MY GOSPEL

[Big Boy Johnson]

Sell that ye have is to sell all........just another way to say it.......it doesnt say sell some of what ye have

So are you homeless now and go to the public library to post messages online?
You have no clothes and walk around nekkid after having literally sold EVERYTHING that you have???

It's being a hypocrite to not practice what you preach which is why nobody has any respect for anything you say anymore.

You should do better Dougie boy, and be homeless and own nothing!

 

[Doug]

So are you homeless now and go to the public library to post messages online?
You have no clothes and walk around nekkid after having literally sold EVERYTHING that you have???

It's being a hypocrite to not practice what you preach which is why nobody has any respect for anything you say anymore.

You should do better Dougie boy, and be homeless and own nothing!

Lets backtrack here
I said this...........I just dont think I am to obey it all........I learn from what Jesus taught and commanded but I dont think the commands given his disciples and Israel pertain to me to obey

then you said this.............The devil used to try and tell me that as well

then I replied this...................Have you sold all...................[Luk 18:22 KJV] 22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me..............I was showing that you cant say you can or shouldnt say all commands are for you to obey from the four gospels

Now how in the world can you say I am advocating selling all? I am saying the opposite
If you are saying you keep all the commands, then You cant manipulate scripture to avoid keeping the commandment to sell all by saying sell what you have isnt having to sell all

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You telling me I should do something you are not willing to do, especially considering you reject the Words of Jesus having become an idolator by following Paul which is all hypocritical, unhinged, and being carnal minded.

Those not following the Lord Jesus are on the highway to hell so they might want to learn the error of their ways, repent, and get right with the Lord.

At any rate, better luck on the next topic

 

[Doug]

You telling me I should do something you are not willing to do, especially considering you reject the Words of Jesus having become an idolator by following Paul which is all hypocritical, unhinged, and being carnal minded.

Those not following the Lord Jesus are on the highway to hell so they might want to learn the error of their ways, repent, and get right with the Lord.

At any rate, better luck on the next topic

I dont know what to say except I have never told you to sell all.....I give up
Just saying that if you reject Paul you are rejecting Christ

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I dont know what to say except I have never told you to sell all.....I give up
Just saying that if you reject Paul you are rejecting Christ

Paul was an Apostle meaning He was employed by Jesus as one of His helpers.

And as such the Lord continued His teaching ministry not only thru Paul, but also thru all the the New Testament writers.

None of them are any more important than the others and we are called to follow Jesus and not anybody else.

Many have made an idol out of Paul and actually follow Him as they reject Jesus which is why they ignore the teachings of Jesus

This is one of the ear marks of the false grace movement which is one of satan's more modern day deceptions.

So then you do admit that as a follower of Paul you agree with all the things the Lord said thru Paul in 1 Timothy 6:3 - 6:4 concerning those that reject the words of Jesus?

The Lord says thru Paul that those who reject the Word of Jesus are He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth

Is that you???

 

[Doug]

Paul was an Apostle meaning He was employed by Jesus as one of His helpers.

I dont know where you got this meaning
An apostle is a sent one to convey the message and purpose of God

 

[Doug]

Many have made an idol out of Paul and actually follow Him as they reject Jesus which is why they ignore the teachings of Jesus

You can follow Paul and not reject Jesus or his teachings
If you follow Paul you are following Christ..................[1Co 11:1 KJV] 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I dont know where you got this meaning
An apostle is a sent one to convey the message and purpose of God

Yeah, meaning he works for God.

Actual Christians follow the Lord Jesus - not His helpers, His Angels, or His momma..

Those following any of the Lord's helpers are guilty of idolatry since they are putting the helper before the Lord Jesus

This is what the false grace crowd does as they seek to make rejecting the Words of Jesus to be a good thing

They don't understand they have been tricked by the devil to become proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth as the Lord taught thru his helper Paul in 1 Timothy 6:3-6

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

If you follow Paul you are following Christ

Not when one is rejecting the Word of Jesus they aren't - 1 Timothy 6:3-6

[1Co 11:1 KJV] 1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also [am] of Christ.

I'm predestined to conform to the Image of Jesus Christ, not of Paul - Romans 8:29-33

My deal is far superior than your deal since you are merely following one of the Lord's helpers, while I on the other hand am highly blessed, empowered, and honored to have been predestined and called to follow Jesus and conform to be like Him!

 

[Truly]

I liked what you said.......nothing to do with it, I just got to thinking about this passage

I dont think Jesus was talking about saving unto eternal life. by selling goods.........eternal life came by believing on his name by believing he was Christ, the Son of God........Zacchaeus must have done this, maybe in verse 6 where he received him and verse 8 where he called him Lord

I think selling goods saved him to enter the kingdom on earth

The reference to eternal life is not in the picture of Zacchaeus the publican but found in the first rich man I referenced here in Luke 18:18 where he asks Jesus this

Luke 18:18 And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

And Jesus responded

Thou knowest the commandments

He responded

And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

And Jesus responded

Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

Between the two pictures (the one in Luke 18:18 in the above and the one in Luke 19:8) appear to contrast between them a worldly sorrow and godly sorrow

Look at it from the point of a publican (that believed John) who would enter the Kingdom of God before the Pharisees. For example, John said, I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance and 2 Cr 7:10) says, for godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation. Zacchaeus was the chief among the publicans, Jesus said to the pharisees Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God
before you. Saying, For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

Zacchaeus then, would be who of the same who believed John (who was looking for Jesus) "he that cometh after me is mightier than I (John said).

