Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?

[David in NJ]

IF memory serves me , and as i often do read the posts but dont always respond .
ME beleives that man was REBUILDER who said that , or wrote that to you .
This sheep is always watching folks . Not cause i hate , not cause i am wicked
But for the good of this people . I know who wrote that to you my friend .
Sure hope he too repents .

i always accept loving rebuke for i know that God knows "the heart of man is desperately wicked, who can know it"

 

[amigo de christo]

This can also be applied to pre-trib as well......

and remember what this guy said yesterday:

What if i told you that pre trib was invented of men and came NOT OF GOD .
Oh wait you already KNOW that . Many will embrace anti christ and even know embrace that which is of anti christ
and is leading them all to merge as one in total and upmost rebellion against CHRIST and the saints .
And while this aint exactly new , ITS GONNA BE MASSIVE that tribulation which cometh AGAINST the true sheep .
WORLD WIDE . which means EVEN HERE IN AMERICA , canada , the west and etc .
A time of great delusion and of reprobation of minds has set in BIG TIME
and it was given unto all who would and do REJECT THE TRUTH .
THEY WILL BUY THE LIE and be DAMNED . in fact i am gonna be real bold
and say ANY AND ALL NOT IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE do worship it and shall worship this ungodly entity
that has come in its own name . And it has always been not just a deciever BUT THE DECIEVER
not just a liar BUT THE FATHER OF LIES . And it has been even in the garden .
AND always do it come as though ITS ya best friend and KNOWS what is better for you THAN EVEN GOD DOES
as IT DENIES HIS TRUTH and giveth its twisted doctrine which the deceived surely love and do buy .
JESUS IS THE ONLY HOPE a man has . And if one denies HIM , THEY DENY GOD
and if one claims HIM but denies HIS WORDS , THEY HAVE DENIED HIM .

 

[DJT_47]

Baptist simple fix = they will argue that Stephen was present at "the time of the apostles and gifts"

Is this not true @DJT_47

I don't know what your point is. They, the apostles, laid their hands on Stephen which imparted the manifestation of the Spirit through him, enabling the miracles he performed.

Acts 6

5This proposal pleased the whole group. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, as well as Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism.b 6They presented these seven to the apostles,c who prayed and laid their hands on them.

 

[amigo de christo]

i always accept loving rebuke for i know that God knows "the heart of man is desperately wicked, who can know it"

No man is infallible . But by grace I KNOW WHO IS , AND I KNOW HIS WORDS BE TRUTH .
And that HIS WORDS shall endure
but man is as the grass and the glory of man is as the flower of said grass , NO SOONER IS THE SUN RISEN
and the grass be burnt and the flower fades . BUT THE WORD OF GOD ALL MIGHTY , OF THE LAMB
ENDURES FOREVER .
AND HIS WORDS , Yes HIS LOVELY WORDS , WILL BE THE JUDGE . yet many sure love to twist his words
and thus THEY DO IT unto ................................drum roll ......................THEIR OWN DESRUCTION .
but sheep , WELL they follow HIM . and a stranger , NO SIR , they flee the voice of the stranger .

 

[David in NJ]

I don't know what your point is. They, the apostles, laid their hands on Stephen which imparted the manifestation of the Spirit through him, enabling the miracles he performed.

Acts 6

5This proposal pleased the whole group. They chose Stephen, a man full of faith and of the Holy Spirit, as well as Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas from Antioch, a convert to Judaism.b 6They presented these seven to the apostles,c who prayed and laid their hands on them.

The point is exactly that which you truthfully & accurately stated: "the apostles, laid their hands on Stephen which imparted the manifestation of the Spirit through him, enabling the miracles he performed."

Did you read 1 Corinthians 1:1-9 ???

 

[DJT_47]

The point is exactly that which you truthfully & accurately stated: "the apostles, laid their hands on Stephen which imparted the manifestation of the Spirit through him, enabling the miracles he performed."

Did you read 1 Corinthians 1:1-9 ???

