How the Word of God, Born of a Virgin named Jesus became the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY

[MatthewG]

I’d like to share my personal perspective, along with a few references that have helped shape my understanding—such as the book of Daniel, the moment when Jesus appeared glorified on the mountain with Moses and Elijah (as witnessed by the disciples), and passages from Revelation, especially chapters 3 and 4.

From what I gather, Jesus is depicted as the one who would share the throne with the Father after overcoming all things. Daniel’s vision appears to describe a figure with eyes like fire, which I interpret as Jesus. Once his mission was complete, I see Jesus as sharing in divine authority and presence with the Father—together unified as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

This unity seems to reflect a culmination or return to oneness, as Jesus is glorified in the events described in Revelation. In my view, there's God, His Word, and His Holy Spirit—and then there's the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, in whom God and Yeshua are fully united.

These are personal thoughts based on my study and reflections. While I don’t personally hold to the traditional understanding of the Trinity, I believe Jesus was God among us, and through glorification, became fully one with God as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY after triumphing over all.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Sorry, but if you say you believe Jesus was God, then it couldn't have "become God," or "become united with God" in time. If he was God at all he had to have been God from eternity.

 

[pandaflower]

In my studies I find your perspective is not aligned with scripture.

In my studies I find when the word is God in the beginning,there is no becoming any other than what God the word ordained.

God was,in the beginning. He ,being the only savior,then became that in flesh. So that we would see and know he dwelt among us.

God cannot become anything more than what is first and foremost in the beginning,perfect eternal creator who is within all that is there in created both of and from him.

 

[MatthewG]

Most of the time it's always 100% god and 100% man idea. That number combined is 200%.

I am just sharing my perspective using scripture, whether people agree or not.

Because Jesus as a man had to overcome his flesh, and then his was glorified and given the right to sit with his Father.

The Word of God was glorified in the Old Testament, however that Word became a man, in the Apostolic Record.

Jesus as a man spoke saying "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."

Go and see Revelation 3, 4.

Glorified as promised becoming the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. (The only time this phrase is used in the Apostolic Record is found in Revelation.)


You can say, no, but I've given the benefit of why I do, using scripture.

Be it wrong or right to you in your own mind.

 

[pandaflower]

Most of the time it's always 100% god and 100% man idea. That number combined is 200%.

I am just sharing my perspective using scripture, whether people agree or not.

Because Jesus as a man had to overcome his flesh, and then his was glorified and given the right to sit with his Father.

The Word of God was glorified in the Old Testament, however that Word became a man, in the Apostolic Record.

Jesus as a man spoke saying "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."

Go and see Revelation 3, 4.

Glorified as promised becoming the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. (The only time this phrase is used in the Apostolic Record is found in Revelation.)


You can say, no, but I've given the benefit of why I do, using scripture.

Be it wrong or right to you in your own mind.

"Be it wrong or right to you in your own mind."
And the same regarding my understanding under your review.

In my studies this verse in quotes below vacates entirely any effort made to insist Jesus was a man who became someone other than the Messiah who fulfilled the mission God the word was made flesh to accomplish.

Jesus as a man spoke saying "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."


When God is not a man that he should lie,I do not believe it can be righteously argued he was a man that became able to save us.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for sharing.

He died as a man, and was risen again by God/Yahavah.

At least that is founded somewhere in the Bible.

But there was a progression.

Once all things where placed underneath the feet of Jesus, Jesus would give everything back to God so God is all in all.

There is also a scene in Revelation 3,4.

 

[pandaflower]

Thank you for sharing.

He died as a man, and was risen again by God/Yahavah.

At least that is founded somewhere in the Bible.

But there was a progression.

Once all things where placed underneath the feet of Jesus, Jesus would give everything back to God so God is all in all.

There is also a scene in Revelation 3,4.

I won't try to lead you to a different understanding. You are convinced in your own mind. As is his will.

Blessings abide your journey.

 

[David Lamb]

Thank you for sharing.

He died as a man, and was risen again by God/Yahavah.

At least that is founded somewhere in the Bible.

But there was a progression.

Once all things where placed underneath the feet of Jesus, Jesus would give everything back to God so God is all in all.

There is also a scene in Revelation 3,4.

Jesus said something rather different:

“17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 “No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”” (Joh 10:17-18 NKJV)

 

[MatthewG]

Jesus said something rather different:

“17 “Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again. 18 “No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father.”” (Joh 10:17-18 NKJV)

Hi David,

You still can’t get around what Paul stated.

The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.

Just people use one verse or another to justify their stances.

I’ve read the Gospels… sometimes you wonder if God is speaking through Yeshua the man, and therefore that is my conclusion.

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David,

You still can’t get around what Paul stated.

The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.

Just people use one verse or another to justify their stances.

I’ve read the Gospels… sometimes you wonder if God is speaking through Yeshua, and therefore that is my conclusion.

