Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?

[Marvelloustime]

As if . So try telling me with scrips
where i am wrong
about the fact that many DO preach another jesus
that many who even lip his name , as i once did , yet followed satan , was not saved
do not exist . OH THEY SURE DO exist .
Look at the churches ,
most today have no real idea what jesus they follow
and they would have run both HIM and the apostels RIGHT OUTTA they churches .
Fact . This is a very sad fact , BUT ITS STILL A FACT .

@amigo de christo

 

[pandaflower]

I actually meant what I said.

Much love!

Is it a common thing here? To encounter those who work to convince us we are not actually saved in Christ?

The personalities of some are so negative, egoistical and aggressive, that I have to ask. Because what I see in that which I described is more like what I've read when browsing unbelievers communities.

Where's the joy and peace in Christ?
How does discussing God's words compel rage and personal attack and thinking to play God as judge?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

sorry , but you gonna have to do way better than that kind of response .
OR , or do you really honestly beleive
that just anyone who cliams to believe really does .
EVEN YOU KNOW folks use that name and lip another jesus .
come on man ...........
MANY are in the thralls of a mad and wild passionate love
with another jesus created of satan , who used that name
to preach a jesus that cannot save them. Come on man .
sorry for the phrase of biden , i dont heed that anti christ either .
But friend , when will this people wake up .

I never asked you that

Does God need proof?

Its a serious question.

God did not call you to be a fruit inspector. Nor did he call me to be an inspector.

Judge not God says.

who are yuo to judge?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

As if . So try telling me with scrips
where i am wrong
about the fact that many DO preach another jesus
that many who even lip his name , as i once did , yet followed satan , was not saved
do not exist . OH THEY SURE DO exist .
Look at the churches ,
most today have no real idea what jesus they follow
and they would have run both HIM and the apostels RIGHT OUTTA they churches .
Fact . This is a very sad fact , BUT ITS STILL A FACT .

again

does God need proof. Does he save someone today. then 20 years from now. say oops I made a mistake.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Is it a common thing here? To encounter those who work to convince us we are not actually saved in Christ?

The personalities of some are so negative, egoistical and aggressive, that I have to ask. Because what I see in that which I described is more like what I've read when browsing unbelievers communities.

Where's the joy and peace in Christ?
How does discussing God's words compel rage and personal attack and thinking to play God as judge?

I am amazed at all those who think God wants us to be fruit inspectors.

Take care of our own house before we try to take care of someone else's.

Now if we are in a discipleship relationship. that is different, then we confess to each other.

 

[marks]

Is it a common thing here? To encounter those who work to convince us we are not actually saved in Christ?

The personalities of some are so negative, egoistical and aggressive, that I have to ask. Because what I see in that which I described is more like what I've read when browsing unbelievers communities.

Yes it is a common thing here. There are many like that.

Where's the joy and peace in Christ?
How does discussing God's words compel rage and personal attack and thinking to play God as judge?

Good questions! If walking in the Spirit is characterized by love and joy and peace and patience and gentleness and so forth?

I think of the place it says, speaking truth to each other, for we are members of one another. When so many here seen perfectly willing to twist around others' words to make it sound like they are saying things that they are not. I see that happen time and again!

Much love!

 

[pandaflower]

Yes it is a common thing here. There are many like that.

I thought perhaps I was misreading. Thank you for your input.

Good questions! If walking in the Spirit is characterized by love and joy and peace and patience and gentleness and so forth?

That's how I live the truth of and within Jesus .

I think of the place it says, speaking truth to each other, for we are members of one another.

And with gentleness and respect,when we are all one together in him.

When so many here seen perfectly willing to twist around others' words to make it sound like they are saying things that they are not. I see that happen time and again!

Much love!

Isn't that twisting also known as gaslighting?

I've read what you described there. And when I'm reading some posts like that it turns out as talking in circles.Cancelling out what is said in the same sentence or paragraph.

 

[marks]

And when I'm reading some posts like that it turns out as talking in circles.Cancelling out what is said in the same sentence or paragraph.

Gaslighting, yes, I get that at times.

This is my primary objection, that so much time is wasted this way, talking in circles, or the many deflections.

Much love!

 

[amigo de christo]

I never asked you that

Does God need proof?

Its a serious question.

God did not call you to be a fruit inspector. Nor did he call me to be an inspector.

Judge not God says.

who are yuo to judge?

