Big Boy Johnson
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So you admit that you continue to be a sinner then right?
You think Heaven is full of people who refused to walk with the Lord and decided to continue in sin?
Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?
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So you admit that you continue to be a sinner then right?
You think Heaven is full of people who refused to walk with the Lord and decided to continue in sin?
Rockerduck
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The apostle Paul is talking to Christians here.
1 John 1:9 - f we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
How does Jesus cleanse us?
Revelation 1:5 ;
and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth.
To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
Big Boy Johnson
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Sounds like you are all set with reasoning that allows you to continue living in sin claiming you are washed from sin as you are actively living in sin.
Workers of iniquity are not in Christ
Rockerduck
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Big Boy Johnson
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All things are possible thru Christ (Philippians 4:13), so THRU JESUS we actually DO have the ability to stop sinning
1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not
1 John 2:4
He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 1:6
if we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
1 John 2:1
I write these things unto you, that ye sin not
Galatians 5:16
Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh
James 4:17
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil
John 8:34
Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
1 Corinthians 15:34
Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.
We should not be willingly or knowingly doing sinful things... it should be a very rare occasion for a Christian to sin and IF they did it would NOT be a situation where it's something they knew it was sinful and they decided to do it anyway.
1 John 1:8 is obviously speaking of if we claim we have never sinned... or if we make a mistake such as dropping something on the floor accidentally which is an imperfection that is not unto death (does not cause us to be separated from God like sin does)
The very next verse tells us if we confess our sins the Lord cleanses us of ALL unrighteousness... so is 1 John1:8 claiming 1 John1:9 is un-true???
Rockerduck
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That is truly a wonderful comment to make! But can you possibly see there are, unfortunately, more than a few folks who believed as you bit for many different reasons in their life had turned from God?
And I don’t believe you can wash that away by simply saying “they were never saved in the first place.”
They had made a choice earlier in their life to follow Jesus and something horrible may have happened in their latter years where the pain was just too great to take - and they turned on God believing He should have prevented it…
Choice goes both ways and choices can be made at anytime. God certainly knows what is going to happen to each and every one of us, but He will never make our choice! He will honor our decision either way.
Rockerduck
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No, I've never met one who was truly born again from above, walk away. I worked for the Billy Graham association, and I've met many coming back to church and rededicating their life. Like many of us that had Kids to raise and work demands kept us from church life. I spent many hours at work. I didn't have a home church but visited many. It was not until I slowed down and joined a church again, then I was a steady Eddie at church.
Did you get a chance to read the earlier post which included not only scripure but these two individuals mentioned below who turned on God? Did not Templeton work with Graham for years? You may have met him if you workd with Graham...
Charles Templeton (20th Century Evangelist)
Templeton was a powerful preacher and partner in ministry with Billy Graham. After years of preaching, he rejected Christianity and became agnostic. He wrote a book - Farewell to God: My Reasons for Rejecting the Christian Faith
Bart Ehrman (Scholar of the New Testament)
Ehrman once identified as an evangelical Christian and studied at Moody Bible Institute. He later abandoned his faith and became a prominent agnostic critic of the Bible. He wrote - Misquoting Jesus, Jesus, Interrupted, and others. Ehrman’s departure is based on perceived inconsistencies in the Bible and theological dilemmas, particularly the problem of suffering.
David in NJ
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David in NJ
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JESUS was Saying exactly what HE meant = TWO Commandments that all the Law & the prophets are Governed by.
Question: Since the 10 Commandments are eternal, how is one to obey the 4th - which is the 7th day???
The Sabbath is not a Jewish day of worship. It was established by God at the time of creation.... there certainly were no nations, borders, kingdoms, etc. It was given to "man." The 7th day was not eliminated by time, by Jesus, by anyone. However, the 7th day was indeed changed to Sunday by Constantine and later ratified by the papacy when they came to full power.
But that did not change the Sabbath, the decision to worship God on a different day. But only God could make a "day." Only God could make something "holy." And it was indeed God who, after all of HIs work during the 6 days, decided to create another day where all could come and worship with Him.
