Where do people get the authority?

[MatthewG]

So, then...you believe that we are now living "on earth as it is in heaven" and "where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal?"

Do you not realize that the hole you are digging...is getting deeper and deeper?

*EDIT


Today we build up the Spirit Man/Woman in Christ, building up treasures in heaven, there is where your heart will be...


I don't really know how to take the whole "on earth as it is in heaven" but if we live by the spirit, it's the heavenly wisdom that comes through us by the spirit of Christ, which comes forward to do righteousness and its all credit to Yeshua whom does it within us from the heart.

 

[nedsk]

People assume they have the authority to overtly cover and decide for others what is right and what is wrong concerning the bible.

Is there a passage of scripture which one can take the bible for today, and assert this authority over people?

Because from my understanding, there is no such scripture which a person can take the words written in the bible and make them for us today because the book was never written to us, in America for example, or Canada, or A specific person in a state.

Revelation was written to 7 literal churches with living breathing people.

So how can people assert this authority if there is no passage of scripture which state "and these letters are to everyone ever more."

Im fascinated by this persistent attitude that unless scripture explicitly says something then its cant be real or true. 1 Corinthians 11 is a perfect example.

 

[MatthewG]

Im fascinated by this persistent attitude that unless scripture explicitly says something then its cant be real or true. 1 Corinthians 11 is a perfect example.

I have to be this way, in order to make a point. What's 1 Corinthians 11 about? We know it was written to the people at that time and day.

 

[MatthewG]

I have to be this way, in order to make a point. What's 1 Corinthians 11 about? We know it was written to the people at that time and day.

And There was a second letter after the fact, which may correct any issues founded in the first letter.

 

[nedsk]

I have to be this way, in order to make a point. What's 1 Corinthians 11 about? We know it was written to the people at that time and day.

I dont see any point. Any book could be used as the basis for a system of belief. The communist manifesto for example, so what? what 1 Corinthians 11 is about, is right now, irrelevant as this matter about making a point

 

[ScottA]

*EDIT

Today we build up the Spirit Man/Woman in Christ, building up treasures in heaven, there is where your heart will be...

I don't really know how to take the whole "on earth as it is in heaven" but if we live by the spirit, it's the heavenly wisdom that comes through us by the spirit of Christ, which comes forward to do righteousness and its all credit to Yeshua whom does it within us from the heart.

Why then do you take up the sword and wield it so? Is this not the very abuse of authority that this thread is about? Do you not know there will be consequences?

 

[MatthewG]

I dont see any point. Any book could be used as the basis for a system of belief. The communist manifesto for example, so what? what 1 Corinthians 11 is about, is right now, irrelevant as this matter about making a point

Kay.

Why then do you take up the sword and wield it so? Is this not the very abuse of authority that this thread is about? Do you not know there will be consequences?

I've told you, no one has to believe me.

The point of the thread it to get people think for themselves, and understand there is no one whom has any authority when it comes to the bible, to dominate other peoples faith.

I just share information, whether or not you want to take it - it makes no difference to me.

You're the one consuming the information, making your own decisions, and precluded judgements.

You are allowed to believe what you want.

I am allowing people to pick and choose and have their own freedoms.

 

[nedsk]

Kay.



I've told you, no one has to believe me.

The point of the thread it to make people think for themselves, and understand there is no one whom has any authority when it comes to the bible, to dominate other peoples faith.

I just share information, whether or not you want to take it - it makes no difference to me.

You're the one consuming the information, making your own decisions, and precluded judgements.

You are allowed to believe what you want.

I am allowing people to pick and choose and have their own freedoms.

To say there is no one who has any authority when it come to the bible is an error, in my opinion. Whether or not people recognize that authority is NOT the same thing at and is an entirely different discussion.

 

[MatthewG]

To say there is no one who has any authority when it come to the bible is an error, in my opinion. Whether or not people recognize that authority is NOT the same thing at and is an entirely different discussion.

Do you have the authority, are there any more appointed Apostles today to look to and listen to? Cause they are all dead, and gone.

 

[nedsk]

Do you have the authority, are there any more appointed Apostles today to look to and listen to? Cause they are all dead, and gone.

Me personally? Oh course not. The apostles clearly established a system of replacing members upon their death as in the case of Mathias replacing Judas Iscariot. The earliest days of the church those apostles went and established churches throughout the known world. The early church fathers talk of bishops and presbyters. AGAIN the question isnt, is there an authority the real question is do you accept that authority. Ask the wrong question get the wrong answer.

 

[MatthewG]

Me personally? Oh course not. The apostles clearly established a system of replacing members upon their death as in the case of Mathias replacing Judas Iscariot.

When speaking of this, I find it interesting the way they did it. They casted lots to add someone in to the fold, but it was Paul whom was the one who replaced Judas. At least that is what I see out of that.

The earliest days of the church those apostles went and established churches throughout the known world. The early church fathers talk of bishops and presbyters. AGAIN the question isnt, is there an authority the real question is do you accept that authority. Ask the wrong question get the wrong answer.

No.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, and yet the specific error I see here in this thread, is the assumption that if WE have been saved WE are also finished as Christ who finished His work on the cross.