I am not trying to get around what Paul wrote. It is clear from Scripture that the whole Godhead was involved in the resurrection. Jesus, the Son, said He had the power to take up His life again. We have verses like this about God the Father raising Jesus:

““Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly,” (Ac 10:40 NKJV)

Thirdly, there are verses such as the one you quote, which show that the Holy Spirit was involved in the resurrection. As all the verses are in God's word, they must all be true.

 

[MatthewG]

I am not trying to get around what Paul wrote. It is clear from Scripture that the whole Godhead was involved in the resurrection. Jesus, the Son, said He had the power to take up His life again. We have verses like this about God the Father raising Jesus:

““Him God raised up on the third day, and showed Him openly,” (Ac 10:40 NKJV)

Thirdly, there are verses such as the one you quote, which show that the Holy Spirit was involved in the resurrection. As all the verses are in God's word, they must all be true.

Hey David,

Yep. You also have the progression of where Jesus becomes glorified again with his Father, as the Lord God Almighty.

Did you know that? I don't think most people know that or have really studied it.

 

[David Lamb]

Hey David,

Yep. You also have the progression of where Jesus becomes glorified again with his Father, as the Lord God Almighty.

Did you know that? I don't think most people know that or have really studied it.

I am not sure what you mean by the progression of Jesus being glorified. We do have various passages talking about His glorification, and saying that He sits at His Father's right hand.

““The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified His Servant Jesus, whom you delivered up and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let [Him] go.” (Ac 3:13 NKJV)

““Hereafter the Son of Man will sit on the right hand of the power of God.”” (Lu 22:69 NKJV)

“34 “For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he says himself: ‘The LORD said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, 35 Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.”’” (Ac 2:34-35 NKJV)

 

[MatthewG]

Hi David,

No worries at all—I'm happy to explain.

I find great joy in sharing scripture and exchanging ideas with others. My intention isn’t to challenge or change anyone’s beliefs, but rather to highlight a progression that exists within the biblical narrative—one that many may not be aware of, or may believe has already fully come to pass.

At one point, Paul writes: “For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.” I personally believe that all things—including death, Satan, hell, and sin—have been placed under His feet.

However, Paul also speaks of a progression, saying: “The last enemy to be destroyed is death.” And later: “For he ‘has put everything under his feet.’ Now when it says that ‘everything’ has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.”

Following that, Paul adds: “When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.”

This illustrates a significant spiritual progression that the Lord Yeshua underwent.

Furthermore, Revelation 3:21 states: “To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.”

Then, in Revelation 4, we see a shift—there is no longer another seated at the right hand; rather, only one is on the throne, referred to as LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. I understand this as Yahavah, with His Son having become one with Him.

As it once was before in the beginning when Yeshua was priorly the Word which Yahavah had spoken, and light was created.

 

[David Lamb]

Hi David,

No worries at all—I'm happy to explain.

I find great joy in sharing scripture and exchanging ideas with others. My intention isn’t to challenge or change anyone’s beliefs, but rather to highlight a progression that exists within the biblical narrative—one that many may not be aware of, or may believe has already fully come to pass.

At one point, Paul writes: “For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.” I personally believe that all things—including death, Satan, hell, and sin—have been placed under His feet.

However, Paul also speaks of a progression, saying: “The last enemy to be destroyed is death.” And later: “For he ‘has put everything under his feet.’ Now when it says that ‘everything’ has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.”

Following that, Paul adds: “When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.”

This illustrates a significant spiritual progression that the Lord Yeshua underwent.

Furthermore, Revelation 3:21 states: “To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.”

Then, in Revelation 4, we see a shift—there is no longer another seated at the right hand; rather, only one is on the throne, referred to as LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. I understand this as Yahavah, with His Son having become one with Him.

As it once was before in the beginning when Yeshua was priorly the Word which Yahavah had spoken, and light was created.

Thank you for explaining. That is much clearer now.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Most of the time it's always 100% god and 100% man idea. That number combined is 200%.

I am just sharing my perspective using scripture, whether people agree or not.

Because Jesus as a man had to overcome his flesh, and then his was glorified and given the right to sit with his Father.

The Word of God was glorified in the Old Testament, however that Word became a man, in the Apostolic Record.

Jesus as a man spoke saying "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."

Go and see Revelation 3, 4.

Glorified as promised becoming the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. (The only time this phrase is used in the Apostolic Record is found in Revelation.)


You can say, no, but I've given the benefit of why I do, using scripture.

Be it wrong or right to you in your own mind.

Matthew, it does not follow that the phrase you referred to, the glorification of the "Lord God Almighty," being found exclusively in Revelation means that Jesus had not been the "Lord God Almighty" from the beginning. Nor, does 200% mean that Jesus added to his original Deity.

What is true about your claim is that Jesus had to do things as a man that fulfilled what God called him to do and was not done from the beginning. He had to die in order to forgive our sins.

Jesus' glorification was indeed a Divine certification of His own work from the beginning in a new form designed to redeem man. As such, Jesus was God made flesh to redeem us from sins that had to be covered by God by His determined means.

