OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[BreadOfLife]

Actually walking in faith is a good work that we are ordained to walk in.

It's just not the so called faith works the RCC claims

Gee, I guess you weren't listening. We don't believe in faith AND works.
Works are a part of what faith is.

You can't have Faith without . . .
- Surrender
- Trust
- Belief
- Obedience (works)

...as they follow occult practices such as doing seances to talk to dark spirits having been deceived by the devil in to thinking they are talking to dead saints that have passed from this world.

Funny - I've been a Catholic my WHOLE life and I'ver never been to a "seance" . . .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I've been a Catholic my WHOLE life and I'ver never been to a "seance" . . .

And yet catholics are busy trying to talk to those who have passed from this life opening the door for demons spirits to enter in to them.

This is how catholics are possessed of the devil.

 

[Taken]

Actually - since faith includes the acts of surrender and obedience, it is cooperation with God's grace.
That's somethng we DO.

Examples of Type of Works a man can Do….

Hear is something men DO= a works.
Praise God is something men DO= a works.
Glorify God is something men DO= a works.
Help others is something men DO= a works.
Charity is something men DO=a works.
Preach is something men DO=a works

**Men who DO such works…
Are JUSTIFIED to Receive:
BLESSINGS and REWARDS From God.
*Blessings…while the man is alive in his flesh.
*Rewards…. When Jesus Returns.


Example of Works a man can DO…
* Believe …(Justified) to Receive… Faith from God…. Called a GIFT.
* Stop Believing… Stop Receiving Faith.
* Never return to Believing…called Fallen From Faith.

* Believe (Heartfully) AND CONFESS To Lord God, BELIEF…
-Receive SOUL Salvation from Christ Jesus.
Called a GIFT.
- Gift is irrevocable. (OSAS)
- Kept soul saved by Gods Power. (Christ)
* Vow Body unto Death, “Crucified” WITH Jesus’ Body…
- Receive Seed of God.(Only given after a bodily Death)
Called a GIFT.
- Gift irrevocable.
- Kept spirit born again by Gods Power.
**This man…lives IN Jesus’ Risen Body… Until his own Body is Risen (Rapture) Glorified.
This Man having Received;
Sav-Ed soul and Seed of God… IS spirit Born of Gods Seed… and:
Can Sin NO More. (Stand Against God).

* Belief (Heartfully)… with no “CONFESSION”..
- Called Tasting.
* This man “can”…
Stop believing; (SIN)
Doubt; (SIN)
Believe again;
Deny; (SIN)
Reject God; (SIN)


Man Hopes “by his own power” he continues Believing until the moment his Body Dies.
“IF” his Belief Continues…endures until his body dies…God WILL Save his soul then (and) Raise his body Glorified- (First Resurrection).


* Some Works a man DOES… gains the man BLESSINGS / REWARDS, from God.

* Specific Works a man DOES…gains the man permanent GIFTS ( irrevocable), from God.

A man CAN LOSE Receiving….
BLESSINGS, REWARDS, GIFTS…
By refusing to TAKE or Acknowledge the Lord Gods OFFERINGS of those Things, according to Gods Order and Way.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

As I explained to you before – “cherry-picking” is taking verses OUT of CONTEXT to make it seem that SEEM that they agree with your point.

No.

cherrypicking is to…
choose and take only (the most beneficial or profitable items, opportunities, etc.) from what is available.

Only a numbskull or gaslighter tries to Apply Scripture that Does Not Apply to the individual.

All Scripture is True…
Really You Apply what Applies to a Woman, or A JEW and Apply it to you…a male gentile??

No… you CHERRYPICK !

You gaslight and CHERRYPICK verses and falsely claim they apply To Others.

For Example…the following Applies to a man IN Christ.

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You falsely claim…—-> applies to that person.
1 John 1:
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Uh… claiming one SINS no More…
Is Not Claiming they HAVE no sin!!!

Any astute student of Scripture KNOWS …
Forgiven Sin… is still “sin IN” the man!
You should Know… Forgiven Sin is COVERED by Gods Light, unseen, forgotten…
Not vanished!
And not being claimed “they HAVE no sin”!!!

