Ai's analysis on "the great and dreadful day of the LORD" - your thoughts?

[MatthewG]

In the book of Malachi, the "great and dreadful day of the Lord" refers to the Second Coming of Christ, a time of both judgment and redemption. Malachi 4:5 specifically prophesies that the prophet Elijah will return before this day to prepare the way. This day is "great" for the righteous, who will be blessed, and "dreadful" for the wicked, who will face destruction.

Key aspects of this concept:

• Prophecy of Elijah's Return:
  Malachi 4:5 states, "Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord." This signifies a future return of Elijah, distinct from his appearance in the Old Testament, to play a role in the events leading up to the Second Coming.
  
  
• John the Baptist's Role:
  John the Baptist is seen as fulfilling a portion of this prophecy in the New Testament, preparing the way for Jesus' first coming. However, the prophecy of Elijah's return before the "great and dreadful day" looks forward to a future fulfillment.
  
  
• Dual Nature of the Day:
  The day is described as "great" for those who are righteous, those who have a relationship with God and follow His commandments. Conversely, it is "dreadful" for the wicked, who will face God's judgment and wrath.
  
  
• Eschatological Significance:
  The "great and dreadful day" is a central concept in biblical eschatology, the study of end times. It highlights God's ultimate intervention in human history, bringing about both judgment and restoration.
  
  
• Call to Repentance:
  The prophecy of Elijah's return and the mention of the "great and dreadful day" serve as a call to repentance and a reminder of the consequences of disobedience.
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• Progressional telling of the Day of the LORD

 

[MatthewG]

There are many people that don't even know this even exist. That is some food for thought.

 

[MatthewG]

No traction on this one yet. No thoughts on it?

One thing to consider is, that this book of Malachi, was given as a WARNING, to the nation of Israel the 12 tribes, regardless if they had already split.

 

[MatthewG]

See, this all encompasses the Bride of that day in age, which Jesus had set for the Apostles to gather them for them to be pure, blameless, and spotless.

You'll never get that in todays time. We just happen to be part of the inheritance of Yeshua, because of faith in him, but we are not that bride that he was coming to get that was under such dire circumstances.

 

[MatthewG]

Here in Matthew 22, it’s found the Great Feast.

This parable is about how there would be armies sent to destroy those whom ended up killing the Lord Jesus. It also speaks of those whom tried to sneak in without the proper attire (not being robed in faith in Christ) and they were thrown out, finishing it with saying “for many are called, but few are chosen.” I believe this is a foretelling of those whom would be chosen for their faith in Christ ie: the bride of Christ in that day (Revelation?)

Also anyone whom is willingly to post on any of these for going threads may do so, any insights are welcome in disagreements or not. I may or may not respond however please feel free to chime in your thoughts if you wish. This is after all a Bible study and I’m simply sharing some of what I believe is going on here as the progress of warnings come more and more as this Gospel continues I don’t know everything just sharing my gleanings in what is being shared and stated.

 

[MatthewG]

It's kind of hard to separate Revelation and Malachi, and Elijah. (Or any of the Old testament - and Apostolic Record they all corelate to one another to some degree)

All of these events, which Yeshua spoke about concerning Matthew 24, where all going to happen within a Generation.

Though many people have an opinion of what a generation is, it's founded that in the bible 40 years was how long Yahweh waited for an entire generation to die out.

So between 30 Ad - 70 Ad - with the fall of Jerusalem - which was burned up like an oven, all come about within this frame work of time.

It's kind of hard for me to believe that the great and dreadful day of the LORD will be coming for us today.

 

[MatthewG]

While Material fall out consumed the nation up, like an oven. I believe that those whom were faithful were the ones to have seen Jesus come through the clouds in like manner, and rescued by Jesus as promised, faithfully.

Evidence? I don't need any... I have to place faith on these notions. Why? Because it is the only thing that holds water, compared to what the mass of people believe today out there in the world, with all kinds of ideas, like the end of the world today, antichrist rising up, new ONE EYE GOVERNING GOVERMENT watching ya or whatever.... ya know?



This is why I place my faith in the fulfilment of the Lord Yeshua, because without his return to those promised people in that day, having happening, then the bible itself is a lie.

 

[MatthewG]

I remember reading those books,

what was it... let me think a little bit longer...

