being given divine warning of things not yet beheld,' says the apostle Paul, '[Noah] showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household.' (Hebrews 11:7) What about us? Some 90 years have passed since the last days of this system of things began in 1914. We are certainly in 'the time of the end.' (Daniel 12:4) How should we respond to warnings we have been given? 'He that does the will of God remains forever,' states the Bible. (1 John 2:17) Now is therefore the time to do Jehovah's will with a keen sense of urgency."​

Page 15, Paragraph 9 "Jehovah has kept these warnings in front of his people by means of timely reminders through the spiritual food provided by 'the faithful and discreet slave'"....​

 

[Douggg]

The temple that the A/C sets himself up in is already there. It is not on the holy site but by Greek `naos` not `hieron` it has to be elsewhere.

A temple has to be built where the Jews will be conducting animal sacrifices that the Antichrist will stop. That temple is presently not there.

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

Except, people do not understand what Jesus was actually saying here. Just an off hand question, if you knew the month or year does that BREAK the no man knows the Day nor Hour?

Imo,no.

This is tied in with the 7 Feasts, its a CLUE by Jesus/God when he is coming as per unto the Season. Did you know Jesus died on Passover? He then fulfilled the First-fruits because he was raised from the dead and he fulfilled the Unleavened Bread by having never sinned. Thus Jesus fulfilled the Three Spring Feasts.

We are now in the Feast or Weeks/Harvest and as out High Priest Jesus is leading us in the Harvesting of Souls, in a ONE OFF Summer Feast, just like the Church Age is a ONE OFF event, all the other Feasts are fulfilled whilst Israel were a Nation, before 70 AD and after the Pre Trib. Rapture (70th week events).

Here is THEY KEY to No man knows the Day nor Hour. The Feasts were APPOINTED TIMES by God, not on Days per se, but they followed Moon Phases, the New Moon always started a Feast and NO MAN could know the exact day the last sliver of light would turn into a totally New Moon (Pitch Black), you see, if it could happen just before the Sunset on a Tue. just after on a Wed. or just after the Sunset on Thurs. So, all Three Days barley coved over 24 hours. We know what month the Feast of Trumps fall in before he year starts, unless the few days also straddle a month, so we always know THE SEASON, and most pf the time THE MONTH, but no man ever knew the EXACT DAY NOR HOUR because these were Appointed Times by God going by the Moon Phases, only God knew. But they of course knew the SEASON of the Feast of Trumps. We can also know THE SEASON by looking at events, and if one thinks the Asteroid Apophis is the DOTL/God's Wrath and we know it hits on April 13 (Friday) 2029, then we can subtract 3.5 years from this Middle of the [70th] Week Event and understand the Rapture has to happen in the Fall of 2025, IF Apophis is the DOTL Event, it might not be, I think it is, but it comes back around in 7 years and it could be another Asteroid Impact.

Thus the Feast of Trumps ALWAYS ENDED the Harvest Season (think Church Age). Then the Feast of ATONEMENT means Israel must repent, after the Rapture of the Church but before the DOTL. Finally the Feast of Tabernacles means Jesus will dwell with mankind from Israel for 1000 years. How so? to TABERNACLE in Hebrew simply means God Dwelling with Man or vice versa.

Jesus fulfills all 7 Feasts. He blows the Trump that Raptures us to heaven, see Rev. 4:1. Thus we can not know the EXACT DAY NOR HOUR, but we should know THE SEASON.

Thank you for posting that.

 

[Marilyn C]

A temple has to be built where the Jews will be conducting animal sacrifices that the Antichrist will stop. That temple is presently not there.

Yes it is. It is in King George St. It is where they worship now. They will sacrifice the animal (red heifer) outside the wall, because they say it is still holy.

 

[Marilyn C]

Except, people do not understand what Jesus was actually saying here. Just an off hand question, if you knew the month or year does that BREAK the no man knows the Day nor Hour?

This is tied in with the 7 Feasts, its a CLUE by Jesus/God when he is coming as per unto the Season. Did you know Jesus died on Passover? He then fulfilled the First-fruits because he was raised from the dead and he fulfilled the Unleavened Bread by having never sinned. Thus Jesus fulfilled the Three Spring Feasts.

