Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?

[amigo de christo]

that is in any doctrine from the osas to the osnas to the baptism of the spiriting speaking in tongues .. a gen baptist who holds to osnas can live outside the will of God . you ask are you saved? reply they will say yes.. do you hold to osas ? NO.. go figure

The question of all questions is
what JESUS or jesus is one loving .
What JESUS or jesus is one trusting in .
What JESUS or jesus does one BELEIVE . WHOSE WORDS .
WHY o why
am i seeing HIS OWN words getting tossed out for inclusivims gospel which is a lie of anti christ .
JESUS said ONE MUST BELEIVE to be saved
INCLUSIVITY and its gospel says , OH no they dont , they just need to love their neighbor
SOMEONE is lying to this generation .
SO allow me take us back to the garden so we can see WHO this liar is
that has sold such a thing to this generation .
GOD told adam , NOT to eat of the tree for in the day ye eat thereof ye shall surely die .
Some time later
someone approaches eve and asks her .
HAS GOD really said ............
and she says We may eat of all the trees in the garden , BUT NOT the tree in the midst
for in the day we do we shall surely die . The liar said NAY ye shall not surely die .
GUESS what THEY DID .
AND SO TOO WILL ALL REMAIN IN DEATH , lest one cometh to faith IN CHRIST .
YEAH , YE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM . GOD cannot lie , but the devil , now he surely can .

 

[Marvelloustime]

God knows who are HIS . so for you to ask such a question in order to defend
the wrong version of this judge not , aint good .
DO ye not judge those that are within . This generation would have ran paul right out of its houses and churches .
Try reading their approach to sin within the body . This generation
would have yelled almost non stop at his warnings and reminders ,
telling him , HEY DUDE JUDGE NOT . you all have no idea what that means .
CONDEMN NOT . but we darn sure are to judge those within the church .
Speaking of paul i may as well add james , jude , peter to that list , john too
heck he says one who beleives not the testimony that GOD gave of the SON calls GOD A LIAR
in fact HE says he who denies JESUS is the CHRIST IS ANTI CHRIST .
but now even that gets told , HEY JUDGE NOT , YA DONT KNOW THE MUSLIMS HEART , the buddist heart .
I mean this madness has now even just about silenced even the preaching of the gospel .
WHEN DOES IT END . Well the when no man knows that day or hour
BUT I can tell you where this madness ends , IN PERDTION . cause this not correcting
Has led to the uprise of much leaven and much rebellion . ITS NOT GONNA save or help anyone .

@amigo de christo

 

[marks]

Osas has taught dangerous concepts .

This is the truth of Scripture, that if you are truly reborn, you will never be separated from God again. For He has promised . . . I will NEVER leave you, nor forsake you.

We can fully trust this truth!

However one thing reigns true
ANYONE that came out, was NEVER OF us .
So as far as even karl marx who once beleived
and later came out . HIMS WAS NEVER TRULY OF US . that is a solid fact .

Exactly. The true remain, the false, though they may appear true, do not remain.

Much love!

 

[Marvelloustime]

Well it is dangerous for them . MINE SALVATION is SECURE IN CHRIST and IN HE ALONE .
And i trust HIS WORDS , including HIS warnings and reminders
as well as the reminders of the apostels , WHICH also DID REMIND the church YE MUST CONTINUE IN HIM .
Speaking of those dangerous people
HOW COME so many within christendom now
believe even other religoins are gonna be okay and serve the same GOD WE DO .
WHY oh WHY IS THAT LIE getting bought .
And you people come after me
A man WHO HAS NON STOP fought against the lie of interfaith
WHICH DOES DENY the FACT ONE MUST BELIEVE TO BE SAVED .
But because i warn against some things OSAS taught that are dangerous
You and others act like I am the one in danger .
NO sir or mam , ITS THOSE WHO FOLLOW THIS ALL INCLUSVIVE sin accepting
UNBELIEF accepting fake love that DENY JESUS THE CHRIST and are actually co helpers to that which is of
ANTI CHRIST .
so what do you have to say about so called finding common ground interfaith interreligious
sin accepting lie . MANY now follow it . Beleiving its the LOVE OF GOD
when IT DARN SURE AINT , ITS of satan who desires THE DEATH OF THEM ALL . but again what says you about it .

@amigo de christo

 

[Eternally Grateful]

That's a stupid statement showing you really don't have any Bible Scripture to back up what you are saying.

OSAS is from the devil and is a doctrine designed to deceive believers into thinking they never have need of future repentance of sin or asking forgiveness. And I can show where Apostle John proclaimed that OSAS doctrine calling Lord Jesus a LIAR.

again

if you want to earn your salvation feel free.

Eternal life and the eternal seall of the spirit is scripture.

You want to fight some doctrine called OSAS feel free.

You want to replace it with legalism. well thats on you

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Calvin believed that ONLY those who had previously been ordained to Salvation will be saved.

We do not believe this

next!!!!