Yes… you gaslight. Yes you CHERRYPICK for yourself, and “try to CHERRYPICK FOR others”.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And yet catholics are busy trying to talk to those who have passed from this life opening the door for demons spirits to enter in to them.

This is how catholics are possessed of the devil.

WOW.
Time for a Bible Lesson, son . . .

First of all – God is NOT the God of the dead – but of the LIVING (Matt. 22:32).
The prohibition against contacting dead spirits in Deut. 18:10-11 was against conjuring them up for purposes of gleaning information from them.

The saints in Heaven are part of the Body of Christ.
- 1 Cor. 12:12-31 tell us that there is ONE Body and we ALL need each other.

- Rev. 5:8 – whose they not only hear us – they intercede for us by taking our petitions before God.

- 1 Cor. 12:26 Tells us that if If ONE part suffers, EVERY part suffers with it; if ONE part is honored, EVERY part rejoices with it.

- Heb. 12:1 assures us that. “… we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses (saints in Heaven)”.

- Rev. 6:1- shows us the saints in Heaven under the Altar crying out to God for justice.

So, instead of curing them and the rest of the Body of Christ – try having FAITH instead.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Time for a Bible Lesson, son . . .

Darling, I don't participate in the occult.

But, good news! - There are many naive among us that would love to hear about curious arts of darkness

 

[BreadOfLife]

Examples of Type of Works a man can Do….

Hear is something men DO= a works.
Praise God is something men DO= a works.
Glorify God is something men DO= a works.
Help others is something men DO= a works.
Charity is something men DO=a works.
Preach is something men DO=a works

**Men who DO such works…
Are JUSTIFIED to Receive:
BLESSINGS and REWARDS From God.
*Blessings…while the man is alive in his flesh.
*Rewards…. When Jesus Returns.

WRONG.

They are MILLIONS of people who do good works who are NOT justified and do NOT believe. I know plenty of these people..

Example of Works a man can DO…
* Believe …(Justified) to Receive… Faith from God…. Called a GIFT.
* Stop Believing… Stop Receiving Faith.
* Never return to Believing…called Fallen From Faith.

* Believe (Heartfully) AND CONFESS To Lord God, BELIEF…
-Receive SOUL Salvation from Christ Jesus.
Called a GIFT.
- Gift is irrevocable. (OSAS)
- Kept soul saved by Gods Power. (Christ)
* Vow Body unto Death, “Crucified” WITH Jesus’ Body…
- Receive Seed of God.(Only given after a bodily Death)
Called a GIFT.
- Gift irrevocable.
- Kept spirit born again by Gods Power.
**This man…lives IN Jesus’ Risen Body… Until his own Body is Risen (Rapture) Glorified.
This Man having Received;
Sav-Ed soul and Seed of God… IS spirit Born of Gods Seed… and:
Can Sin NO More. (Stand Against God).

* Belief (Heartfully)… with no “CONFESSION”..
- Called Tasting.
* This man “can”…
Stop believing; (SIN)
Doubt; (SIN)
Believe again;
Deny; (SIN)
Reject God; (SIN)


Man Hopes “by his own power” he continues Believing until the moment his Body Dies.
“IF” his Belief Continues…endures until his body dies…God WILL Save his soul then (and) Raise his body Glorified- (First Resurrection).


* Some Works a man DOES… gains the man BLESSINGS / REWARDS, from God.

* Specific Works a man DOES…gains the man permanent GIFTS ( irrevocable), from God.

A man CAN LOSE Receiving….
BLESSINGS, REWARDS, GIFTS…
By refusing to TAKE or Acknowledge the Lord Gods OFFERINGS of those Things, according to Gods Order and Way.

Glory to God,
Taken

WRONG
We will ALWAYS struggle with sin because we are made of corruptible flesh.

1 John 1-8
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Secondly -there is NO such thing as an “irrevocable” gift”.
ANY give that is given can be rejected or discarded. The bible is filled with warnings of people are justified – and are in danger of LOSING it by their OWN choice . . .