It seems we agree. The apostles laid their hands on Stephen which enabled him to perform the works and miracles he did. And I've read that many times. What is your point here? This was written to and had pertinance to them, not us.

 

[Triumph1300]

This was written to and had permanence to them, not us.

I guess that is preached in todays Baptist Churches, certainly not in Pentecostal Churches.

 

[David in NJ]

It seems we agree. The apostles laid their hands on Stephen which enabled him to perform the works and miracles he did. And I've read that many times. What is your point here? This was written to and had permanence to them, not us.

Did you read 1 Corinthians 1:1-9 ???

1 Corinthians 1:1-9 has direct permanence to us Today.

 

[DJT_47]

I guess that is preached in todays Baptist Churches, certainly not in Pentecostal Churches.

I'm not a Baptist; I'm a Christian, and your point has no meaning or merit. Just your words.

 

[rebuilder 454]

IF memory serves me , and as i often do read the posts but dont always respond .
ME beleives that man was REBUILDER who said that , or wrote that to you .
This sheep is always watching folks . Not cause i hate , not cause i am wicked
But for the good of this people . I know who wrote that to you my friend .
Sure hope he too repents .

Repent for what exactly???
Telling the truth?
Repent for truth?
Just plain bizarre.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What if i told you that pre trib was invented of men and came NOT OF GOD .
Oh wait you already KNOW that . Many will embrace anti christ and even know embrace that which is of anti christ
and is leading them all to merge as one in total and upmost rebellion against CHRIST and the saints .
And while this aint exactly new , ITS GONNA BE MASSIVE that tribulation which cometh AGAINST the true sheep .
WORLD WIDE . which means EVEN HERE IN AMERICA , canada , the west and etc .
A time of great delusion and of reprobation of minds has set in BIG TIME
and it was given unto all who would and do REJECT THE TRUTH .
THEY WILL BUY THE LIE and be DAMNED . in fact i am gonna be real bold
and say ANY AND ALL NOT IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE do worship it and shall worship this ungodly entity
that has come in its own name . And it has always been not just a deciever BUT THE DECIEVER
not just a liar BUT THE FATHER OF LIES . And it has been even in the garden .
AND always do it come as though ITS ya best friend and KNOWS what is better for you THAN EVEN GOD DOES
as IT DENIES HIS TRUTH and giveth its twisted doctrine which the deceived surely love and do buy .
JESUS IS THE ONLY HOPE a man has . And if one denies HIM , THEY DENY GOD
and if one claims HIM but denies HIS WORDS , THEY HAVE DENIED HIM .

Jesus preached pretrib rapture.
Tell Jesus to repent.????
You guys serious?????
Refusing the word of God, and telling us that can read without postribber goggles and supposition , to repent?????
Your inability to understand end times doesn't effect your salvation. Not at all.
Why do postribbers even go there? ?
That SHOULD INVOKE RED FLAGS that you guys are off, not only in understanding end times ,but sly attempts to discredit those of a different view as unsaved.
Again, and celebrate ya'lls bad attitude.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus preached pretrib rapture.
Tell Jesus to repent.????
You guys serious?????
Refusing the word of God, and telling us that can read without postribber goggles and supposition , to repent?????
Your inability to understand end times doesn't effect your salvation. Not at all.
Why do postribbers even go there? ?
That SHOULD INVOKE RED FLAGS that you guys are off, not only in understanding end times ,but sly attempts to discredit those of a different view as unsaved.
Again, and celebrate ya'lls bad attitude.

