Will Christ utter new words in a Premil millennium?

[Ronald Nolette]

Well, either Jesus will or won’t say and do things in a Premil millennium. That means there are only two initial assumptions.

If we assume Jesus will say and do things that are new then by all our current standards that would mean He added to the Canon.

If we assume Jesus will just sit on His throne and not say or do anything at all, then the Canon would not be added to.

It seems very odd that any Premil would even want to admit Jesus is just going to be like a dead person, not saying or doing anything in the millennium, yet that’s how it would have to be for the Canon to remain as it is today. It seems either assumption is troublesome but saying we shouldn’t make assumptions is just a way of trying to get around the problem.

See your problem is found in your words -" by our current standards". that is making another assumption. Jesus said many many6 many things that did not get Canonized.

and once again you are forcing Jesus into two of your assumptios-aka putting Jesus in boxes of your making! Why don't you wait until the millenium to find out exactly what jesus says and do and how the inhabitants of the millennial earth respond and record? That is the biblically smart thing to do and requires making 0 assumptions.

 

[grafted branch]

See your problem is found in your words -" by our current standards". that is making another assumption. Jesus said many many6 many things that did not get Canonized.

and once again you are forcing Jesus into two of your assumptios-aka putting Jesus in boxes of your making! Why don't you wait until the millenium to find out exactly what jesus says and do and how the inhabitants of the millennial earth respond and record? That is the biblically smart thing to do and requires making 0 assumptions.

If we make no assumptions whatsoever then full Preterist is just a likely as Amil or Premil and vice versa. If we can’t make assumptions on whether something is literal or spiritual then both are just as likely.

Aren’t you making assumptions by saying wait for the millennium to find out what Jesus does? For all we know we could be in the millennium right now or we could be in the New Heaven New Earth, we can’t just assume the millennium is future.

 

[Davidpt]

For all we know we could be in the millennium right now

Assuming we are in the millennium right now, what could be some things that would undeniably prove it?

Per Premil, assuming that view is the correct view, it will be obvious when we are in the millennium and know that we are. Per this view the millennium can't even begin until Christ bodily returns first.

 

[grafted branch]

Assuming we are in the millennium right now, what could be some things that would undeniably prove it?

Per Premil, assuming that view is the correct view, it will be obvious when we are in the millennium and know that we are. Per this view the millennium can't even begin until Christ bodily returns first.

You are making an assumption that it will be obvious when someone is in the Premil millennium. We can deceive ourselves so it’s an assumption to say it will be obvious to everyone.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are making an assumption that it will be obvious when someone is in the Premil millennium. We can deceive ourselves so it’s an assumption to say it will be obvious to everyone.

Premils believe that Jesus will be on the earth in all His glory during the thousand years, so it would be pretty hard to miss that.

 

[grafted branch]

Premils believe that Jesus will be on the earth in all His glory during the thousand years, so it would be pretty hard to miss that.

I agree but there are currently people who still believe the earth is flat and they give explanations as to why they are correct. Just do a search for flat earth and you’ll see what I’m talking about. It’s entirely possible that during a Premil millennium there could be self deceived people coming up with just as clever explanations as to why Christ isn’t on earth as those explanations for a flat earth.

 

[Davidpt]

You are making an assumption that it will be obvious when someone is in the Premil millennium. We can deceive ourselves so it’s an assumption to say it will be obvious to everyone.

Get real at least. Nobody can mistake the 2nd coming once it happens. No one can have lived through the 2nd coming then be deceived about it after the millennium. As if it is possible to question whether the 2nd coming ever happened after it happened. Per Premil it will be obvious when we are in the millennium. I'm not asking about Premil though, I'm asking about the here and now, assuming it's possible we could be in the millennium as we speak. Ok, what in the real world, meaning pertaining to people globally and reality, could undenibaly prove that we are in the millennium? IOW, I'm looking for evidence that proves we are in the millennium now. Asuming we are in the millennium now, what proves it, what signs are there in the real world that the here and now fits the millennium to a T?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I agree but there are currently people who still believe the earth is flat and they give explanations as to why they are correct. Just do a search for flat earth and you’ll see what I’m talking about. It’s entirely possible that during a Premil millennium there could be self deceived people coming up with just as clever explanations as to why Christ isn’t on earth as those explanations for a flat earth.

I suppose, but what's the point of even talking about such farfetched ideas that few people believe in? Just a waste of time.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Get real at least. Nobody can mistake the 2nd coming once it happens. No one can have lived through the 2nd coming then be deceived about it after the millennium. As if it is possible to question whether the 2nd coming ever happened after it happened. Per Premil it will be obvious when we are in the millennium. I'm not asking about Premil though, I'm asking about the here and now, assuming it's possible we could be in the millennium as we speak. Ok, what in the real world, meaning pertaining to people globally and reality, could undenibaly prove that we are in the millennium? IOW, I'm looking for evidence that proves we are in the millennium now. Asuming we are in the millennium now, what proves it, what signs are there in the real world that the here and now fits the millennium to a T?