(Matt. 7:19-23, Matt. 10:22, Matt. 24:13, Matt. 25:31–46, John 15:1-6, Rom. 11:22, 1 Cor. 4:4, 1 Cor. 9:27, 1 Cor. 10:12, 1 Tim. 4:1, 1 Tim. 4:16, 2 Tim. 2:12, Heb. 3:6, Heb. 3:12-14, Heb. 6:4-6, Heb. 10:26-27, 2 Pet. 2:20-21, 2 Pet. 3:17, 1 John 2:24, 1 John 5:13, Rev. 3:5, Rev. 22:19)

 

[BreadOfLife]

Darling, I don't participate in the occult.

But, good news! - There are many naive among us that would love to hear about curious arts of darkness

Good for you.
Neither do faithful Catholics . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No.

cherrypicking is to…
choose and take only (the most beneficial or profitable items, opportunities, etc.) from what is available.

Only a numbskull or gaslighter tries to Apply Scripture that Does Not Apply to the individual.

All Scripture is True…
Really You Apply what Applies to a Woman, or A JEW and Apply it to you…a male gentile??

No… you CHERRYPICK !

You gaslight and CHERRYPICK verses and falsely claim they apply To Others.

For Example…the following Applies to a man IN Christ.

1 John 3:
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

You falsely claim…—-> applies to that person.
1 John 1:
[8] If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Uh… claiming one SINS no More…
Is Not Claiming they HAVE no sin!!!

Any astute student of Scripture KNOWS …
Forgiven Sin… is still “sin IN” the man!
You should Know… Forgiven Sin is COVERED by Gods Light, unseen, forgotten…
Not vanished!
And not being claimed “they HAVE no sin”!!!

Yes… you gaslight. Yes you CHERRYPICK for yourself, and “try to CHERRYPICK FOR others”.

Cherry-picking is posting individual passages WITHOUT any context – building doctrines around them.
YOU are a master of this.

I use individual passages to make my points – THEN I include cross-references verses to support my doctrinal positions. Whereas, YOU will ignore other verses that don’t support your views.

THAT, my ignorant friend is cherry-picking . . .

 

[Taken]

WOW.
Time for a Bible Lesson, son . . .

You are not qualified to teach non-Catholics.

First of all – God is NOT the God of the dead –

Not news.
And I never said otherwise.

The prohibition against contacting dead spirits in Deut. 18:10-11 was against conjuring them up for purposes of gleaning information from them.

The purpose of not Calling out to Spirits…
Is Because Conjuring Spirits is VIA “PRAYER”…
Prayer Is a sign/ method/ of WORSHIP and reserved For God Alone.
If a Gentile person IS NOT saved, Not born Again…that person requires a mediator / intercessor… and “THAT TASK,” solely belongs TO JESUS… no one else.



Rev 5:
[8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

The “prayers OF saints” are prayers of human men on Earth, who are IN Christ… and the prayers Are “odours”…. Not petitions of Living humans Asking bodily dead humans to petition God “for them”!

- Rev. 5:8 – whose they not only hear us – they intercede for us by taking our petitions before God.

False.

- Heb. 12:1 assures us that. “… we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses (saints in Heaven)”.

No.
Heb 12:
[1] Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

They IN Christ … can SEE other (living human witnesses) saints IN CHRIST around them and take comfort in their presence and Faith.

- Rev. 6:1

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- shows us the saints in Heaven under the Altar crying out to God for justice.

No.
Rev 6:1 are Departed Saved souls of JEWS, still on Earth, waiting for their other JEW Brethren, to Believe, Bodily Die, Be soul Saved… and all their saved departed souls to rise to heaven Together… and they Wonder HOW long their wait will be before God Avenges them.

You should actually try Reading Scripture … without your Catechism that tells you What to believe.

 

[Taken]

Cherry-picking is posting individual passages WITHOUT any context – building doctrines around them.
YOU are a master of this.

I use individual passages to make my points – THEN I include cross-references verses to support my doctrinal positions. Whereas, YOU will ignore other verses that don’t support your views.

THAT, my ignorant friend is cherry-picking . . .

So… by your self implied brilliance…ALL Scripture Applies to you…less you be a liar And yourself …CHERRYPICK…

Got it…thank you Ma’am.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Neither do faithful Catholics . . .