We are now in the Feast or Weeks/Harvest and as out High Priest Jesus is leading us in the Harvesting of Souls, in a ONE OFF Summer Feast, just like the Church Age is a ONE OFF event, all the other Feasts are fulfilled whilst Israel were a Nation, before 70 AD and after the Pre Trib. Rapture (70th week events).

Here is THEY KEY to No man knows the Day nor Hour. The Feasts were APPOINTED TIMES by God, not on Days per se, but they followed Moon Phases, the New Moon always started a Feast and NO MAN could know the exact day the last sliver of light would turn into a totally New Moon (Pitch Black), you see, if it could happen just before the Sunset on a Tue. just after on a Wed. or just after the Sunset on Thurs. So, all Three Days barley coved over 24 hours. We know what month the Feast of Trumps fall in before he year starts, unless the few days also straddle a month, so we always know THE SEASON, and most pf the time THE MONTH, but no man ever knew the EXACT DAY NOR HOUR because these were Appointed Times by God going by the Moon Phases, only God knew. But they of course knew the SEASON of the Feast of Trumps. We can also know THE SEASON by looking at events, and if one thinks the Asteroid Apophis is the DOTL/God's Wrath and we know it hits on April 13 (Friday) 2029, then we can subtract 3.5 years from this Middle of the [70th] Week Event and understand the Rapture has to happen in the Fall of 2025, IF Apophis is the DOTL Event, it might not be, I think it is, but it comes back around in 7 years and it could be another Asteroid Impact.

Thus the Feast of Trumps ALWAYS ENDED the Harvest Season (think Church Age). Then the Feast of ATONEMENT means Israel must repent, after the Rapture of the Church but before the DOTL. Finally the Feast of Tabernacles means Jesus will dwell with mankind from Israel for 1000 years. How so? to TABERNACLE in Hebrew simply means God Dwelling with Man or vice versa.

Jesus fulfills all 7 Feasts. He blows the Trump that Raptures us to heaven, see Rev. 4:1. Thus we can not know the EXACT DAY NOR HOUR, but we should know THE SEASON.

 

[Douggg]

Yes it is. It is in King George St. It is where they worship now. They will sacrifice the animal (red heifer) outside the wall, because they say it is still holy.

The temple has to be on the temple mount. Also there will be a brazen altar just outside and in front of the temple sanctuary building where the sacrifices are burnt.

When the beast-king (the Antichrist person) meets his end, it will be on the temple mount.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:15, that the abomination of desolation will be standing in the holy place, i.e. on the temple mount.

Those things just don't match up for the Antichrist to be a Muslim. The Antichrist will be a Jew who the Jews will think for a while is their long awaited king of Israel messiah.

 

[Marilyn C]

The temple has to be on the temple mount. Also there will be a brazen altar just outside and in front of the temple sanctuary building where the sacrifices are burnt.

When the beast-king (the Antichrist person) meets his end, it will be on the temple mount.

Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Jesus said in Matthew 24:15, that the abomination of desolation will be standing in the holy place, i.e. on the temple mount.

Those things just don't match up for the Antichrist to be a Muslim. The Antichrist will be a Jew who the Jews will think for a while is their long awaited king of Israel messiah.

No it doesn`t. When Jesus was talking about the Temple in His day He always referred to is as `hieron.` But the temple that the A/C will set himself up in is `naos` meaning a temple elsewhere than the sacred site.

 

[covenantee]

But the temple that the A/C will set himself up in is `naos` meaning a temple elsewhere than the sacred site.

What Scripture supports your claim?

 

[Douggg]

No it doesn`t. When Jesus was talking about the Temple in His day He always referred to is as `hieron.` But the temple that the A/C will set himself up in is `naos` meaning a temple elsewhere than the sacred site.

No, not a temple elsewhere.

Naos is a particular part of the temple complex, accessible only to priests.
Hieron is the entire teimple complex.

• Naos: Refers to the inner sanctuary, like the Holy of Holies, accessible only to priests.
• Hieron: Encompasses the entire temple complex, including outer courts where people gathered and interacted