Yes, I was joking in a friendly way.I thought you were being sarcastic (in a good way) so I laughed at your joke.
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Yes, I was joking in a friendly way.I thought you were being sarcastic (in a good way) so I laughed at your joke.
You're absolutely right—ἐκκλησία (ekklesia) is grammatically feminine in Greek.Correct me if I'm wrong but ekklesia is feminine
Sister, I appreciate the question and the desire to rightly divide the Word of truth. This isn’t just theological curiosity—it’s about understanding who we are in Christ, what He’s done, and what He’s preparing us for. So let’s not treat it lightly.Precious brother, likewise appreciate your pursuit of God's Truth, Rightly Dividing All
( "The FULL Weight" of ) Scripture.
What is your take on the "Present Union" Of The Church, Which Is His Body United as "members Of
His Flesh And His Bones" as the "One New Man" (Ephesians 2:15 AV) = a male groom or a female 'bride'?
My take is here:
Is The Body Of Christ The Lamb's Wife?
Amen.
I think "the body" and "the bride" are two sides of the same coin : Eve was Adam's own body and was his bride, and Christ is the antitype to Adam (Ro 5)--His body being His bride would make perfect sense.The "body" language describes function and union. The "bride" language describes relationship and celebration. Same Church. Different emphasis depending on the context
I know, it is almost comical, if it was not so serious a threat to your spiritual health.The Scofield Bible from Hell turned the Gospel upside down on its head. It's like watching the entire Star Wars trilogy and going - "Let me “rightly divide the word of truth” for you brother. You see, in our interpretation, Yoda failed in his mission to train Luke and Luke was evil all along anyway. The Emperor and Darth Vader were the good guys and the treasonous, evil Skywalker twins and the evil Yoda lost the war and the Emperor won." I kid you not... That's how far off the mark they are but with the Bible. Evangelical Dispensationalism is literally from Hell; it's from the Dragon. Christian scholars could probably have an Oxford debate to decide if what they even follow is Christianity at all.. There's no way the Apostles or the early Church Fathers would say it is.. They're not even on the wide road, they went off roading and are somewhere out in the Mojave desert lost in a cave. None of this would be happening if not for 1909 and the release of the Bible from the Pit.
Repent.
Figure of speech, yes. But if Peter was the most prominent or chiefest apostle of the 12, he might in a way also represent them all. But also there's no denying that Jesus called him by his new name, which means rock or stone.Earlier Paul said, 1Corinthians 3:11,
- other foundation can no man lay than that is laid which is Jesus Christ
Ephesians is explained by understanding that the apostles and prophets is figurative language known as metonymy.
What they preached i.e. the gospel truth is what the foundation is built upon, Peter's confession.
Based upon the truth of the gospel Jesus built His church.
The teaching of the gospel from the apostles in this verse is replaced with the apostles and prophets themselves. This is a figure of speech known as metonymy.
I agree those verses are not enough to go on by themselves, just thought they showed how some men in the church including apostles could have more prominence than others, but there are at least a couple more verses that give that impression (Gal 2:2 and Acts 15:22). And in Gal 2:9 Paul said he perceived Peter, James and John were "pillars". (But not in such a way as to give them official status and titles because the early church under the apostles endeavoured to remain in the simplicity of Christ, following His example and ways...eg,"who would be greatest among you must be servant of all".)You must know the context.
False teachers claiming to be super apostles were convincing some of the church in Corinth that Paul was inferior as an apostle to them.
This is why Paul said what he said.
But the old archaic King James version makes it more difficult to understand Paul in this passage.
I dont' know much about Star Wars, lol, but agree with the rest. This is all leading to Jerusalem and a new temple there, and the cult like delusion that will emanate from there....I believe it is and will be spiritual warfare of the highest level so to speak. We all need to beware, sober and alert, and clinging closely to the Lord, looking to Him for strength and to keep us in the truth.....but believers who are most vulnerable will be Hebrew roots folks who are also looking for a saviour/messiah to usher in an earthly utopia.The Scofield Bible from Hell turned the Gospel upside down on its head. It's like watching the entire Star Wars trilogy and going - "Let me “rightly divide the word of truth” for you brother. You see, in our interpretation, Yoda failed in his mission to train Luke and Luke was evil all along anyway. The Emperor and Darth Vader were the good guys and the treasonous, evil Skywalker twins and the evil Yoda lost the war and the Emperor won in the end." I kid you not... That's how far off the mark they are but with the Bible. Evangelical Dispensationalism is literally from Hell; it's from the Dragon. Christian scholars could probably have an Oxford debate to decide if what they even follow is Christianity at all.. There's no way the Apostles or the early Church Fathers would say it is.. They're not even on the wide road, they went off roading and are somewhere out in the Mojave desert lost in a cave. None of this would be happening if not for 1909 and the release of the Bible from the Pit.