God knows who are HIS . so for you to ask such a question in order to defend
the wrong version of this judge not , aint good .
DO ye not judge those that are within . This generation would have ran paul right out of its houses and churches .
Try reading their approach to sin within the body . This generation
would have yelled almost non stop at his warnings and reminders ,
telling him , HEY DUDE JUDGE NOT . you all have no idea what that means .
CONDEMN NOT . but we darn sure are to judge those within the church .
Speaking of paul i may as well add james , jude , peter to that list , john too
heck he says one who beleives not the testimony that GOD gave of the SON calls GOD A LIAR
in fact HE says he who denies JESUS is the CHRIST IS ANTI CHRIST .
but now even that gets told , HEY JUDGE NOT , YA DONT KNOW THE MUSLIMS HEART , the buddist heart .
I mean this madness has now even just about silenced even the preaching of the gospel .
WHEN DOES IT END . Well the when no man knows that day or hour
BUT I can tell you where this madness ends , IN PERDTION . cause this not correcting
Has led to the uprise of much leaven and much rebellion . ITS NOT GONNA save or help anyone .

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God knows who are HIS . so for you to ask such a question in order to defend
the wrong version of this judge not , aint good .

Your right, God does know

so your argument we have to pump our chest like a proud pharisee praising God we are not like the sinner is Mute.

DO ye not judge those that are within . This generation would have ran paul right out of its houses and churches .
Try reading their approach to sin within the body . This generation
would have yelled almost non stop at his warnings and reminders ,
telling him , HEY DUDE JUDGE NOT . you all have no idea what that means .
CONDEMN NOT . but we darn sure are to judge those within the church .
Speaking of paul i may as well add james , jude , peter to that list , john too
heck he says one who beleives not the testimony that GOD gave of the SON calls GOD A LIAR
in fact HE says he who denies JESUS is the CHRIST IS ANTI CHRIST .
but now even that gets told , HEY JUDGE NOT , YA DONT KNOW THE MUSLIMS HEART , the buddist heart .
I mean this madness has now even just about silenced even the preaching of the gospel .
WHEN DOES IT END . Well the when no man knows that day or hour
BUT I can tell you where this madness ends , IN PERDTION . cause this not correcting
Has led to the uprise of much leaven and much rebellion . ITS NOT GONNA save or help anyone .

No.

Paul would have run you and those like you out of the churches.

Because Paul taught grace. and "In the confines of the church "discipline". then we are told how to do this. i a specific way./

I grew up with my Dad telling people to clean up their act first and then maybe God would save them and hear them

There was no life in his gospel. and there is no life in yours.

We are told to love. Not judge.

You see a church who is allowing free sin to go without anything. walk away. wipe the dist off your feet. Maybe give warnings about that particular church.

But don't be like the Baptist church that thought they were going to be Gods whip. and go around busting people up who Need God.. Because you will not find any followers. and if you do.. they are probably just like you. Just want to make themselves appear more righteous than they are. Because they have not yet found true grace love and mercy.

Sorry bro. But I can not stand a chest pumping pharisee who thinks they are all that..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I thought perhaps I was misreading. Thank you for your input.

That's how I live the truth of and within Jesus .

And with gentleness and respect,when we are all one together in him.

Isn't that twisting also known as gaslighting?

I've read what you described there. And when I'm reading some posts like that it turns out as talking in circles.Cancelling out what is said in the same sentence or paragraph.

Sadly. To many are what I call "churched" they are told not only what to believe, but what other groups believe. and told to attack those other groups.

so they look for key words. and when they hear them, a light Goes on. They say "got ya" and come at you with the arguments they have all been trained to make

A bid example is the term OSAS. Now the term is not in scripture. And can be used as the gospel of Grace can be. as licentious belief (say a sinners prayer and you are saved forever. go eat drink and be merry) but that does not mean the words in context are not biblical truth.

sadly we have this Arminian vs Calvin debate, and when many hear the word OSAS. they automatically assume you are Calvinist. and will bombard you with anti calvinist propoganda.

Not even able to hear the words. "I am not a calvinist" to which they will call you a liar and say you deny what you are.

its sad..

 

[amigo de christo]

Your right, God does know

so your argument we have to pump our chest like a proud pharisee praising God we are not like the sinner is Mute.

No.

Paul would have run you and those like you out of the churches.

Because Paul taught grace. and "In the confines of the church "discipline". then we are told how to do this. i a specific way./

I grew up with my Dad telling people to clean up their act first and then maybe God would save them and hear them

There was no life in his gospel. and there is no life in yours.

We are told to love. Not judge.

You see a church who is allowing free sin to go without anything. walk away. wipe the dist off your feet. Maybe give warnings about that particular church.

But don't be like the Baptist church that thought they were going to be Gods whip. and go around busting people up who Need God.. Because you will not find any followers. and if you do.. they are probably just like you. Just want to make themselves appear more righteous than they are. Because they have not yet found true grace love and mercy.

Sorry bro. But I can not stand a chest pumping pharisee who thinks they are all that..