JESUS didnt preach this mess of what men consider pre trib .
JESUS preached and warned about how persecutions and tribulations would come upon them .
This pre trib is a total mess .
They even contradict themselves non stop .
THE ONLY WRATH WE DONT and WONT go under , IS THE WRATH OF THE LAMB , OF GOD ALL MIGHTY
As for the beast and this world , OH its coming in like a train upon the true sheep .
The only difference between the tribulation that all saints have went through in all ages
AND the one we about to face ourselves . OH IT aint the blood
ITS THE AMOUNT they gonna kill in the name of love , peace , interfaith of antichrist demonic junk they all about into .
THEY all beleived was of GOD , but iT was of the world . ITS increasing massively as we speak
and soon the CRUSADES will come against the true sheep . My
advice is prepare to lose all for JESUS sake , cause many are gonna bleed for him .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?
Just to be clear, I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received
the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed. They were missing something else.

Acts 8:14-17 NIV
When the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had accepted the word of God, they sent Peter and John to Samaria.
15 When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit,
16 because the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
17 Then Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Here are the facts:
1) Those in Samaria were believers (had accepted the word of God)
2) They had received baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. (water baptism)
3) But the Holy Spirit had not yet come on any of them. (had not yet "come on" any of them?)
4) Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit. (prayed for them)

Why hadn't the baptized believers in Samaria received the Holy Spirit?
They were water baptized believers in the Lord Jesus.

- There was evidence that they were believers. (as stated in the text)
- There was evidence that they had been water baptized. (as stated in the text)
- There was, however, no evidence that they had received the Holy Spirit. (as stated in the text)

What evidence were the Apostles looking for?
"Peter and John placed their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit." - Acts 8:17 NIV
("When they arrived, they prayed for the new believers there that they might receive the Holy Spirit," - vs 15)
This text doesn't tell us. We'll have to look elsewhere.

Let me restate...
I do not question whether the believers in Samaria had received the "indwelling" Spirit when they believed.
They were missing something else. That something else is the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. (the Spirit "on" them)

Continued in Post #2Well they were missing the infilling of the spirit which is the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

They had not received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit which is the Baptism in the Holy spirit.

One has to remember that Peter was the one who was given teh keys of the kingdom. what do keys do? Open doors! Peter was teh first church memeber to preach to the Jews after Pentecost- thus opening the door to the Jews.

He had to pray for the Samaritans to open the door to the Samaritans and He preached to the first gentile (Cornelius), thus opening the door fot the gospel to go to the gentiles, which Pauyl filled abundantly.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What if i told you that pre trib was invented of men and came NOT OF GOD .
Oh wait you already KNOW that . Many will embrace anti christ and even know embrace that which is of anti christ
and is leading them all to merge as one in total and upmost rebellion against CHRIST and the saints .
And while this aint exactly new , ITS GONNA BE MASSIVE that tribulation which cometh AGAINST the true sheep .
WORLD WIDE . which means EVEN HERE IN AMERICA , canada , the west and etc .
A time of great delusion and of reprobation of minds has set in BIG TIME
and it was given unto all who would and do REJECT THE TRUTH .
THEY WILL BUY THE LIE and be DAMNEDU . in fact i am gonna be real bold
and say ANY AND ALL NOT IN THE LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE do worship it and shall worship this ungodly entity
that has come in its own name . And it has always been not just a deciever BUT THE DECIEVER
not just a liar BUT THE FATHER OF LIES . And it has been even in the garden .
AND always do it come as though ITS ya best friend and KNOWS what is better for you THAN EVEN GOD DOES
as IT DENIES HIS TRUTH and giveth its twisted doctrine which the deceived surely love and do buy .
JESUS IS THE ONLY HOPE a man has . And if one denies HIM , THEY DENY GOD
and if one claims HIM but denies HIS WORDS , THEY HAVE DENIED HIM .

QUOTE:
"A time of great delusion and of reprobation of minds has set in BIG TIME"

Yep all you left behind ones are definately decieved.
Do a bible study and leave off the postribber goggles.

QUOTE:
"and it was given unto all who would and do REJECT THE TRUTH .
THEY WILL BUY THE LIE and be DAMNED"

Sorry to see you reject truth. I don't know if you are damned, but you , and all postribs will stay behind and face the one you are looking for...(the AC with an axe to chop off your head for sure).
God will honor your casting down of the invite to the wedding.