LEFT BEHIND SERIES. That has nothing to do with the bible. That is a work of "religious - sci-fi."

 

[MatthewG]

Still no comments from anyone. That is alright. :) With the completed work of Christ, I guess it really brings in no questions or thoughts because it's all been completed.


Please feel free to comment, an a question "Did you even know this existed?"

 

[MatthewG]

• Historical Context:
  Preterists believe that the "Abomination of Desolation" prophecy, first mentioned in the Book of Daniel, found its primary fulfillment in the events of 70 AD when the Roman army, under the command of Titus, destroyed the Second Temple in Jerusalem.
• Roman Desecration:
  The Roman legions, upon entering the Temple, set up their standards (which were objects of worship for the pagan soldiers) in the holy precincts and offered sacrifices to their idols, fulfilling the prophecy of a desecration of the Temple.
• Jesus's Prophecy:
  Jesus's warnings about fleeing Jerusalem when the "Abomination of Desolation" was seen "standing in the holy place" (Matthew 24:15) are interpreted by preterists as a reference to the Roman standards being placed in the Temple, signaling the impending destruction.
• Not a Future Event:
  Preterists generally do not believe the "Abomination of Desolation" is a future event related to the Antichrist or a rebuilt temple, as some other interpretations suggest.

 

[MatthewG]

What did John say to the audience of that day?

John the Baptist is the one who warned people about the "wrath to come". He is famously quoted in the Bible as saying, "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come?". This wrath refers to God's judgment and punishment for sin. John's message emphasized the need for repentance and turning away from sin to avoid this coming wrath.


Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many Pharisees and Sadducees coming to watch him baptize, he denounced them. “You brood of snakes!” he exclaimed. “Who warned you to flee the coming wrath?


What was the wrath coming? Judgement upon Israel which would be for rejecting the Messiah.

 

[Douggg]

The real Elijah may be one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11. But there is a situation of there also being a false Elijah.

The Jews (Judaism) have a tradition to set a table plate at their passover meal for Elijah as a reminder of their expectation that Elijah will come and be a part of the start up of the messianic age.

Who that person could actually be to fulfill their expectation (in a deceptive way) is the false prophet of Revelation 13. The false prophet in Revelation 13 does miracles, one of which is calling fire down from heaven - like Elijah did in his confrontation with the prophets of Baal.

So the false prophet, initially thought of by the Jews as the Elijah come again, will anoint the prince that shall come of Daniel 9:26 as the king of Israel, thought-to-be messiah. As that prince that shall come becomes the Antichrist.

The Jews (Judaism) believe that the messiah must be anointed the king of Israel by a known prophet. Which that will be the false prophet perceived to be Elijah.

The belief of the Jews (Judaism) that the messiah must be anointed the king of Israel by a known prophet stems from Saul and David anointed the king of Israel by the prophet Samuel, and Solomon anointed the king of Israel by the prophet Nathan.

Upon being anointed the king of Israel thought-to-be messiah, a false messianic age will begin with the Antichrist as being the thought-to-be messiah.

Which will cause the world to say and think "peace and safety" of 1Thessalonians5:3. Before sudden destruction will begin to take place around 3 years into the false messianic age. As the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

Beginning the awesome Day of the Lord that the prophecy in Malachi 4:5 foretells.

 

[Douggg]

I have over 20 years of experience participating at a Jewish countermissionary site learning what the Jews (Judaism) believe and expect. That experience of knowledge gained has helped me tremendously to know what is going to happen. How their expectations and beliefs will lead the Jews to mistakenly embrace the prince that shall come, thinking he is their long awaited messiah.

 

[MatthewG]

Imagine if you were a person who lived in Thessalonica.

This coming wrath wouldn't be 2,000 YEARS later.

This would be in conjunction with the coming great and dreadful day of the Lord.

 

[MatthewG]

Imagine if you were a person who lived in Thessalonica.

This coming wrath wouldn't be 2,000 YEARS later.

This would be in conjunction with the coming great and dreadful day of the Lord.

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This coming wrath, would also conjoin with what is stated in Matthew 24.

Which Jesus states would be within that Generation and it would never be so great again as people continue to preach DOUBLE PROPHECY.

Jesus is came back but ... he is coming back again, but how, can that be?