But indeed, if we still have breath and are of the body of Christ--if He is in us and we in Him, then He and WE together as His body are NOT finished with the work yet to be finished in these generations since the church began--even unto the end.

Oh , i see .
The truth is once we are called to Christ , our walk has just began .
Be diligent and vigilent for many crown takers do lead this people astray .
It aint over till our last breath or JESUS DO come again for us .
Just a friendly , but dire necessary needful reminder for all to hear .
Too many have beleived in vain . too many now follow the call of another jesus
and that jesus sure does accept their sin
and its love sure has made the road to GOD very very darn broad indeed .
Which means what , IT AINT JESUS and it cannot save them .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, and yet the specific error I see here in this thread, is the assumption that if WE have been saved WE are also finished as Christ who finished His work on the cross.

But indeed, if we still have breath and are of the body of Christ--if He is in us and we in Him, then He and WE together as His body are NOT finished with the work yet to be finished in these generations since the church began--even unto the end.

many have no idea at all
That endure to the end , means endure to the end .
They rest in all the wrong stuff as they holler they rest in Christ and yet the jesus they rest in
sure dont correct their sin or any other sin in them churches .
Their love sure hollers judge not if anyone does try and correct sin in the church too .
AINT LOOKING GOOD at all in christendom and i mean NOT AT ALL . many have fallen in mad love with a lie
with a love that is NOT OF GOD but is of the world and through this love , does the dragon feed their flesh .
Scott we are in deadly and dangerous times and much delusion does abound .

 

[amigo de christo]

So, what, you do not believe what is written by Daniel that was sealed till the time of the end, or what John wrote regarding the sealed and unfinished mystery of God being revealed not until just before the end when the seventh angel is about to sound?

Its very clear to see something .
SOMETHING HAS BEEN UNLEASHED
and with great deception now merges all tribes and all religoins
to be as one under what IT says is GOD .
BUT IT is only preparing their hearts to upmost rebellion
and is making them very hard hearted and evil affected agaisnt the true sheep .
THE LARGEST WORLD WIDE CRUSADE that has ever been IS About to COME
and it will come right against the true sheep who did not conform .
ITS LIKE something unholy and full of all evil
Something has been unleashed upon this generation . TOTAL reprobation now sets in
under the guise its love and boy has this love sure making hearts evil affected against truth
ANY REMINDER OF TRUTH and any sheep who do speak truth .

 

[amigo de christo]

So, then...you believe that we are now living "on earth as it is in heaven" and "where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal?"

Do you not realize that the hole you are digging...is getting deeper and deeper?

The all inclusive lovey do is the most hateful on earth .
And one even on this site
who often plays this love game
has been seen writing , that HE HATES certain people . OH I SEEN IT . i just did not comment on it .
THEIR LOVE is leading them into greater and greater hatred against any who dares to expose their sin , error and etc .
IT will get much worse and faster too .

 

[MatthewG]

I personally have Amigo on ignore. So I will not respond to his posts.


If anyone else would like to comment please feel free to discuss.


Where do people get the authority.

Who has the right to judge another person but Yahavah himself.

Or a judge that you stand in front of when you have settle your reasonings in court itself.

 

[ScottA]

The point of the thread it to get people think for themselves, and understand there is no one whom has any authority when it comes to the bible, to dominate other peoples faith.

That is you preaching against the gifts of the Holy Spirit ("some prophets" etc), the foretold prophecies of "He who restrains" being taken out of the way, and the finish of the mystery of God when the seventh angel is about to sound.

Not merely what I "believe", but what is written.

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[MatthewG]

That is you preaching against the gifts of the Holy Spirit ("some prophets" etc), the foretold prophecies of "He who restrains" being taken out of the way, and the finish of the mystery of God when the seventh angel is about to sound.

There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

If you think so by all means think so.

If you are self-proclaimed prophet your predictions need to come true. Otherwise you are just lying to yourself.

I believe what has been written according to what Yeshua was to come and do.

The Spirit of Christ produces fruits of whatever it mentions in Galatians.

 

[nedsk]

When speaking of this, I find it interesting the way they did it. They casted lots to add someone in to the fold, but it was Paul whom was the one who replaced Judas. At least that is what I see out of that.


No.

When speaking of this, I find it interesting the way they did it. They casted lots to add someone in to the fold, but it was Paul whom was the one who replaced Judas. At least that is what I see out of that.


No.

it doesnt matter how they did it. Paul didnt replace Judas, Mathias did. Its a direct example of apostolic succession.

No what? Thats more than meaningless. The early church fathers give us the best picture of the development of the church after the death of the last apostle. There is no reason to believe the authority of the church ended when John died. Thats foolishness.

 

[MatthewG]

it doesnt matter how they did it. Paul didnt replace Judas, Mathias did. Its a direct example of apostolic succession.

No what? Thats more than meaningless. The early church fathers give us the best picture of the development of the church after the death of the last apostle. There is no reason to believe the authority of the church ended when John died. Thats foolishness.

If you say so. I believe and see a little differently.

I don't even care much for the early church fathers.

I just trust God himself. I trust the Spirit. I trust what the bible has already foretold of what was to happen.

Hope you understand.