This capacity was latent with God from the beginning, but had to be enacted in time to bring about our redemption. This did not make Jesus more "God," and did not make him some kind of new "Lord God Almighty."

His "glorification" was the means of our own glorification, enabling us to be re-created as immortals. "Glorification" did not refer to any change in who God was and is. It was a change made on behalf of humanity, who needed to transcend our mortality in order to become sinless.

Jesus, however, had already been sinless. And he had been immortal as God, before his incarnation.

What this did was complete God's intended prophetic purpose from the beginning without adding or changing His Deity. It was a new work, established from ancient times, potentially and prophetically.

I'm not sure why you wish to make this a change in Trinitarian doctrine, but it does seem to deny the definition of God as an Eternal, unchanging Being?

 

[MatthewG]

Matthew, it does not follow that the phrase you referred to, the glorification of the "Lord God Almighty," being found exclusively in Revelation means that Jesus had not been the "Lord God Almighty" from the beginning. Nor, does 200% mean that Jesus added to his original Deity.

What is true about your claim is that Jesus had to do things as a man that fulfilled what God called him to do and was not done from the beginning. He had to die in order to forgive our sins.

Jesus' glorification was indeed a Divine certification of His own work from the beginning in a new form designed to redeem man. As such, Jesus was God made flesh to redeem us from sins that had to be covered by God by His determined means.

This capacity was latent with God from the beginning, but had to be enacted in time to bring about our redemption. This did not make Jesus more "God," and did not make him some kind of new "Lord God Almighty."

His "glorification" was the means of our own glorification, enabling us to be re-created as immortals. "Glorification" did not refer to any change in who God was and is. It was a change made on behalf of humanity, who needed to transcend our mortality in order to become sinless.

Jesus, however, had already been sinless. And he had been immortal as God, before his incarnation.

What this did was complete God's intended prophetic purpose from the beginning without adding or changing His Deity. It was a new work, established from ancient times, potentially and prophetically.

I'm not sure why you wish to make this a change in Trinitarian doctrine, but it does seem to deny the definition of God as an Eternal, unchanging Being?

Randy,

I’ve simply presented what the Bible states. Agreement isn’t required—everyone is entitled to form their own views. As Paul writes in Romans 14:5, “Let each be fully convinced in his own mind.”

Personally, I have no reservations about what I've shared. That said, I recognize that others may interpret or respond to it differently, and many likely do.

 

[pandaflower]

Hey David,

Yep. You also have the progression of where Jesus becomes glorified again with his Father, as the Lord God Almighty.

Did you know that? I don't think most people know that or have really studied it.

If Jesus becomes glorified again with his father as the Lord God Almighty,is it then a contradiction for someone to insist Jesus was not the father made flesh?

 

[MatthewG]

If Jesus becomes glorified again with his father as the Lord God Almighty,is it then a contradiction for someone to insist Jesus was not the father made flesh?

Hi Pandaflower,

“The Word of God became flesh, manifested in the person of Yeshua. Though He experienced temptation, Yeshua did not fall into sin, for the Father in heaven provided divine support. Scripture affirms that Yahavah—God—is not susceptible to temptation. As the book of James emphasizes: ‘When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.’ (James 1:13)

This perspective reflects my personal understanding, and while it may be firm, it is shared with humility. Others are welcome to agree or disagree—I hold it not as a point of division but of reflection, always mindful to avoid any notion that contradicts reverence or truth.”

 

[pandaflower]

Hi Pandaflower,

“The Word of God became flesh, manifested in the person of Yeshua. Though He experienced temptation, Yeshua did not fall into sin, for the Father in heaven provided divine support. Scripture affirms that Yahavah—God—is not susceptible to temptation. As the book of James emphasizes: ‘When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone.’ (James 1:13)

This perspective reflects my personal understanding, and while it may be firm, it is shared with humility. Others are welcome to agree or disagree—I hold it not as a point of division but of reflection, always mindful to avoid any notion that contradicts reverence or truth.”

I appreciate your candor. For me, God's word is clear.

When God is not a man, and there is no savior besides God, Jesus,prophesied as God with us,in both old and new testaments, is precisely what he promised in future. And manifest in first century. God,made flesh.

 

[MatthewG]

I appreciate your candor. For me, God's word is clear.

When God is not a man, and there is no savior besides God, Jesus,prophesied as God with us,in both old and new testaments, is precisely what he promised in future. And manifest in first century. God,made flesh.

Hello Panda,

I wholeheartedly affirm that the Word of God was made flesh. God was indeed present among His people—and I believe He continues to dwell within us today, in our hearts.

We are continually reminded by the Spirit of Christ to walk in forgiveness, to release bitterness, and to refrain from hostility or strife. These virtues are rooted in the teachings and example of Yeshua the Messiah, who, I believe, lives within us and guides us daily through His Spirit.

Thank you for some of your own thoughts.