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That is another one from you.

Sounds like your cult does not like my sound Biblical perspective.

Oh well.
You’re free to believe how you want? I just notice how you revert back after asserting you’re from a tribe.

I’m just being blunt, sorry if that is not cool with you, personally.

I’m not judging you or saying your not of the faith, just commenting on what you have shared.

Sorry if you find it offensive.
 

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You’re free to believe how you want? I just notice how you revert back after asserting you’re from a tribe.

I’m just being blunt, sorry if that is not cool with you, personally.

I’m not judging you or saying your not of the faith, just commenting on what you have shared.

Sorry if you find it offensive.
I do not find it offensive personally.

I simply find what you scoop onto my plate to be false doctrine.
You want it?
You can have it.

I just do not eat it.

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Hmmmmmm...
What are sect are you learning from?
This forum seems to be a gathering place for them.


There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there
male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:
The old has gone, the new has come!
2 Corinthians 5:17​


Those verses are not accepted by your sect???​

LOVE those verses = all TRUE

We worship at the Temple described below: Ephesians 2:11-22

11Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.
 

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LOVE those verses = all TRUE

We worship at the Temple described below: Ephesians 2:11-22

11Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands— 12that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, 15having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, 16and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. 17And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. 18For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 21in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 22in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

I notice that some here who fall into the same line of reasoning, as you do, wishes not to say what sect it is you follow.

"We just read the Bible."

But others, who also read the Bible?
They do not come to the same consensus as a certain group who gathers here does.

It almost borders on Jehovah Witnesses on one hand, and Dominion theology in another way.

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I do not find it offensive personally.

I simply find what you scoop onto my plate to be false doctrine.
You want it?
You can have it.

I just do not eat it.

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Hi GeneZ,

I understand that my beliefs might seem a bit different from yours—and that's okay. I truly appreciate the beauty of diverse faith perspectives.

I personally hold to the belief that Jesus has already returned, and I openly stand by that. But that doesn’t make us any less united in the Kingdom of God. Like Paul says, each of us will have a unique and glorious spiritual body, and I trust that truth applies to all who walk in faith.

No matter our differences, may you be encouraged and continue growing in your journey with God.
 

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Hi GeneZ,

I understand that my beliefs might seem a bit different from yours—and that's okay. I truly appreciate the beauty of diverse faith perspectives.

I personally hold to the belief that Jesus has already returned, and I openly stand by that. But that doesn’t make us any less united in the Kingdom of God. Like Paul says, each of us will have a unique and glorious spiritual body, and I trust that truth applies to all who walk in faith.

No matter our differences, may you be encouraged and continue growing in your journey with God.
Go ahead.
Keep believing what you want.

But, keep in mind.
Only a few will glorify Christ.
Jesus said so...
Many will not.
And, He said the way not to glorify Him is diverse, wide, and plentiful.

But?

If what you wish to believe turns your gears?
I ain't going to stick my fingers in them.


"For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Tim 4:3


“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road
that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
Mat 7:13


Someone invented it.
And, you found it, and it sounded good to your ears.
Freedom allows for it.
It is why certain Catholics enjoy worshipping Mary and using the Rosary.
It suits their own desires.


In the mean while?
Enjoy the friends you make and bond over it.
 

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Go ahead.
Keep believing what you want.

But, keep in mind.
Only a few will glorify Christ.
Jesus said so...
Many will not.
And, He said the way not to glorify Him is diverse, wide, and plentiful.

But?

If what you wish to believe turns your gears?
I ain't going to stick my fingers in them.


"For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great
number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2 Tim 4:3​
Quoting the scripture doesn’t make a difference when Jesus was coming shortly in Revelation though? This is the stand point I stand from.

You don’t have to agree with it, it’s just there.


“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road
that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.
Mat 7:13​
Jesus proclaimed he is the gate, and he is the only way to the Father.


Someone invented it.
And, you found it, and it sounded good to your ears.
Freedom allows for it.
It is why certain Catholics enjoy worshipping Mary and using the Rosary.
It suits their own desires.


In the mean while?
Enjoy the friends you make and bond over it.

Don’t see your point in all honesty. It just seems you disagree with what I share concerning what I believe faithfully happened in that day in Age.


Where the spirit of the Lord is there is freedom, and the spirit of the Lord lives in those whom choose to have faith in him.


Just having differing views doesn’t mean we can’t be reasonable. When I mentioned the 144,000 already being taken, and that Jesus had came and got them as promised.

Just seems like a problem for you personally.