In my situation, I now honor the Sabbath from Friday evening to Satudary evening. This time is a set aside time where I spend with the Lord. And this does not mean that the entire world has to be turned upside down because all christians go to church on Sunday... this is a time, a specific day that God has created where we know exactly where He will be. Every single Sabbath from the beginning of time we know that God will be at on this day. This is where we can be with Him.
Certainly, God is everywhere but He is the One who has purposefully created another full day (wasn't necessary for Him to do this since all of His creation was accomplished), but He purposefully created a "holy day" to be with Him.... so it must be quite important to Him.... and it certainly should be honored by us.
David in NJ
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Jesus summarized them, to show us the proper way to follow them and to show us that the root of the ten commandment are Love. He did not replace them to something else, when you do so, you remove information from the commandments and will miss out, and change the intended meaning. I will have to post on this and explain further too many think this. if it was the case Jesus and the 12 would not have waited their time to mention the ten commandments at all.
Furthermore, the ten commandments are the covenant as spoken by God, they were never replaced by something else or condensed. I would lead you to error if I said otherwise.
here is an a post in preparation but it answers some questions you have ;
The Ten Commandments Were Not Abolished or Replaced
Many today believe that the Ten Commandments were replaced, condensed, or even abolished. But this idea stands in direct opposition to the words and example of Jesus Himself. When Jesus was asked which commandment was the greatest, He did not create a new law to replace the Ten Commandments. Instead, He summarized their purpose and foundation: love. He said, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind... and... you shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets” (Matthew 22:37–40, NKJV). He was quoting the Law already given by God—Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. He was not removing the commandments, but showing their heart: love for God and love for others.
To summarize is not to abolish. To give the root is not to cut off the fruit. When Jesus pointed to love as the foundation, He was teaching us how to keep the commandments from the inside out—with sincerity, not just in appearance. If we say the commandments were condensed and the original ten are no longer needed, we take away from the Word of God. We also lose the detailed instruction God gave about how love is expressed: not serving other gods, not worshiping images, not misusing His name, keeping His Sabbath, honoring our parents, not killing, not committing adultery, not stealing, not lying, and not coveting. These are not human rules—they are the voice of God in covenant with His people.
The Ten Commandments are the words of the covenant itself, written by the finger of God (Exodus 31:18, Deuteronomy 4:13). They were not Moses’ idea or part of a temporary system—they are eternal principles spoken directly by the LORD to all the people. They are the standard of righteousness, the foundation of justice, and the measure of holy living. Jesus did not ignore them. He elevated them. He said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17). And then He went further, teaching not just about outward obedience, but about the spirit of the commandments: that anger is like murder, and lust is like adultery (Matthew 5:21–30).
If the commandments were truly replaced or reduced to only two general ideas, then Jesus and His disciples would have stopped teaching them. But they didn’t. When the rich young ruler asked what he must do to enter life, Jesus answered clearly: “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17). And He named several from the Ten. In Revelation, when John spoke of the faithful people of God in the last days, he described them as “those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” (Revelation 14:12). Even at the end of the Bible, the Ten Commandments remain part of the identity of God’s true people.
The idea that the commandments were condensed is a human interpretation, not a teaching of Jesus. When we reduce what God gave, we often lose the meaning He intended. The commandments were never meant to be a burden. They are a guide to holy living, a reflection of God's own character. Jesus came not to erase them, but to help us keep them in the way God always intended—through love, by the Spirit, from the heart.
To say otherwise is to lead into error. If the commandments were removed or made optional, then sin would be undefined, for “sin is lawlessness” (1 John 3:4). And if there is no law, there is no sin, and if there is no sin, there is no need for grace. But this is not the message of the gospel. The commandments still stand—not as a means of salvation, but as the path of those who are saved. They are the words of the covenant. God never replaced them, and neither did His Son.
