Will Christ utter new words in a Premil millennium?

[grafted branch]

I had a conversation with a Premil friend of mine about how he can be sure the millennium hasn’t already occurred. In a nutshell, he said that during the millennium Christ will be ruling and His words during that time will be recorded and His words will not pass away. Since we currently don’t have His words from the millennial rule, we can know for certain it hasn’t happened.

I said how do we know whether or not Christ will actually utter any words during the millennium, other than what has already been written? His only response was that it should be obvious that Christ will be speaking many words during His reign.

I’ve been thinking about this and does the Premil position also mean that the cannon of Scripture is not yet complete? I know the Revelation 22:18-19 warning is if any man add or subtract, but an argument can certainly be made that Christ is not in view in those verses.

So will there be new chapters or books added to the Bible during the Premil millennium? Can there be more time added in somewhere after the millennium by Christ uttering new prophecies? Or could it be possible that Christ doesn’t speak at all during the millennium?

I’m not trying to debate anything, I’m just curious what others think about this.

 

[WPM]

I had a conversation with a Premil friend of mine about how he can be sure the millennium hasn’t already occurred. In a nutshell, he said that during the millennium Christ will be ruling and His words during that time will be recorded and His words will not pass away. Since we currently don’t have His words from the millennial rule, we can know for certain it hasn’t happened.

I said how do we know whether or not Christ will actually utter any words during the millennium, other than what has already been written? His only response was that it should be obvious that Christ will be speaking many words during His reign.

I’ve been thinking about this and does the Premil position also mean that the cannon of Scripture is not yet complete? I know the Revelation 22:18-19 warning is if any man add or subtract, but an argument can certainly be made that Christ is not in view in those verses.

So will there be new chapters or books added to the Bible during the Premil millennium? Can there be more time added in somewhere after the millennium by Christ uttering new prophecies? Or could it be possible that Christ doesn’t speak at all during the millennium?

I’m not trying to debate anything, I’m just curious what others think about this.

Why worry? It will never happen! We are in Rev 20 now.

 

[grafted branch]

Why worry? It will never happen! We are in Rev 20 now.

Well, I’m not worried but it just seemed strange to me that the Premil position would allow, and seemingly require that the cannon not be complete.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

His words during that time will be recorded and His words will not pass away

His Word have already been recorded and will never pass away.

Well, I’m not worried but it just seemed strange to me that the Premil position would allow, and seemingly require that the cannon not be complete.

God's Word is complete.

There will be more action coming from the Lord especially in His 1000 Reign but He will continue to operate and function within the Word of God that has already been spoken

 

[Marty fox]

Well, I’m not worried but it just seemed strange to me that the Premil position would allow, and seemingly require that the cannon not be complete.

John 19:28-30

New International Version

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The Death of Jesus​

28 Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” 29 A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. 30 When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.​
This pretty well sums it all up.

 

[grafted branch]

God's Word is complete.

There will be more action coming from the Lord especially in His 1000 Reign but he will continue to operate and function within the Word of God that has already been spoken

Ok, so are you of the opinion that Christ will only say what’s already been written during the millennium, and no new utterances will be made?

 

[Marty fox]

His Word have already been recorded and will never pass away.





God's Word is complete.

There will be more action coming from the Lord especially in His 1000 Reign but he will continue to operate and function within the Word of God that has already been spoken

So do you think Jesus will reign because satan is bound?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Ok, so are you of the opinion that Christ will only say what’s already been written during the millennium, and no new utterances will be made?

Go study God's Word.

He said not one jot or title will pass away.

He will always operate and function within the Word of God that has already been spoken

If He says anything new, it will be within the Word of God that has already been spoken because He cannot lie.

So do you think Jesus will reign because satan is bound?

Jesus is the One who is going to lock up the devil and all His demons.

His reign is because He is all powerful and has already defeated the punk forces of darkness.

He'll step on them like we step on little bugs!

 

[Marty fox]

Go study God's Word.

He said not one jot or title will pass away.

He will always operate and function within the Word of God that has already been spoken

If He says anything new, it will be within the Word of God that has already been spoken because He cannot lie.