QUOTE :
"as IT DENIES HIS TRUTH and giveth its twisted doctrine which the deceived surely love and do buy"

I am sorry that people decieved by the postrib rapture doctrine are so deceived.
Psssssst....those in deception are unaware that they are in deception.
Your approach to the Word of God is mental.
That guarantees a level of deception.

 

[rebuilder 454]

JESUS didnt preach this mess of what men consider pre trib .
JESUS preached and warned about how persecutions and tribulations would come upon them .
This pre trib is a total mess .
They even contradict themselves non stop .
THE ONLY WRATH WE DONT and WONT go under , IS THE WRATH OF THE LAMB , OF GOD ALL MIGHTY
As for the beast and this world , OH its coming in like a train upon the true sheep .
The only difference between the tribulation that all saints have went through in all ages
AND the one we about to face ourselves . OH IT aint the blood
ITS THE AMOUNT they gonna kill in the name of love , peace , interfaith of antichrist demonic junk they all about into .
THEY all beleived was of GOD , but iT was of the world . ITS increasing massively as we speak
and soon the CRUSADES will come against the true sheep . My
advice is prepare to lose all for JESUS sake , cause many are gonna bleed for him .

Post one verse supporting postrib rapture.
Should be real easy.

 

[amigo de christo]

QUOTE:
"A time of great delusion and of reprobation of minds has set in BIG TIME"

Yep all you left behind ones are definately decieved.
Do a bible study and leave off the postribber goggles.

QUOTE:
"and it was given unto all who would and do REJECT THE TRUTH .
THEY WILL BUY THE LIE and be DAMNED"

Sorry to see you reject truth. I don't know if you are damned, but you , and all postribs will stay behind and face the one you are looking for...(the AC with an axe to chop off your head for sure).
God will honor your casting down of the invite to the wedding.

QUOTE :
"as IT DENIES HIS TRUTH and giveth its twisted doctrine which the deceived surely love and do buy"

I am sorry that people decieved by the postrib rapture doctrine are so deceived.
Psssssst....those in deception are unaware that they are in deception.
Your approach to the Word of God is mental.
That guarantees a level of deception.

Oh how funny , you thought i was POST TRIB .
no . i aint pre, mid or post trib .
I JUST KNOW HIS COMING is a one time event , FOR THE SHEEP and to LAY DOWN HIS OWN WRATH
against , the beast , fp , and all who loved that lie . I did tell you i never sat in church right .
I just , by grace love to read that bible and have by grace done so for years now .
PS , pre trib is a lie and there are dangers in many of mens doctrines . HE who endures to the end
the same shall be saved .
Its all gonna hit a head my friend . I never asked you
what do you think about yalls beloved TRUMP and his interfaith , abraham peace accords , religious tolerance stuff .
BEFORE YOU ANSWER , IT CAME RIGHT FROM the vatican . WE BEEN DUPED
i sure hope you see that and have no part or lott in that matter of interfaith finding common ground .

 

[amigo de christo]

Post one vers supporting postrib rapture.
Should be real easy.

this might suprise you
but you might ask yourself why i am in no way led to even try and bring one scrip too ya .
AND i dont do things when i am NOT LED to do them .
BUT i already know the why .
DAVID and scores of others have brought you A TON of stuff proving this
and all you do is jump around it . You , my friend are on your own . LEST of course
i get later unctioned to go and show you . IN the meantime .
GET IN the BIBLE for YOU and stop reading it through any pre , mid , post or whatever mindset .
JUST read it for you . HURRY now . you will learn .