Zacchaeus, calls out to the Lord saying, "Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor

That seems to fall under John's teaching, for example, when the people asked what should they do,

John answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him impart to him that hath none;
and he that hath meat, let him do likewise. (Luke 3:11)

If you had 2 coats (and gave one away) and did the same with meat also that would be giving half

Luke 19:8 And Zacchaeus stood, and said unto the Lord;

Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor

And he continues

and if I have taken any thing from any man by false accusation, I restore him fourfold.

Restoring fourfold, or Four sheep for a sheep is found here

Exodus 22:1 If a man shall steal an ox, or a sheep, and kill it, or sell it; he shall restore five oxen for an ox,
and four sheep for a sheep.

Shown also in David

2Sam 12:6 And he shall restore the lamb fourfold, because he did this thing

And so in Zacchaeus (a publican, which were those who Jesus said believed John) but we can see an outworking of his teaching, and a godly sorrow working repentance to salvation 2 Cr 7:10

To whom Jesus (who come after John) would respond to Zacchaeus this way.

Luke 19:9 And Jesus said unto him, This day is salvation come to this house, forsomuch as he also is a son of Abraham.

Repentance is also unto life

 

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Romans 2:16​

Romans 16:25​

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'In the day when God shall judge
the secrets of men by Jesus Christ
according to my gospel.'
(Rom 2:16)

Hello @Doug,

This appears to be the first occurrence of the use of the words, 'my gospel' in print. As someone who was continually required to defend both the ministry that he was called upon to perform, and his own delivery of it, it is not surprising that he refers to it in this way. However, the form of sound words that he had to deliver were not of his own devising, as you say, for they were given to him from the risen Christ, who appeared unto him on more than one occasion. In his last letter written just prior to his death to Timothy, he said:-

Hold fast the form of sound words,
which thou hast heard of me,
in faith and love
which is in Christ Jesus.'
(2Tim.1:13)

* In the second verse that you refer to, Paul places his own gospel alongside that of the preaching of the Lord Jesus Christ, as being the basis upon which the Holy Spirit, Who has the power to stablish Paul's converts, would do so.

'Now to him that is of power to stablish you
according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began,
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets,
according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever.
Amen.'
Rom 16:25-27

* For Paul, as with all the New Testament apostles and prophets by the spirit, had received the revelation of God concerning 'The Mystery of Christ' in which they had their eyes enlightened to be able to see Christ revealed in the Old Testament Prophets in a way that had not been able to be done since the world began, it having been shrouded in mystery until it's unveiling. See Ephesians 3:4-5:-

'Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand
my knowledge in the mystery of Christ
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto His holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;'
(Eph 3:4-5)

The gospel Paul preached was revealed to him by Christ. Galatians 1:12

'But I certify you, brethren,
that the gospel which was preached of me
is not after man.
For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it,
but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.'
(Gal 1:11)

'And I (Paul) said, "Who art thou, Lord?"
And He said, "I am Jesus Whom thou persecutest.
But rise, and stand upon thy feet:
for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose,
to make thee a minister and a witness
both of these things which thou hast seen,
and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
Delivering thee from the people, (of Israel)
and from the Gentiles, unto whom now I send thee,
To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light,
and from the power of Satan unto God,
that they may receive forgiveness of sins,
and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me."
Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem,
and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles,
that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.'
Act 26:15-20

Praise God! For His living and abiding word of truth.

* I would like to address all of the points you have raised, @Doug, and will do if I can, but this is as far as I can go at present. There is so much left to see, and to glory in.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Paul's gospel revealed that salvation was to all who believed, apart from Israel and the covenants.​

Romans 3:22 Romans 3:24 Romans 3:30​

Hello again @Doug,

'But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,
being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ
unto all and upon all them that believe:
for there is no difference:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood,
to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,
through the forbearance of God;
To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness:
that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Where is boasting then? It is excluded.
By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.'
(Rom 3:21-27)

'Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Is He the God of the Jews only? is He not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.'
(Rom 3:28-31)

Praise God!

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Doug]

* In the second verse that you refer to, Paul places his own gospel alongside that of the preaching of the Lord Jesus Christ, as being the basis upon which the Holy Spirit, Who has the power to stablish Paul's converts, would do so.