Jesus is the One who is going to lock up the devil and all His demons.

His reign is because He is all powerful and has already defeated the punk forces of darkness.

He'll step on them like we step on little bugs!

Okay good so yes Jesus reigns because of who He is and not because satan is bound, but will their be peace and no sin because satan is bound?

 

[grafted branch]

He will always operate and function within the Word of God that has already been spoken

If He says anything new, it will be within the Word of God that has already been spoken because He cannot lie.

Sure, I’m not implying that Jesus will go against what has already been written. But where does it say He couldn’t add in something that would still keep all the other words already spoken true?

For instance why couldn’t Christ add in an extra 7,000 years in between the millennium and Satan’s little season? Satan being loosed after the millennium would still be true just an extra 7,000 years added in between, kinda like 2,000 years in between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I had a conversation with a Premil friend of mine about how he can be sure the millennium hasn’t already occurred. In a nutshell, he said that during the millennium Christ will be ruling and His words during that time will be recorded and His words will not pass away. Since we currently don’t have His words from the millennial rule, we can know for certain it hasn’t happened.

I said how do we know whether or not Christ will actually utter any words during the millennium, other than what has already been written? His only response was that it should be obvious that Christ will be speaking many words during His reign.

I’ve been thinking about this and does the Premil position also mean that the cannon of Scripture is not yet complete? I know the Revelation 22:18-19 warning is if any man add or subtract, but an argument can certainly be made that Christ is not in view in those verses.

So will there be new chapters or books added to the Bible during the Premil millennium? Can there be more time added in somewhere after the millennium by Christ uttering new prophecies? Or could it be possible that Christ doesn’t speak at all during the millennium?

I’m not trying to debate anything, I’m just curious what others think about this.

At first I thought this was a strange topic, but when I thought more about it, I have to agree that it does seem odd that nothing specific would be written about anything Jesus says or does during the supposed future thousand years on the earth. I think this is a legitimate question for Premils to address. Why would nothing Jesus said and nothing He did during the supposed future thousand years on earth be recorded? That would be very strange.

I don't think anyone here believes that scripture is not complete and that more will be added to it at some point, so I would like to know how Premils would explain nothing specific about anything Jesus says or does during the thousand years would be written and recorded. If it was, it would be new scripture, but I'm sure no one would want to claim there will ever be any new scripture written.

 

[Davidpt]

For instance why couldn’t Christ add in an extra 7,000 years in between the millennium and Satan’s little season? Satan being loosed after the millennium would still be true just an extra 7,000 years added in between, kinda like 2,000 years in between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel.

Isn't that basically PostMil, though?


Here is something you probably didn't think of. Look at the mess caused by one view interpreting something in this manner, another view interpreting that same thing in another manner, so on and so on. The point being, assuming someone is right, not everyone can be right, though. Therefore, it will probably take a thousand years just to straighten out that mess. IOW, during the thousand years Christ reveals the correct meaning of these highly debatable Scriptures. Which means He doesn't say anything new, so to speak. He just brings to light the true meanings of these Scriptures in question in the OT and NT.

 

[grafted branch]

Isn't that basically PostMil, though?


Here is something you probably didn't think of. Look at the mess caused by one view interpreting something in this manner, another view interpreting that same thing in another manner, so on and so on. The point being, assuming someone is right, not everyone can be right, though. Therefore, it will probably take a thousand years just to straighten out that mess. IOW, during the thousand years Christ reveals the correct meaning of these highly debatable Scriptures. Which means He doesn't say anything new, so to speak. He just brings to light the true meanings of these Scriptures in question in the OT and NT.

Ok, fair enough. If Christ doesn’t add anything new then we should be able to come up the rod of iron rules based solely on what the scriptures say. Where in the Bible would you say those rules are? The Ten Commandments?

 

[jeffweeder]

The very words that Jesus has already spoken is what will finally judge them. Today is the day to repent so do not delay.
God is patient today, not wanting any to perish but all to respond to his Gospel before he returns.