 

[rebuilder 454]

JESUS didnt preach this mess of what men consider pre trib .
JESUS preached and warned about how persecutions and tribulations would come upon them .
This pre trib is a total mess .
They even contradict themselves non stop .
THE ONLY WRATH WE DONT and WONT go under , IS THE WRATH OF THE LAMB , OF GOD ALL MIGHTY
As for the beast and this world , OH its coming in like a train upon the true sheep .
The only difference between the tribulation that all saints have went through in all ages
AND the one we about to face ourselves . OH IT aint the blood
ITS THE AMOUNT they gonna kill in the name of love , peace , interfaith of antichrist demonic junk they all about into .
THEY all beleived was of GOD , but iT was of the world . ITS increasing massively as we speak
and soon the CRUSADES will come against the true sheep . My
advice is prepare to lose all for JESUS sake , cause many are gonna bleed for him .

QUOTE:
"JESUS didnt preach this mess of what men consider pre trib"

Jesus said his coming was compared to the days of Lot and Noah.
Jesus said "BEFORE THE FLOOD"
Your men teachers deny this.
You have Jesus gathering Lot And Noah AFTER THE FLOOD, and after Sodom burns.
.....kinda hard to wiggle out of it.
Jesus even told you " normal life, and everyday life at the rapture.
Jesus TOLD YOU, "... buying and selling at the rapture"
Your doctrine casts that down.
Literally casting down Jesus words and calling Jesus words "mess"

 

[rebuilder 454]

Oh how funny , you thought i was POST TRIB .
no . i aint pre, mid or post trib .
I JUST KNOW HIS COMING is a one time event , FOR THE SHEEP and to LAY DOWN HIS OWN WRATH
against , the beast , fp , and all who loved that lie . I did tell you i never sat in church right .
I just , by grace love to read that bible and have by grace done so for years now .
PS , pre trib is a lie and there are dangers in many of mens doctrines . HE who endures to the end
the same shall be saved .
Its all gonna hit a head my friend . I never asked you
what do you think about yalls beloved TRUMP and his interfaith , abraham peace accords , religious tolerance stuff .
BEFORE YOU ANSWER , IT CAME RIGHT FROM the vatican . WE BEEN DUPED
i sure hope you see that and have no part or lott in that matter of interfaith finding common ground .

Lol
You claimed there will be great tribulation coming to America and no rapture.

So now you say you don't know of any rapture???

QUOTE:
" his coming is a one time event"

Ok so you don't know of the Jews gathered?
The 144k in heaven in Rev 14 DURING THE TRIB?
The gathering of the main harvest of rev 14:14????
Those 2 gatherings of Rev 14 are NOT THE RAPTURE of 1 thes 4.
Only creative mental bible readers try to muddy that up.

If a bible student does not get the 2 covenants straight, they will never understand end times.

Postribbers definately do not get it.

Sad indeed.
Such basic bible, and they are decieved.

 

[rebuilder 454]

this might suprise you
but you might ask yourself why i am in no way led to even try and bring one scrip too ya .
AND i dont do things when i am NOT LED to do them .
BUT i already know the why .
DAVID and scores of others have brought you A TON of stuff proving this
and all you do is jump around it . You , my friend are on your own . LEST of course
i get later unctioned to go and show you . IN the meantime .
GET IN the BIBLE for YOU and stop reading it through any pre , mid , post or whatever mindset .
JUST read it for you . HURRY now . you will learn .

I am the one centering on the Word.

My centering on end times changed about 15 years ago.
I am centered on the groom coming for the bride.
You appear to be centered on tribulation and calling others deceived.

My prism for all end times Is the coming marriage in heaven VIVIDLY depicted BY JESUS in Matthew 25.

The times of the Gentiles completed by the pretrib rapture , and the beheading of postribbrrs left behind.
That is coming soon.
Then JACOBS TROUBLE BEGINS.
DANIEL'S 70 week.
Appointed to the Jews to bring them in as ROMANS 11 DECLARES.

No other doctrine covers this basic bible fact.

Only pretrib rapture presents a cohesive panoramic picture of end times, that INCLUDES the groom and bride BIBLICAL dynamic, as well as the 2 Covents covered BY JESUS IN HIS BOOK.

No other position covers the Bible covenants, or the bride and groom dynamic.

Hands down .....no contest.
We literally own end times