I don’t know if I am right or wrong about what you are presenting because it seems that you are totally against it completely — and that’s okay.

Yet that isn’t what gets me to have a relationship with Yahavah/God in the first place.

It’s faith. And that is in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Which we become adopted by God into his Kingdom, and he writes on hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit / spirit of Christ which lives in our hearts.
 
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Jesus has not returned yet this is against scripture! I cannot believe what i see on this thread.
 
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Eh. You get used to it.
Anyone know what cult believes this?

It does not shake my faith in God's Word.
Just find it absurd how anyone could want to believe it.

Some are just rebellious by nature, and when not controlled by the Spirit,
will grab onto something that they know is contrary, just to get a rise out
of upsetting simple-minded rigid thinking Christians whom they dislike.
 

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Anyone know what cult believes this?
Full preterist eschatology. In our Disciple Bible Study "Read the whole Bible in One Year" program, the study guide used a preterist to write the section on Revelation. This was at the time when LaHaye and Jenkins' Left Behind series was the talk of Evangelicalism, and frankly, I was shocked. I had never run across the preterist interpretive framework before. Most of the big names in Evangelicalism at the time were dispensationalists.

I ran into preterism again when my Sunday School class used Craig Hill's In God's Time as our study book (it was on a list of books recommended by some Methodist committee). I found it interesting, but our leader preferred to study something that had real-life application to our walk with Christ and dropped it after a week or two in favor of some Beth Moore study.

Disclaimer: I understand what preterism (and partial preterism) is. But this does NOT mean that I hold to it myself.
 
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Full preterist eschatology. In our Disciple Bible Study "Read the whole Bible in One Year" program, the study guide used a preterist to write the section on Revelation. This was at when LeHaye and Jenkins' Left Behind series was the talk of Evangelicalism, and frankly, I was shocked. I had never run across the preterist interpretive framework before. Most of the big names in Evangelicalism were dispensationalists.

I ran into preterism again when my Sunday School class used Craig Hill's In God's Time as our study book (as recommended by some Methodist committee). I found it interesting, but our leader preferred to study something that had real-life application to our walk with Christ and dropped it after a week or two in favor of some Beth Moore book.

This man scares them because he knows Greek and Hebrew with great accuracy. He will reveal nuances that are at times amazing to realize, that English translations will be too superficial to grasp the intended thought of the writer.

R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries | Home


grace and peace.....
 

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It would not be a problem if you can show me with Scripture where and when that took place.
Hello Genez,

It calls to mind the occasions when individuals asked Jesus for a sign, yet He responded by offering only the sign of the prophet Jonah. I am convinced that this sign found its fulfillment during the destruction of Jerusalem, and I adhere to that understanding through faith alone.

That’s perfectly acceptable. Yahavah does not require empirical proof—He is pleased by faith. While I may not possess tangible evidence, I hold firm in my belief. It is the sincerity of that faith that carries significance.



However, I am going to stop here from responding anymore as this is @LoveYeshua thread, and its not right for me to overtake it sometimes I get careless, cause of passion.
 

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Anyone know what cult believes this?
Here's a link to MatthewG's source: TGNN. This is just one of several websites this organization runs.

Is it a cult? It has several aspects that raise red flags to me.
  • It has one man (Shawn McCraney) who determines the organization's theology.
  • It promotes an unusual eschatology (Fully-realized preterism).
  • Another distinctive is an insistence on using the Hebrew names for God ("Yehava") and Jesus ("Yeshua"), and the anglicization of the Tetragrammaton is not the generally accepted "Yahweh" or even the KJV-approved "Jehovah".
@MatthewG, you're a grown-up and I'm nobody's dad and you're going to do what you want anyway, but please be careful with this McCraney guy. Beware of gurus. They'll steal your freedom.
 

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Think of it this way, God raised up a people from out of this world that he would claim as his own and through them reach all others, The house of Israel was the basic foundation, through them Jesus came and he redeemed the entire world back to God. The Jews still remain Gods personal nation for all eternity but the saints that come to Christ from the gentile nations are added on and remain under the Lordship of Christ even if redeemed back to God.
 

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Anyone know what cult believes this?

It does not shake my faith in God's Word.
Just find it absurd how anyone could want to believe it.