2Pet 3
9 The Lord does not delay [as though He were unable to act] and is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is [extraordinarily] patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish with a [mighty and thunderous] roar, and the [material] elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and the works that are on it will be burned up.

11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be [in the meantime] in holy behavior [that is, in a pattern of daily life that sets you apart as a believer] and in godliness [displaying profound reverence toward our awesome God], 12 [while you earnestly] look for and await the coming of the day of God.


Jn 12
47 If anyone hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge and condemn the world [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world], but to save the world.

48 Whoever rejects Me and refuses to accept My teachings, has one who judges him; the very word that I spoke will judge and condemn him on the last day.

 

[grafted branch]

The very words that Jesus has already spoken is what will finally judge them. Today is the day to repent so do not delay.
God is patient today, not wanting any to perish but all to respond to his Gospel before he returns.

2Pet 3
9 The Lord does not delay [as though He were unable to act] and is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is [extraordinarily] patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish with a [mighty and thunderous] roar, and the [material] elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and the works that are on it will be burned up.

11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be [in the meantime] in holy behavior [that is, in a pattern of daily life that sets you apart as a believer] and in godliness [displaying profound reverence toward our awesome God], 12 [while you earnestly] look for and await the coming of the day of God.


Jn 12
47 If anyone hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge and condemn the world [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world], but to save the world.

48 Whoever rejects Me and refuses to accept My teachings, has one who judges him; the very word that I spoke will judge and condemn him on the last day.

Yes, I agree. Although I think many Premils will include verses such as Zechariah 14:18 as a rod of iron rule that we currently aren’t judged for but people in the Premil millennium will be judged for.

Zechariah 14:18 And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

 

[jeffweeder]

Although I think many Premils will include verses such as Zechariah 14:18 as a rod of iron rule that we currently aren’t judged for but people in the Premil millennium will be judged for.

That is unfortunate.
That would suggest God still overlooks ignorance.... but he doesn't.

Act 17
30 Therefore God overlooked and disregarded the former ages of ignorance; but now He commands all people everywhere to repent [that is, to change their old way of thinking, to regret their past sins, and to seek God’s purpose for their lives], 31 because He has set a day when He will judge the inhabited world in righteousness by a Man whom He has appointed and destined for that task, and He has provided credible proof to everyone by raising Him from the dead.”

 

[Marty fox]

The very words that Jesus has already spoken is what will finally judge them. Today is the day to repent so do not delay.
God is patient today, not wanting any to perish but all to respond to his Gospel before he returns.

2Pet 3
9 The Lord does not delay [as though He were unable to act] and is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is [extraordinarily] patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish with a [mighty and thunderous] roar, and the [material] elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and the works that are on it will be burned up.

11 Since all these things are to be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be [in the meantime] in holy behavior [that is, in a pattern of daily life that sets you apart as a believer] and in godliness [displaying profound reverence toward our awesome God], 12 [while you earnestly] look for and await the coming of the day of God.


Jn 12
47 If anyone hears My words and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge and condemn the world [that is, to initiate the final judgment of the world], but to save the world.

48 Whoever rejects Me and refuses to accept My teachings, has one who judges him; the very word that I spoke will judge and condemn him on the last day.

I love how you always just let the scriptures speak for themselves great post Jeff

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I’ve been thinking about this and does the Premil position also mean that the cannon of Scripture is not yet complete?