That's a great comedy bit right there!

 

[Taken]

WRONG.

They are MILLIONS of people who do good works who are NOT justified and do NOT believe. I know plenty of these people..

You are neither the Judge or Justifier.

Matt 16:
[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

WRONG
We will ALWAYS struggle with sin because we are made of corruptible flesh.

We? We… You have authority to speak for yourself, not authority to gaslight others.

I don’t speak FOR you, rather I speak For myself, whereas I gave my corrupt flesh unto Death, and put ON and Live IN Christs Jesus’ holy, perfect, uncorrupted body…
1 Cor 15: 53,54

You Still living IN your corrupt flesh…IS due to “YOUR” choice.

1 John 1-8

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

Your inability to comprehend the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN:
* claiming to HAVE no Sin….
and
* claiming to be naturally Born IN Sin, Forgiven, Gods INTERNAL Light Covering the Internal Sin, that such Sin is Neither able to be Seen or Remembered…
and
can from henceforth SIN no more…
IS Obvious you sorely Lack “the very basic tenet” of Gods Word, Teaching, Offering, Power, Works and Order and Way He Fulfills His Own Word.
Embarrassingly sad for you.

Secondly -there is NO such thing as an “irrevocable” gift”.

Patently False.

Rom 11:
[29] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

ANY

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give that is given can be rejected

LOL seriously?? You think Rejecting a Gift…equals Taking / Possessing the Gift?
Yipes… your comprehension ability is yet again a fail.

or discarded. The bible is filled with warnings of people are justified – and are in danger of LOSING it by their OWN choice

Really? The ALL knowing God… justified / saved the soul and quickened spirits of (numerous men)… and THEN…had to …(unsave the mans soul and UN quicken the mans spirit….
such a Clever man … Fooled the All knowing God?

Your preaching IS so far off kilter, you should STOP preaching Catechism and get Right with The Lord Gods Word.

 

[BreadOfLife]

That's a great comedy bit right there!

And that’s a great non-response . . .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

And that’s a great non-response . . .

Trying to help those that are reprobate is an exercise in futility

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are not qualified to teach non-Catholics.

Sure I am. Everybody needs to hear the truth.

The purpose of not Calling out to Spirits…
Is Because Conjuring Spirits is VIA “PRAYER”…
Prayer Is a sign/ method/ of WORSHIP and reserved For God Alone.
If a Gentile person IS NOT saved, Not born Again…that person requires a mediator / intercessor… and “THAT TASK,” solely belongs TO JESUS… no one else.

First of all, mu ignorant friend, to “Pray” simple means to “ASK”:

Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary:
Full Definition of pray
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea<pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying

“Worship” is a secondary definition, Einstein . . .

And, if YOU aren’t interceding for those who don’t know Christ – YOU gave failed as a follower of Christ. We are ALL called to be intercessors (James 5:16).

Rev 5:
[8] And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

The “prayers OF saints” are prayers of human men on Earth, who are IN Christ… and the prayers Are “odours”…. Not petitions of Living humans Asking bodily dead humans to petition God “for them”!

Exactly, Einstein. Those in Heaven are interceding on our behalf by taking OUR prayers before God.

False.

WRONG - and I already proved it above . . .

No.
Heb 12:
[1] Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

They IN Christ … can SEE other (living human witnesses) saints IN CHRIST around them and take comfort in their presence and Faith.

That’s NOT what Heb. 12:1 says.
It says that since WE are surrounded by THEM (witnesses) – WE need to live our live accordingly . . .

No.
Rev 6:1 are Departed Saved souls of JEWS, still on Earth, waiting for their other JEW Brethren, to Believe, Bodily Die, Be soul Saved… and all their saved departed souls to rise to heaven Together… and they Wonder HOW long their wait will be before God Avenges them.

You should actually try Reading Scripture … without your Catechism that tells you What to believe.

They are the souls of slain CHRISTIANS who are in Heaven having given their lives for the sake of the Word:

Rev. 6:9-10
When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?”

NOT sure what you’re smoking – but I suggest that you STOP . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are neither the Judge or Justifier.

Matt 16:
[27] For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

HUH??