I will say I was not in error to say Jesus condensed, my word, the ten commandments into two.
Without using my word,condensed, Jesus said the same as I. Because I gained that understanding from his words.
How Are We to Obey the Fourth Commandment—The Seventh Day Sabbath—Today?
If the Ten Commandments are eternal, then none can be set aside—including the fourth, which says, “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy... the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God” (Exodus 20:8, 10, NKJV). Many have been taught that this commandment was changed or no longer applies. But the Word of God speaks clearly: the Sabbath is still the seventh day, and obedience to God includes keeping that day holy, just as He commanded.
The Sabbath was not first given at Mount Sinai—it was established at creation. “And on the seventh day God ended His work... and He rested... Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it” (Genesis 2:2–3). This blessing and sanctification were not for a specific nation or time, but for all humanity. God did not bless a cycle of one-in-seven or allow men to choose their own Sabbath. He sanctified the seventh day—a specific day on the weekly calendar. That day alone carries His blessing.
When the Ten Commandments were given, God told the people to remember the Sabbath. It was not new; it was being restored. The commandment is rooted in creation, not in any temporary system. The seventh-day Sabbath is God’s memorial of His work as Creator.
Jesus Himself obeyed the Sabbath, saying, “The Son of Man is Lord also of the Sabbath” (Luke 6:5). He taught on the Sabbath, healed on the Sabbath, and defended the true purpose of the Sabbath. He did not abolish it. He said plainly, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law... I did not come to destroy but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17). To fulfill means to bring to its full purpose, not to remove or replace it. When asked what was lawful on the Sabbath, Jesus said, “It is lawful to do good” (Matthew 12:12). He removed the traditions that made the Sabbath a burden—but He never removed the Sabbath itself.
The apostles and early followers of Jesus also kept the seventh-day Sabbath. After the crucifixion, the women who followed Him “rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment” (Luke 23:56). Paul and the other disciples continued to teach and worship on the Sabbath throughout the book of Acts (Acts 13:14, 42, 44; Acts 17:2; Acts 18:4). There is no record of the Sabbath being changed to Sunday by Jesus or His apostles. Sunday observance came later, through human tradition—not by the authority of Christ.
Some point to Paul’s writings to suggest the Sabbath no longer matters, or that it was replaced by a so-called “law of Christ.” But Paul had no authority to change God's law. Jesus declared, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth” (Matthew 28:18). Paul himself said, “Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ” (1 Corinthians 11:1). If Christ kept the Sabbath, and Paul followed Christ, then Paul could not have taught against it.
Obedience to the fourth commandment today means resting on the seventh day of the week, as God commanded. It is a sign of our loyalty to the Creator and our love for His Word. As it is written, “This is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome” (1 John 5:3). The Sabbath is not bondage—it is freedom, rest, and a blessing. It is a reminder that we are not self-made, but created, redeemed, and sanctified by God.
And the blessing that comes with it is great. In Isaiah 58:13–14, the LORD says:
The Sabbath is not only a command—it is a gift. It brings joy, rest, spiritual strength, and deeper fellowship with God. It connects us with His creation, His redemption, and His promise of restoration. Those who honor the Sabbath receive both present peace and a future hope.
In the final days, God’s faithful people are described as “those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” (Revelation 14:12). That includes the Sabbath. It was never abolished. It was never changed. It was never optional. It is still the day the LORD made holy, and it still stands as part of His eternal covenant with His people.
Blessings
The Sabbath was made for us.
The temperance of Sabbath in the ten commands was so to remind the Hebrews of this. Being in pagan captivity,they'd forgotten the old ways. Which is why the father reminded them.
Of course they are... would it be any different if they committed murder? Is this commandment any less than the others?
Jesus Wept
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Well Rocker, you can't say that any longer.
One of those backslidden believers is talking with you right now. Would you like to hear my testimony so you can misjudge me for yourself? I say that because, I'm afraid that no matter what I may tell you, it won't do anything at all to sway your opinion. But I'm willing to give it a try.
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