'Now to him that is of power to stablish you
according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began,
But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets,
according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever.
Amen.'
Rom 16:25-27

Yes
Believers would be stablished (strengthened) by the preaching of Christ by two means
preached according to the mystery
preached according to the scriptures of the prophets

This verse is often used to say that the mystery was in the scriptures of the prophets it is not the mystery Paul says is in the prophets but rather it is Christ who is found throughout scripture

 

[Doug]

* For Paul, as with all the New Testament apostles and prophets by the spirit, had received the revelation of God concerning 'The Mystery of Christ' in which they had their eyes enlightened to be able to see Christ revealed in the Old Testament Prophets in a way that had not been able to be done since the world began, it having been shrouded in mystery until it's unveiling. See Ephesians 3:4-5:-

Yes

Paul fully manifested Christ from the law and the prophets

 

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Paul's gospel taught that through the cross Christ provided a complete salvation for us. 1 Corinthians 1:18

Hello Doug,

The gospel Paul was given to preach by the risen Christ, was not exhausted by the end of the 40yr Acts period, but following a further divine revelation, to Paul alone, continued during the period that Paul was imprisoned in Rome, during which he wrote the epistles to the saints and faithful believers in Christ who dwelt at Ephesus, Philippi, Colossi, and also to Timothy, Titus and Philemon, in which he made known the truth that God required him to make known, not to unbelievers, but to believers: Who now, following the finial rejection of Christ by the Jews of the diaspora, having already rejected Him within the land itself, and gone into the blindness of unbelief foretold in Isaiah 6:9-10; were in need of the comfort and healing that only God could give. Israel itself being no more, but scattered among the nations.

This God did through Paul, in a new creation, independent of Israel, in which Jew and Gentile believers in the Lord Jesus Christ would now be united and equal in a way not formally experienced, because of Israel's prior place. Salvation was now sent to the Gentile, having formally been of the Jew only (John 4:22). Now they were all, both Jew and Gentile, brought nigh unto God: no more, 'strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God.'(Eph 2:19). This was the mystery made known to Paul alone, and was not the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, the gospels, or the early epistles of Paul. Only in these epistles from prison is the truth concerning, 'The Church which is the Body of Christ'(Eph 1:22-23) made known. For it had formerly been 'hid in God' (Eph. 3:9 & Col. 1:26). The unsearchable riches of Christ.

'Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given,
that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery,
which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God,
who created all things by Jesus Christ:
To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places
might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:'
(Eph 3:8)

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

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Yes
Believers would be stablished (strengthened) by the preaching of Christ by two means
preached according to the mystery
preached according to the scriptures of the prophets

This verse is often used to say that the mystery was in the scriptures of the prophets it is not the mystery Paul says is in the prophets but rather it is Christ who is found throughout scripture

'Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
called to be an apostle,
separated unto the gospel of God,
(Which He had promised afore by His prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
And declared to be the Son of God with power,
according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
By Whom we have received grace and apostleship,
for obedience to the faith among all nations, for His name:'

Hello @Doug,

The mystery of Christ', as it says in the epistle to the Romans, was made known to all the New Testament Apostles and Prophets (Eph. 3:3). including Paul. The spirit of Christ, Which was in the Old Testament Prophets, signified concerning the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow. and the prophets themselves desired to look into it, but it needed the unveiling of the Spirit for that to be possible. (1 Pet. 1:11-12). God kept it within Himself until the time came for it's unveiling.

'Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently,
who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify,
when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
Unto whom it was revealed,
that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things,
which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you
with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven;
which things the angels desire to look into.'
(1Pet. 1:10-12)

'The Mystery', revealed to Paul alone, is 'unsearchable', (Eph. 3:9) because not the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, or of the gospels, or the early epistles of Paul, or any other scripture. Christ, was now 'in' or 'among' them, and was their hope of glory. the rest being the subject of Ephesians, Colossians, Philippians, 2 Timothy, Titus and Philemon.

'Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you,
and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh
for His body's sake, which is the church:
Whereof I am made a minister,
according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you,
to fulfil the word of God;
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations,
but now is made manifest to His saints:
To whom God would make known
what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles;
which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:'
(Col 1:24-27)

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Paul fully manifested Christ from the law and the prophets

That's not what Jesus said - He said the law and the prophets ceased with the start of John the Baptist's arrival which is when the Gospel of the Kingdom began to be taught

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

So John the Baptist, Jesus, and all of His Apostles taught the Gospel of the Kingdom

They did not teach the law and the prophets

 

[Doug]

Only in these epistles from prison is the truth concerning, 'The Church which is the Body of Christ'(Eph 1:22-23) made known.

I agree with all you say but, here I differ. I dont agree in saying Paul didnt reveal the body of Christ until he penned the prison letters.

[1Co 12:27 KJV] 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

1 Corinthians was written around Acts 20, before prison

 

[Doug]

'The Mystery', revealed to Paul alone, is 'unsearchable', (Eph. 3:9) because not the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, or of the gospels, or the early epistles of Paul, or any other scripture.

Paul speaks of the mystery in Romans written in Acts 20 before prison

 

[Doug]

That's not what Jesus said - He said the law and the prophets ceased with the start of John the Baptist's arrival which is when the Gospel of the Kingdom began to be taught

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

So John the Baptist, Jesus, and all of His Apostles taught the Gospel of the Kingdom

They did not teach the law and the prophets

The law and the prophets stopped prophesizing about the kingdom because Jesus was now offering it to Israel but the law and the prophets were still to be fulfilled by the death and resurrection of Christ.