I think, as a preterist, his understanding of the thousand years is that it was over by 70 AD, so he's probably not a good person to ask that question.

 

[grafted branch]

Get real at least. Nobody can mistake the 2nd coming once it happens. No one can have lived through the 2nd coming then be deceived about it after the millennium. As if it is possible to question whether the 2nd coming ever happened after it happened. Per Premil it will be obvious when we are in the millennium. I'm not asking about Premil though, I'm asking about the here and now, assuming it's possible we could be in the millennium as we speak. Ok, what in the real world, meaning pertaining to people globally and reality, could undenibaly prove that we are in the millennium? IOW, I'm looking for evidence that proves we are in the millennium now. Asuming we are in the millennium now, what proves it, what signs are there in the real world that the here and now fits the millennium to a T?

Well, @Ronald Nolette is arguing that no assumptions should be made about Jesus in a future millennium. And I was initially responding to that statement. So it follows that no assumptions should be made for the Amil millennium or Preterist millennium either.

As for what proof is there that we are currently in an Amil millennium, I don’t know. I personally think the millennium was the time period between the cross and 70AD and Revelation was written specifically to the Jews of that time.

 

[grafted branch]

I suppose, but what's the point of even talking about such farfetched ideas that few people believe in? Just a waste of time.

I would say it shows the Premil millennium only works with no deception whatsoever. I agree it’s probably futile to get them to admit that but perhaps there are some people reading these posts that might cause them to question the things they’ve been told.

 

[Davidpt]

I would say it shows the Premil millennium only works with no deception whatsoever. I agree it’s probably futile to get them to admit that but perhaps there are some people reading these posts that might cause them to question the things they’ve been told.

What Premil doesn't admit that? What Premil thinks that deception is occurring throughout the millennium? But let's don't conflate the millennium with satan's little season that follows. IOW, to be deceived during satan's little season does not also mean to be deceived during the millennium. Unless one is an Amil, it indeed means that in that case. The reason I know that for a fact, is simple. Allegedly we are in the millennium according to Amil. Obviously, ppl are still being deceived and have continued to be deceived for the past 2000 years. Granted, not everyone has continued to be deceived, but what about the ones that still are deceived? Doesn't the latter then equal deception is rampant throughout Ami's proposed millennium?

Plus, let's not forget, the ones that are no longer deceived are initially deceived prior to being no longer deceived. After all, in the real world one is initially in an unsaved state first, thus are being deceived. Which still equals deception is rampant throughout Amil's proposed millennium. Per Premil no one is being deceived during the millennium, as in zero. No one is being deceived again until after the millennium. Premil does not conflate the millennium with satan's little season. Amil does, technically speaking, the fact ppl are deceived both during and after the millennium.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What Premil doesn't admit that? What Premil thinks that deception is occurring throughout the millennium? But let's don't conflate the millennium with satan's little season that follows. IOW, to be deceived during satan's little season does not also mean to be deceived during the millennium. Unless one is an Amil, it indeed means that in that case. The reason I know that for a fact, is simple. Allegedly we are in the millennium according to Amil. Obviously, ppl are still being deceived and have continued to be deceived for the past 2000 years. Granted, not everyone has continued to be deceived, but what about the ones that still are deceived? Doesn't the latter then equal deception is rampant throughout Ami's proposed millennium?

Plus, let's not forget, the ones that are no longer deceived are initially deceived prior to being no longer deceived. After all, in the real world one is initially in an unsaved state first, thus are being deceived. Which still equals deception is rampant throughout Amil's proposed millennium. Per Premil no one is being deceived during the millennium, as in zero. No one is being deceived again until after the millennium. Premil does not conflate the millennium with satan's little season. Amil does, technically speaking, the fact ppl are deceived both during and after the millennium.

All you do anymore is lie. You misrepresent Amil constantly. Amil does NOT conflate the millennium with Satan's little season, you liar. We have explained many times the difference between our understanding of the thousand years in contrast with Satan's little season and, despite that, you continue to make false accusations like this against Amil.

 

[grafted branch]

What Premil doesn't admit that? What Premil thinks that deception is occurring throughout the millennium?

If the Premil millennium contains absolutely no deception whatsoever, then it doesn’t contain free will either.
If I were in the millennium and I wanted to deceive another person I wouldn’t be able to, because there would be no deception in the millennium, that means I would have limited free will at best.

Currently someone who believes in election might say no one has the free will to choose Christ because we are dead in our sins. In the Premil millennium someone might say no one has the free will to deceive because we are all alive in Christ.

You would have to admit there is deception of some kind in the millennium in order for people to retain free will in the millennium.