Repent.
Thanks brother Shane, you can call me brother Chris ♫Sister, I appreciate the question and the desire to rightly divide the Word of truth.
My apologies brother ChrisThanks brother Shane, you can call me brother Chris ♫↑
And look who sits in that temple, the devil's own.I dont' know much about Star Wars, lol, but agree with the rest. This is all leading to Jerusalem and a new temple there, and the cult like delusion that will emanate from there....I believe it is and will be spiritual warfare of the highest level so to speak. We all need to beware, sober and alert, and clinging closely to the Lord, looking to Him for strength and to keep us in the truth.....but believers who are most vulnerable will be Hebrew roots folks who are also looking for a saviour/messiah to usher in an earthly utopia.
The church the body of Christ isnt the brideThe title of the thread is "The Church Is Not The Bride Of Christ" LOL
Then your title is wrong.The church the body of Christ isnt the bride
The church of God which is the believing remnant is
Peter and the disciples are the bride...........They arent in the body of Christ.....................the believing remnant are given the kingdom on earth not the body of Christ.......Peter and the disciples are given positions over the tribes in the kingdom........[Luk 22:29-30 KJV] 29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Actually so is the church in the wilderness composed of old testament saints
[Act 7:38 KJV] 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
[Mat 8:11-12 KJV] 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The Bride of Christ is the Church—Jew and Gentile made one in Christ (Eph. 2:14–22, Eph. 5:25–32). There aren't multiple brides or divided bodies. Peter wasn’t part of a different church—he affirmed Paul and was filled with the same Spirit (Acts 2, 2 Peter 3:15–16). This kind of theology splits what Christ made one. I stand on the unity of the gospel.The church the body of Christ isnt the bride
The church of God which is the believing remnant is
Peter and the disciples are the bride...........They arent in the body of Christ.....................the believing remnant are given the kingdom on earth not the body of Christ.......Peter and the disciples are given positions over the tribes in the kingdom........[Luk 22:29-30 KJV] 29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Actually so is the church in the wilderness composed of old testament saints
[Act 7:38 KJV] 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
[Mat 8:11-12 KJV] 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Are you trying to resolve Acts 21 with this odd, deranged, interpretation of Scripture? I don't understand what problem you're trying to solve by (illegitimately) dividing the Church up like this. Or is this really just your straightforward reading of the texts? What problem are you trying to solve (if you are trying to solve a problem) with this strange interpretation?The church the body of Christ isnt the bride
The church of God which is the believing remnant is
Peter and the disciples are the bride...........They arent in the body of Christ.....................the believing remnant are given the kingdom on earth not the body of Christ.......Peter and the disciples are given positions over the tribes in the kingdom........[Luk 22:29-30 KJV] 29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Actually so is the church in the wilderness composed of old testament saints
[Act 7:38 KJV] 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
[Mat 8:11-12 KJV] 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The church the believing remnant/ the little flock are given the kingdom on earthWhere is the distinction made between a "body of Christ Church" and a "remnant of Israel Church"? LOL!
But Jesus said "Your Kingdom come, Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven", so God's Heavenly Kingdom is coming to earth, so there's no division between God's Kingdom on earth and God's Kingdom in heaven, so why are you saying these things? What are you doing? Why are you making such a mess of things?The church the believing remnant/ the little flock are given the kingdom on earth
[Luk 12:32 KJV] 32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
[Mat 8:11-12 KJV] 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The children of the kingdom is Israel Acts 3:25
The body of Christ is not given the earthly kingdom we are given the heavenly places
[Eph 2:6 KJV] 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
[Eph 3:10 KJV] 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly [places] might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
I'm afraid this theology is rebuilding the partition between Jew and Gentile that Jesus tore down.The church the body of Christ isnt the bride
The church of God which is the believing remnant is
Peter and the disciples are the bride...........They arent in the body of Christ.....................the believing remnant are given the kingdom on earth not the body of Christ.......Peter and the disciples are given positions over the tribes in the kingdom........[Luk 22:29-30 KJV] 29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; 30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Actually so is the church in the wilderness composed of old testament saints
[Act 7:38 KJV] 38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and [with] our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:
[Mat 8:11-12 KJV] 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Brother, I can tell you're trying to rightly divide the Word. That’s a noble thing. But what you're describing sounds like the framework of hyperdispensationalism—and I need to speak plainly.The church the believing remnant/ the little flock are given the kingdom on earth
[Luk 12:32 KJV] 32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.
[Mat 8:11-12 KJV] 11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
The children of the kingdom is Israel Acts 3:25
The body of Christ is not given the earthly kingdom we are given the heavenly places
[Eph 2:6 KJV] 6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
[Eph 3:10 KJV] 10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly [places] might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,