I simply differentiated between works in Christ and works for self.
We’re SUPPOSED to judge a person’s works (Matt. 7:15-20) – and NOT their souls Einstein . . .

We? We… You have authority to speak for yourself, not authority to gaslight others.

I don’t speak FOR you, rather I speak For myself, whereas I gave my corrupt flesh unto Death, and put ON and Live IN Christs Jesus’ holy, perfect, uncorrupted body…
1 Cor 15: 53,54

You Still living IN your corrupt flesh…IS due to “YOUR” choice.

Your inability to comprehend the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN:
* claiming to HAVE no Sin….
and
* claiming to be naturally Born IN Sin, Forgiven, Gods INTERNAL Light Covering the Internal Sin, that such Sin is Neither able to be Seen or Remembered…
and can from henceforth SIN no more…
IS Obvious you sorely Lack “the very basic tenet” of Gods Word, Teaching, Offering, Power, Works and Order and Way He Fulfills His Own Word.
Embarrassingly sad for you.

You’re confused, son.
Allow me to educate you . . .

1 John 1-8 says explicitly:
If we claim to BE without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

It doesn’t say:
If we claim to have ALWAYS BEEN without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

It’s talking about our present condition– NOT the past . . .

Patently False.

Rom 11:
[29] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

LOL seriously?? You think Rejecting a Gift…equals Taking / Possessing the Gift?
Yipes… your comprehension ability is yet again a fail.

Really? The ALL knowing God… justified / saved the soul and quickened spirits of (numerous men)… and THEN…had to …(unsave the mans soul and UN quicken the mans spirit….
such a Clever man … Fooled the All knowing God?

Your preaching IS so far off kilter, you should STOP preaching Catechism and get Right with The Lord Gods Word.

Yes, REALLY . . .

God doesn’t force His love on us. He gives it too us FREELY – and it is available for us to FREELY accept it OR reject it. That’s LOVE.

YOUR version of God forcing Himself on use is Spiritual RAPE . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

So… by your self implied brilliance…ALL Scripture Applies to you…less you be a liar And yourself …CHERRYPICK…

I think I hit a nerve by exposing the fact that YOU don’t know what “cherry-picking” means.

Sorry, dude . . .

Got it…thank you Ma’am.

Ma’am??

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Ma’am??

Maybe he thinks the catholics like to do that cross dressing stuff?

 

[Taken]

Sure I am. Everybody needs to hear the truth.

You are Not “I am”… nor is your Truth equal to Gods Truth

First of all, mu ignorant friend, to “Pray” simple means to “ASK”:

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I am quite sure in your Carnal mind believes you’re Carnal understanding supersedes Scriptural meanings of Words.

PRAY…to address a solemn request or expression of thanks to a deity or other object of worship.

And, if YOU aren’t interceding for those who don’t know Christ –

While your catechism teaches you to bow and PRAY TO Statues and TO Dead People…
My Lord has taught me to PRAY FOR my fellow saints upon this earth, who routinely are subject to tribulations and injustices of ignorant men, of which you have adopted and promote their agenda.

Exactly, Einstein. Those in Heaven are interceding on our behalf by taking OUR prayers before God.

How absurd. Saints IN Heaven are Praising, Worshiping God…
Holy Angels are Gods Ministering Servants…
And Christ Jesus is the ONLY heavenly Intercessor…Not Departed souls or spirits of human men.

Your false catechism teaching fails you miserably.

WRONG - and I already proved it above . . .

You repeating false claims only proves the Truth escapes you.

That’s NOT what Heb. 12:1 says.
It says that since WE are surrounded by THEM (witnesses) – WE need to live our live accordingly . . .

Men who had/ have a relationship with the Lord God, witness / testify to Other men.
Angels (all around, unseen by humans) Witness to God what men do!

They are the souls of slain CHRISTIANS who are in Heaven having given their lives for the sake of the Word:

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Really … you think “souls under the alter” means souls IN Heaven?

Scripture says no such thing.

Rev 6:9
[10] And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
[11] And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

NOT sure what you’re smoking – but I suggest that you STOP . . .

You should stop eating up your false Catechism and try Tasting Gods Word… and consider Eating “His” Word.