Interesting topic. Since Christ will have rid the planet His enemies ( unbelievers), locked up Satan and his demons, (disabling them from tempting man to sin), therefore everyone will be Christian and in harmony with God, whatever is good and true will be the only thing anyone talks about. Are there more good thi gs to kearn about reality? Absolutely. Everyone will be behaving and speaking purely, holiness will abound. The Bible will still be needed for the newborns. We will cherish it and be grateful, remembering where we came from. Babies will be born and so they will need to receive the truth, learn the Word, believe, practice, pray and worship God.
Christ's words will obviously be new and different since there will be no focus on sin and evil, and it's consequences. No emphasis on " believe in Me and you'll be saved". That will be history for all. When sin is out of the way, love and good is fully realized, reaching heights of achievement like never before, like a few prodegies do now. We'll all be prodigies. All our gifts and abilities will be fully realized. We will be physically, mentally and spiritually healthy. So teaching and focus will be only on good things. We will prosper like never before and be happy, content, but not concerned about personal gain, getting ahead, competing, winning. We will now peace like never before. Perfection in every field will be the norm when sin cannot cripple, supress and discourage.
Would there be a need to hear truth, new insights coming from Jesus? Sure, it will be reported purely - no fake news. There is so much more we can learn.
Many of us will have new resurrected bodies, but many will still have mortal bodies, and we see evidence of this by the fact that there will be procreation, newborns and death, but much longer lives. That is why after the 1000 years, there will be a 2nd resurrection.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Okay good so yes Jesus reigns because of who He is and not because satan is bound, but will their be peace and no sin because satan is bound?

Actually Jesus is Lord God Almighty who bind the devil and casts him in to hell along with all his demons

During the 1000 Reign of Christ yes there will be peace and a very very small amount of sin by a few because Jesus will have to reign with a hand of iron.

Later once God recreates the Heavens and the earth and He moves literal Heaven (where the Father resides now) to earth - there will be peace and ZERO sin after that for all eternity

Once this time arrives anyone even thinking about opposing the Lord will be cast in to hell as fast as lightning and they'll forever be banished from God's Kingdom.

So even if a man or an angel just thinks of doing sin, BAM they are gone so there will be no sin going forward

He couldn’t add in something that would still keep all the other words already spoken true?

Sure, all things are possible with God.

For instance why couldn’t Christ add in an extra 7,000 years in between the millennium and Satan’s little season?

No that won't happen like that because the Lord has already said after the 1000 years the devil will be loosed for a little season

God cannot lie so He does not go back add to or take away from His Word

Where in the Bible would you say those rules are? The Ten Commandments?

The Law of Christ as laid out in the New Testament which includes the 10 Commandments although Saturday sabbath has been upgraded to us abiding in Christ every day rather than just one Saturday

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Interesting topic. Since Christ will have rid the planet His enemies ( unbelievers), locked up Satan and his demons, (disabling them from tempting man to sin), therefore everyone will be Christian and in harmony with God, whatever is good and true will be the only thing anyone talks about. Are there more good thi gs to kearn about reality? Absolutely. Everyone will be behaving and speaking purely, holiness will abound. The Bible will still be needed for the newborns. We will cherish it and be grateful, remembering where we came from. Babies will be born and so they will need to receive the truth, learn the Word, believe, practice, pray and worship God.
Christ's words will obviously be new and different since there will be no focus on sin and evil, and it's consequences. No emphasis on " believe in Me and you'll be saved". That will be history for all. When sin is out of the way, love and good is fully realized, reaching heights of achievement like never before, like a few prodegies do now. We'll all be prodigies. All our gifts and abilities will be fully realized. We will be physically, mentally and spiritually healthy. So teaching and focus will be only on good things. We will prosper like never before and be happy, content, but not concerned about personal gain, getting ahead, competing, winning. We will now peace like never before. Perfection in every field will be the norm when sin cannot cripple, supress and discourage.
Would there be a need to hear truth, new insights coming from Jesus? Sure, it will be reported purely - no fake news. There is so much more we can learn.
Many of us will have new resurrected bodies, but many will still have mortal bodies, and we see evidence of this by the fact that there will be procreation, newborns and death, but much longer lives. That is why after the 1000 years, there will be a 2nd resurrection.

So, wouldn't the new words Jesus would speak be recorded as new scripture for people to read during the supposed future thousand years? The point of this thread is to ask Premils if there would be any new scripture that would be written as a result of the supposed future thousand years. Do you think that would be the case or not? If not, then where are all of these things you're talking about as supposedly happening during the supposed future thousand years written about in scripture? Such as the idea that there would be "no emphasis on "believe in Me and you'll be saved""? Where is that written about anywhere in scripture? Do you not think people would get saved during the supposed future thousand years?