Take notice that people on this site claim to beleive .
It aint chest pumping to remind , to warn , to correct and to expose any false doctrines , sins , or errors
Love does warn , it does correct , it does not allow sin upon its neighbor .
Lets bring doctrine not chest pumping phrases to expose .
And anyone who truly knows me , would have known i dont try and make myself seem more righteous than etc .
You are bringing thoughts and assumptoins about me . Not biblical doctrine
to expose . So i invite us all again to read those letters of the apostels , the gospels
the things in scripture and you see again exactly how they did and viewed things .
You will see a far more grave stance , you will see a true agape love at work
that does all for the good of the church . These men of this generation
allowed their own to fall because they would not correct the sin and error within the church .
But lets all just start in the bible again , WITHOUT our mens doctrines and etc .
Just read and enjoy it daily . Watch what will occur .

 

[Hiddenthings]

John 1:29 KJV
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Did Jesus take away the sin of the world? What does that mean?

Much love!

Revelation 14:4 - They followed the Lamb wherever he goes.
"It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are virgins. It is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes. These have been redeemed from mankind as firstfruits for God and the Lamb."

Revelation 21:9 - The Lamb’s wife.
"Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb."

Revelation 21:14 - The apostles of the Lamb.
"And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb."

 

[Davy]

Slip up? Isn't that a bit of a whitewash? Sin kills. No question. Sin separates us from God by making us spiritually dead, no longer living in the same realm as God.

Either your obedience is required to be saved or it's not.

1% sin is still fatal. That's why it must all be removed.

Much love!

You still are not addressing the matter of those who have fallen away from Christ, like Fidel Castro. He's not the only one. Charles Darwin was originally a Christian raised in the church, until he started associating with atheists and natural history groups like the Plinian Society which caused him to rebel against The Bible and religion.

Point being is... 'once saved, always saved' is a doctrine of men, and not from God.

 

[Davy]

No, it does not. Read more carefully.

No, YOU... need to read your Bible more carefully. You obviously are missing a whole lot of it.

I'd recommend you study Lord Jesus' prayer to The Father in John 17, which is about those who believe on Him, two groups of believers, those chosen that were 'sent', and then the second group being those who would believe on Him by the word of His chosen sent ones. That's the many are called, but few are chosen idea by Jesus.

 

[Davy]

lol.

Think again.

then again, if you want to save yourself. feel free.. we will not stop you. just try to share the truth with you

That's a stupid statement showing you really don't have any Bible Scripture to back up what you are saying.

OSAS is from the devil and is a doctrine designed to deceive believers into thinking they never have need of future repentance of sin or asking forgiveness. And I can show where Apostle John proclaimed that OSAS doctrine calling Lord Jesus a LIAR.

 

[Davy]

No, we are not calvinists.

I believe in 0 of the 5 points of calvinism.

Calvin believed that ONLY those who had previously been ordained to Salvation will be saved.

That idea by Calvin completely REMOVES any idea that God has given the majority free will to choose to believe, or not believe. It instead suggests that we, Christ's Church, are just robots, not in control of our own destiny with accepting eternal Life through Christ, or rejecting eternal Life to instead perish at the future "lake of fire".

 

[MatthewG]

Slip up? Isn't that a bit of a whitewash? Sin kills. No question. Sin separates us from God by making us spiritually dead, no longer living in the same realm as God.

Either your obedience is required to be saved or it's not.

1% sin is still fatal. That's why it must all be removed.

Much love!

There is only one sin that remains, the sin of unbelief.

Though all sins have been covered by the Lord Yeshua for all people.

That is the only one that remains.

Ive learned that we are justified by the blood of Christ, and his lived sanctified life.

All people are justified today by the blood of Christ, and there is simply the remaining in unbelief that remains.

 

[Davy]

so your saying Jesus did not know about those sins when he gave you eternal life. he just gave it to you hoping you would not sin again?

Ah... now you don't have any Scripture to turn to by what you have been deceived by, and now you turn to the omnipresent knowledge of God, which turning to that idea is truly... reaching.

Like Apostle John said when talking to believers about future sin, those who claim they have no sin make Jesus out as a LIAR, and there is NO truth in them...

1 John 1:6-10
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
KJV


Therefore, brethren in Christ that actually CARE what God's Word says as written, when you listen to the deceived 'once saved, always saved' folks, you risk the danger of walking into traps setup by the devil and his servants here on earth that run those kind of beth-avens (houses of vanity). They may act like they are nice and proper, offer a lot of social functions, and think they are doing real good in The LORD, but in reality their doctrines from men like OSAS and false pre-trib rapture theories are designed to lead to the devil.

 

[Lizbeth]

John 1:29 KJV
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Did Jesus take away the sin of the world? What does that mean?

Much love!

It isn't necessarily or entirely in a literal sense. I believe it means He is casting the remembrance of sins as far away as the east is from the west, into the sea of forgetfulness. In the sense of not counting one's sins against them. ie, forgiving them. Think we should take note of the tense too....is that what is called the present continuous tense..?.....because Jesus is still "taking away the sins of the world" and will continue taking away the sins of whosoever believes on Him both Jew and Gentile for as long as this age of grace lasts....the reference to "the world" means people of any nation of the world can receive Him, not just the Jews/Israel.