Some are just rebellious by nature, and when not controlled by the Spirit,
will grab onto something that they know is contrary, just to get a rise out
of upsetting simple-minded rigid thinking Christians whom they dislike.
My faith in Christ is unshakable, What he said is 100% certain, it is why i follow only Him and No one else. I have heard this only once before, people think jesus came around 70 AD then Jerusalem was destroyed, it just conforms that the prophecy of Jesus was accurate and certain about the temple that not one stone would be left upturned and as predicted it happened. it is evident from scripture that Jesus return would be at the end times and also every eye would see him. this clearly has not happened

Jesus' own words about His return make it clear that His coming will be a visible, dramatic event. In Matthew 24:29-31, He says, "Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." This event will be visible to all people, not something hidden or secret.

In Matthew 24:36-39, Jesus compares His return to the days of Noah, saying, "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be." His return will be sudden and disrupt the normal course of life, a clear event that no one can miss.

In Luke 17:24-26, He says, "For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day. But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation. And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man." His return will be as visible as lightning, visible to everyone from one end of heaven to the other.

In Acts 1:9-11, when Jesus ascended into heaven, two men in white apparel said to the disciples, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven." Just as Jesus ascended visibly, so He will return in a similar manner. This contradicts any idea of a hidden or spiritualized return.

Revelation 1:7 says, "Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen." Every eye will see Jesus when He returns, indicating that His return will not be a secret or hidden event.

Matthew 25:31-32 describes the return of Jesus as a time when "all the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats." This judgment will involve all nations and is not a quiet or hidden event.

In Revelation 19:11-16, we see a vivid portrayal of Jesus’ return on a white horse: "Now I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse. And He who sat on him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He judges and makes war. His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself. He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses. Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS." His return will be public, glorious, and full of power, bringing judgment on the nations.

In Matthew 24:23-26, Jesus warns, "Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it." If someone claims Jesus has already returned in some hidden or isolated place, this is a clear sign of false teaching. His return will not be a matter of seeking Him in hidden places but will be visible to all.
 

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Full preterist eschatology. In our Disciple Bible Study "Read the whole Bible in One Year" program, the study guide used a preterist to write the section on Revelation. This was at when LaHaye and Jenkins' Left Behind series was the talk of Evangelicalism, and frankly, I was shocked. I had never run across the preterist interpretive framework before. Most of the big names in Evangelicalism at the time were dispensationalists.

I ran into preterism again when my Sunday School class used Craig Hill's In God's Time as our study book (it was on a list of books recommended by some Methodist committee). I found it interesting, but our leader preferred to study something that had real-life application to our walk with Christ and dropped it after a week or two in favor of some Beth Moore study.

Disclaimer: I understand what preterism (and partial preterism) is. But this does NOT mean that I hold to it myself.
i followed the link this is unbelevable, they say sin is finished, on the contrary it is on the rise in an exponential fashion!

On Boy we are indeed in the end times where people no longer follow sound doctrine but prefer fairy tales!
 

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This man scares them because he knows Greek and Hebrew with great accuracy. He will reveal nuances that are at times amazing to realize, that English translations will be too superficial to grasp the intended thought of the writer.

R. B. Thieme, Jr., Bible Ministries | Home


grace and peace.....
If only they would let the Holy Spirit guide them, they could know the truth, How unfortunate.

Peace brother.
 

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Quoting the scripture doesn’t make a difference when Jesus was coming shortly in Revelation though? This is the stand point I stand from.

You don’t have to agree with it, it’s just there.

Jesus proclaimed he is the gate, and he is the only way to the Father.


Don’t see your point in all honesty. It just seems you disagree with what I share concerning what I believe faithfully happened in that day in Age.


Where the spirit of the Lord is there is freedom, and the spirit of the Lord lives in those whom choose to have faith in him.


Just having differing views doesn’t mean we can’t be reasonable. When I mentioned the 144,000 already being taken, and that Jesus had came and got them as promised.

Just seems like a problem for you personally.

I don’t know if I am right or wrong about what you are presenting because it seems that you are totally against it completely — and that’s okay.

Yet that isn’t what gets me to have a relationship with Yahavah/God in the first place.

It’s faith. And that is in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus. Which we become adopted by God into his Kingdom, and he writes on hearts and minds by the Holy Spirit / spirit of Christ which lives in our hearts.
Matthew, you have been mislead with a mixture of truth and lies, rely on the Holy Spirit to guide you not the words of men.

the time set for Jesus second return has not happened yet, all prophecy link Jesus second return with the end times, we are now at the beginning of this end times but things will get much much worse from now on and eventually Christ will come and cleanse the world of sin and implement the Kingdom of heaven on earth but this has nor happened it is evident.

I am here if you want to discuss but I am certain of what i say here just trying to help you not yo fall in the traps placed before you.

Peace.