That idea by Calvin completely REMOVES any idea that God has given the majority free will to choose to believe, or not believe. It instead suggests that we, Christ's Church, are just robots, not in control of our own destiny with accepting eternal Life through Christ, or rejecting eternal Life to instead perish at the future "lake of fire".

I believe in free will.

If you want to keep showing how much YOU lack listening skills. continue to nonsense by trying to declare I am Calvinist.

otherwise. listen to what I say and interpret me. otherwise. You just show you are hard hearted

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Ah... now you don't have any Scripture to turn to by what you have been deceived by, and now you turn to the omnipresent knowledge of God, which turning to that idea is truly... reaching.

Like Apostle John said when talking to believers about future sin, those who claim they have no sin make Jesus out as a LIAR, and there is NO truth in them...

1 John 1:6-10
6 If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:

7 But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanseth us from all sin.

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
KJV


Therefore, brethren in Christ that actually CARE what God's Word says as written, when you listen to the deceived 'once saved, always saved' folks, you risk the danger of walking into traps setup by the devil and his servants here on earth that run those kind of beth-avens (houses of vanity). They may act like they are nice and proper, offer a lot of social functions, and think they are doing real good in The LORD, but in reality their doctrines from men like OSAS and false pre-trib rapture theories are designed to lead to the devil.

again, You have completely made yourself look bad

NOTHING you said here goes again anything I believe. or proves your point.

If your going to continue to read me with a calvinist lens. you will continue to misrepresent me and continue to prove you have not heard A word I said.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm saying you are mischaracterizing my posts. Maybe it's not because you aren't reading my posts carefully, maybe you are, and are doing it anyway.

Why are so many people so quick to deflect from the point at hand?

Much love!

Doing this to you also huh?

I can only laugh

 

[Eternally Grateful]

This is the truth of Scripture, that if you are truly reborn, you will never be separated from God again. For He has promised . . . I will NEVER leave you, nor forsake you.

We can fully trust this truth!

Exactly. The true remain, the false, though they may appear true, do not remain.

Much love!

sad of people who continue to trust self. and have no faith God. who promised he will change us, and conform us to his image. may fail..

 

[Eternally Grateful]

@amigo de christo
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HEARING the gospel (what you have heard)

and actually TRUSTING in this gospel. in a way that saves. are two different thing

Many people have heard the gospel. even walked among us claiming to be part of us.. but have never met Christ.

One of the examples given that can show us who these people are. is they fall from grace, they walk away. They become unbelievers..

As John said, they were never of us..

Jesus said he will never leave nor forsake us under any circumstances.


He also says the father promised him he would never lose anyone.


Who are you going to trust. Yourself? Your legalistic friend or pastor who wants you to look at YOU and not God.

Or God

 

[Scott Downey]

It isn't necessarily or entirely in a literal sense. I believe it means He is casting the remembrance of sins as far away as the east is from the west, into the sea of forgetfulness. In the sense of not counting one's sins against them. ie, forgiving them. Think we should take note of the tense too....is that what is called the present continuous tense..?.....because Jesus is still "taking away the sins of the world" and will continue taking away the sins of whosoever believes on Him both Jew and Gentile for as long as this age of grace lasts....the reference to "the world" means people of any nation of the world can receive Him, not just the Jews/Israel.

Isn't that not remembering their sins only for those who are in His New Covenant, as in saved people?
Are the unbelieving people in the world of His New Covenant?
Seems to me verses 10, 11 and 12 only apply to believers in Christ, as the prior qualification is they know God and Christ? As in those who are His people?

Hebrews 8
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. 8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

10 For this is the (NEW) covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.

11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins [b]and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

13 In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

 

[marks]

Doing this to you also huh?

I can only laugh

These conversations seem to engender dishonesty. It's a crying shame!

Much love!

 

[Scott Downey]

What part do the unbelieving have in the New Covenant at all?
Are they His people and is He their God?
You might argue God is the God of everyone, but there is the TEST of knowing Him and Him knowing us, and that is what matters for salvation.

The Narrow Way​

22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”

And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’

26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’

27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’

28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29 They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”

 

[pandaflower]

that is in any doctrine from the osas to the osnas to the baptism of the spiriting speaking in tongues .. a gen baptist who holds to osnas can live outside the will of God . you ask are you saved? reply they will say yes.. do you hold to osas ? NO.. go figure

I hold to what God tells me.

Eternal life,eternally secure,eternally in the salvation afforded by the grace of God and his sacrifice as Jesus so to secure our eternal redemption.
When God said it,then sacrificed the flesh to prove it,I believe there is no debate.

OSAS is another way of affirming eternal salvation. Unfortunately,it appears as another way to condemn and deny that as well.

 

[MatthewG]

What part do the unbelieving have in the New Covenant at all?
Are they His people and is He their God?
You might argue God is the God of everyone, but there is the TEST of knowing Him and Him knowing us, and that is what matters for salvation.

