Science is bringing us closer than ever to proving God is real

[Matthias]

“DailyMail.com has heard from scientists in other fields whose life-long pursuit of empirical truth in the lab has lead them ‘to believe in God as the author of creation.’ …”

Science was meant to disprove religion- it's making God more likely

DailyMail.com has heard from scientists in other fields whose life-long pursuit of empirical truth in the lab has led them to 'believe in God as the author of creation.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Jericho]

“For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries” —Robert Jastrow

 

[Bob]

Thank you for your post.

The more interesting question is: will God ever prove to all Christians they need not distrust the science under pinning paleontology, archeology, anthropology, . . . !

 

[Windmill Charge]

science, any system of knowledge that is concerned with the physical world and its phenomena and that entails unbiased observations and systematic experimentation. In general, a science involves a pursuit of knowledge covering general truths or the operations of fundamental laws.

Science | Definition, Disciplines, & Facts

Science, any system of knowledge that is concerned with the physical world and its phenomena and that entails unbiased observations and systematic experimentation. In general, a science involves a pursuit of knowledge covering general truths or the operations of fundamental laws.

www.britannica.com

Note unbiased observation, experimentation and not mentioned but important recording/reporting.

The science we know and love only works because of the Christian world view that it is based upon.

That the world is consistent, reasonable and that we can investigate it.

 

[Matthias]

 

[Bob]

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Thank you for your post. Certainly the computer simulations of climate change, at least those with political goals, are at least bad science, but maybe not science at all.

Would cite another example, one that is specially concerned with “atheist-interpreted science”?

 

[Matthias]

 

[quietthinker]

Science is bringing us closer than ever to proving God is real​

I guess the reality of Jesus including his resurrection is a matter of little importance to Science. They assume insight in their own thinking which out weighs the resurrection account.

 

[Matthias]

Science is bringing us closer than ever to proving God is real​

I guess the reality of Jesus including his resurrection is a matter of little importance to Science. They assume insight in their own thinking which out weighs the resurrection account.

Everything rides on bodily resurrection.

 

[Matthias]

“Science describes how the world works, but it can’t tell us why it matters. The deepest questions - Who am I? Why am I here? - belong to theology.” - Michael Horton

 

[OreCove]

Science helps us to understand - we are slaves of instinctive nature. But it can't liberate. Only God can. I tried be reasonable just based on logic - impossible. You may see it, but can't act accordingly. The Holy Spirit is the Reason and belong to God. When Instinct induce feeling and desire it doesn't understand what the purpose of this feelings. So how humanity call themselves homo sapiens if they follow unreasonable instincts? Take for example sexual desire. God designed it to navigate unreasonable animals. They mate and reproduce. What humans do with it? They still think the point is to satisfy the desire. If you are Reasonable you understand it is not! It is for reproduction! But humanity worship god of lust. Why? Instincts replaced our true guidance - Reason (the Holy Spirit).

 

[Matthias]

“The man of science is a poor philosopher.”

(Albert Einstein, Out of My Later Years, p. 58)

Antony Flew quotes Einstein and then has this to say:

”Happily, this is not always the case. The leaders of science over the last hundred years, along with some of today’s most influential scientists, have built a philosophically compelling vision of a rational universe that sprang from a divine Mind. As it happens, this is the particular view of the world that I now find to be the soundest philosophical explanation of a multitude of phenomena encountered by scientists and laypeople alike.”

(There Is A God: How the world’s most notorious atheist changed his mind, p. 91)

 

[Ronald Nolette]

True science can only lead one to believe there must be an all powerful God who is the beginning of all things.

The enormous conundrum of science is that there must be an eternal god or eternal space, time, and matter.

 

[ScottA]

The more interesting question is: will God ever prove to all Christians they need not distrust the science under pinning paleontology, archeology, anthropology, . . . !

I would tend to agree--I love science--but that is not what the world is, or what we should be looking at.

God and science looking under the same hood would undoubtedly come back with similar explanations regarding the mechanics of the world and universe. But unlike science, that is not where God goes when explaining life. In fact, He makes a clear distinction as to the difference of just what is good and perfect, compared with fallen and passing away.

What then, should we rather be looking at?

First, there is nothing wrong with getting to know our surroundings, just not getting too comfortable with them...as if they should even be considered foundational. And they are not--God is foundational. At which point, anyone with a complete interest in understanding anything, would rightly not put science in first place as the rule by which all things are to be measured. But that is not the common way of science. To the contrary, any serious student of discovery, should alternatively train their focus on the Creator for answers, rather than created things.

Not all science is off the tracks of proper priority, just most of it. Unfortunately.

 

[Matthias]

“‘All truth comes from science‘ is a truth claim about science that comes from philosophy. And if a claim has to be scientific for it to be true that statement isn’t true then. So, science is built on philosophy. And any building can only be as sure as its foundation.” - Frank Turek

https://x.com/drfrankturek/status/1938364050544505281?s=61

 

[Strider324]

What an odd topic for Christians to be excited about. In my 55 years of engaging them, they have consistently made a few claims quite clear:

- God can never be proven by science.
- Faith is the only thing needed to believe things that are unproven.
- (corollary) If god were proven, faith would become unnecessary, thus diminishing the role of the church, as there would be no need to hear sermons about things that are now facts, instead of just faith-based claims that require constant reinforcement (and tithing).

I'm not sure the (very profitable) institutions of Christianity really want their god proven....

 

[David in NJ]

“DailyMail.com has heard from scientists in other fields whose life-long pursuit of empirical truth in the lab has lead them ‘to believe in God as the author of creation.’ …”

Science was meant to disprove religion- it's making God more likely

DailyMail.com has heard from scientists in other fields whose life-long pursuit of empirical truth in the lab has led them to 'believe in God as the author of creation.'

www.dailymail.co.uk

This should NOT be a surprise to any of us who know and love the TRUTH

But it is a GREAT REJOICING when blind men are given SIGHT = Romans 1:18-20

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,

 

[Matthias]

What an odd topic for Christians to be excited about. In my 55 years of engaging them, they have consistently made a few claims quite clear:

- God can never be proven by science.
- Faith is the only thing needed to believe things that are unproven.
- (corollary) If god were proven, faith would become unnecessary, thus diminishing the role of the church, as there would be no need to hear sermons about things that are now facts, instead of just faith-based claims that require constant reinforcement (and tithing).

I'm not sure the (very profitable) institutions of Christianity really want their god proven....

I’m currently reading There Is A God: How the world’s most notorious atheist changed his mind, written by Antony Flew, with Roy Abraham Varghese. Have you read it?

I’m excited by his story. I would recommend it to you if you haven’t read it.

 

[Strider324]

I’m currently reading There Is A God: How the world’s most notorious atheist changed his mind, written by Antony Flew, with Roy Abraham Varghese. Have you read it?

I’m excited by his story. I would recommend it to you if you haven’t read it.

Yes. And 'notorious' is a bit of hyperbole - and it might be helpful to review the meaning of 'anecdotal'.

 

[Matthias]

Yes. And 'notorious' is a bit of hyperbole - and it might be helpful to review the meaning of 'anecdotal'.

If the testimony of a former atheist doesn’t move you, then what chance have I? None, I suggest.

He came to see that theism is the most reasonable explanation for the existence of all things. You haven’t.

He championed your philosophy for half a century, then abandoned it. The reason he did is what I’m interested in learning about.