It would be an event that would not be so great again.

And here is just a zoomed out verse of Matthew 24, there is a lot in it.

 

[MatthewG]

I think the biggest thing about people not accepting Jesus having already returned, is because it effects the way they view how things are suppose to be, when Yahavah sent his Son, to do everything in order to restore us all back to the way it was in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve.

Making our choices as we go about this life.

Accepting Jesus Christ already return, ruins and shakes a persons faith all together because they have an expectation.

There was an expectation within that day, for those people to see Jesus, coming to get them! Rescue them from the great and dreadful day of the LORD.





I don't care how you believe that is totally up to you, but when it comes to the narrative it's exteremly hard to get around, you can play around with it as much as you but you can't get around the truth....

That is what I like to have, truth... but I digress you have freedom to choose and hope for yourself how you are going to believe.

 

[MatthewG]

People whom prolong Jesus coming, are just people whom have a view which they believe is correct.

Never believe men. Not even me.






Read the bible for yourself. It is impossible to make Jesus Christ return today, for us today.


The narrative is to strict within itself to do so... people who suggest other wise, really just haven't sat down and read the bible by the Spirit.

They just cough up and go around and around about what people have suggested rather than the narrative itself.

In my best estimation. Im not saying I have everything down perfectly, but those people were not lied to by Jesus, nor did the Apostles lie to the people of that day whom were waiting and watching for him to come.

People make them into liars, by doubting them. They suggest the Apostles was wrong, and even Jesus was wrong...

Jesus said he was coming shortly, not some 1000 years later.

To the people in that day.



Stop going off of what people say, and really read your bible and see what it says.... its about those people in that day. Im not suggesting that the bible is useless now for us, but the Spirit is definitely primary.

 

[MatthewG]

The real Elijah may be one of the two witnesses of Revelation 11. But there is a situation of there also being a false Elijah.

The Jews (Judaism) have a tradition to set a table plate at their passover meal for Elijah as a reminder of their expectation that Elijah will come and be a part of the start up of the messianic age.

Who that person could actually be to fulfill their expectation (in a deceptive way) is the false prophet of Revelation 13. The false prophet in Revelation 13 does miracles, one of which is calling fire down from heaven - like Elijah did in his confrontation with the prophets of Baal.

So the false prophet, initially thought of by the Jews as the Elijah come again, will anoint the prince that shall come of Daniel 9:26 as the king of Israel, thought-to-be messiah. As that prince that shall come becomes the Antichrist.

The Jews (Judaism) believe that the messiah must be anointed the king of Israel by a known prophet. Which that will be the false prophet perceived to be Elijah.

The belief of the Jews (Judaism) that the messiah must be anointed the king of Israel by a known prophet stems from Saul and David anointed the king of Israel by the prophet Samuel, and Solomon anointed the king of Israel by the prophet Nathan.

Upon being anointed the king of Israel thought-to-be messiah, a false messianic age will begin with the Antichrist as being the thought-to-be messiah.

Which will cause the world to say and think "peace and safety" of 1Thessalonians5:3. Before sudden destruction will begin to take place around 3 years into the false messianic age. As the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act described in 2Thessalonians2:4.

Beginning the awesome Day of the Lord that the prophecy in Malachi 4:5 foretells.

You going too far out there for me, sir. I don't trust or believe you whatsoever. However I believe you are someone whom is a brother in Christ, so therefore either way just as a human being, I don't mean this in a mean way.

 

[Douggg]

You going too far out there for me, sir. I don't trust or believe you whatsoever. However I believe you are someone whom is a brother in Christ, so therefore either way just as a human being, I don't mean this in a mean way.

okay, that's a friendly reply. I am a futurist. How would you describe your overall view - historist? partial preterist ?

 

[MatthewG]

okay, that a friendly reply. I am a futurist. How would you describe your overall view - historist? partial preterist ?

I don't think I really have to describe anything. I've been sharing scriptures which indicate that the Wrath of God was coming upon them in that day in age, and also in Matthew 24, concerning Jesus speaking of that generation.

I am someone whom is a faithful believer in what Jesus and the Apostles had said would happen and come about, and they were not liars.

If you don't believe they were to happen in those times, that is fine, but we will differ as I do not subscribe to the "futurist" view any longer, though I did a long time ago.