The Narrow Way​

22 And He went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. 23 Then one said to Him, “Lord, are there few who are saved?”

And He said to them, 24 “Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.

25 When once the Master of the house has risen up and shut the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock at the door, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open for us,’ and He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know you, where you are from,’

26 then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets.’

27 But He will say, ‘I tell you I do not know you, where you are from. Depart from Me, all you workers of iniquity.’

28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, and yourselves thrust out. 29 They will come from the east and the west, from the north and the south, and sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And indeed there are last who will be first, and there are first who will be last.”

Do you want unbelievers to be part of that plan? Cause God is no longer angry at the world anymore due to the blood that Jesus had shed for the whole world.

Not just believers, Jesus did it so everyone had the equal chance ability to come to God or not.

A person from the heart believes, or rejects God and desires nothing of him from the heart.

In Revelation it's stated there is an "Inside of the Kingdom, and Outside of the Kingdom."

Why is that?

Why are faithless people claimed to be outside of the gates of the city in heaven?

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[Scott Downey]

Hebrews 9, see this New Covenant is for the believing, not the unbelieving.

NKJV
14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without [a]spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
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The called in v15 point back to the believing in v14
Christ as the Mediator of the New Covenant points out the Christ is the Great Shepherd of the Sheep

Hebrews 13

20 Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus from the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, 21 make you [a]complete in every good work to do His will, working in [b]you what is well pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.

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KJV
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

ASV
And for this cause he is the mediator of a new covenant, that a death having taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, they that have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
AMP
For this reason He is the Mediator and Negotiator of a new covenant [that is, an entirely new agreement uniting God and man], so that those who have been called [by God] may receive [the fulfillment of] the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has taken place [as the payment] which redeems them from the sins committed under the obsolete first covenant.
AMPC
[Christ, the Messiah] is therefore the Negotiator and Mediator of an [entirely] new agreement (testament, covenant), so that those who are called and offered it may receive the fulfillment of the promised everlasting inheritance—since a death has taken place which rescues and delivers and redeems them from the transgressions committed under the [old] first agreement.

EXB
For this reason Christ ·brings a new agreement from God to his people [L is the mediator of a new covenant/contract]. Those who are called by God can now receive the eternal ·blessings [inheritance] he has promised. They can have those things because Christ died to ·set them free [redeem them] from the ·sins [transgressions; violations] committed under the first agreement [covenant; contract].

 

[MatthewG]

Hebrews 9, see this New Covenant is for the believing, not the unbelieving.

NKJV
14 how much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without [a]spot to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
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KJV
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

ASV
And for this cause he is the mediator of a new covenant, that a death having taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, they that have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
AMP
For this reason He is the Mediator and Negotiator of a new covenant [that is, an entirely new agreement uniting God and man], so that those who have been called [by God] may receive [the fulfillment of] the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has taken place [as the payment] which redeems them from the sins committed under the obsolete first covenant.
AMPC
[Christ, the Messiah] is therefore the Negotiator and Mediator of an [entirely] new agreement (testament, covenant), so that those who are called and offered it may receive the fulfillment of the promised everlasting inheritance—since a death has taken place which rescues and delivers and redeems them from the transgressions committed under the [old] first agreement.

EXB
For this reason Christ ·brings a new agreement from God to his people [L is the mediator of a new covenant/contract]. Those who are called by God can now receive the eternal ·blessings [inheritance] he has promised. They can have those things because Christ died to ·set them free [redeem them] from the ·sins [transgressions; violations] committed under the first agreement [covenant; contract].

Scott,

Can you answer my question? Hebrews wasn't written to me either way. But I take the covenant that has been now established, today, as for all people.

Those whom are his, God will write on their minds and hearts, and those whom reject, are rejecting from the heart causing them to remain in the sin of unbelief that is a choice.


All the sins has been taken care of, it's choice to remain in unbelief and not desire anything to do with God period.

 

[MatthewG]

Everyone and their mother has heard of Jesus, or God in America, so we can't say that people don't already know the Lord, from the least to the greatest. Same in other countries as well.


Some way and some how people have heard of God in their life time.

And... even the Skies declare the Work of God himself too.

 

[Scott Downey]

Scott,

Can you answer my question? Hebrews wasn't written to me either way. But I take the covenant that has been now established, today, as for all people.

Those whom are his, God will write on their minds and hearts, and those whom reject, are rejecting from the heart causing them to remain in the sin of unbelief that is a choice.


All the sins has been taken care of, it's choice to remain in unbelief and not desire anything to do with God period.

Book of Hebrews not for you? Really.
Well how about the New Covenant, as it says God will make it with Israel and Judah.
Are you in the New Covenant with God or not?

 

[MatthewG]

Book of Hebrews not for you? Really.
Well how about the New Covenant, as it says God will make it with Israel and Judah.
Are you in the New Covenant with God or not?

I not Jewish. That was written to Jewish believers, but I still believe that covenant was made and established.


I said "It is not written directly to me."

Will you answer my question?