Who Are God’s Chosen People?

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Oh, I agree that even deceived brethren at the end of this world may... be saved during Christ's future "thousand years" reign with His elect. Christ's Millennial reign is going to be like a correctional facility camp for many brethren who will be deceived at the end of this world. But once again, those brethren that will be deceived confirms the idea of their 'called' only status.
Please?

Please, stop imagining what you want it to be.

READ please....

And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified;
those he justified, he also glorified.

Do you see it?

"those he called, he also justified."

Do you believe that God justifies unsaved people?
No.. only the saved he declares justified!



And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified;
those he justified, he also glorified.
Many are saved.

But, only a few of the many, have been
chosen to reign with Him!

grace and peace....
 
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Nah, let's not go back to what YOU only care to address, which is only a specific group of Scripture, and not really The Bible as a Whole.

Address the 2 Thess.2 subject by Paul, if you want to address something about those 'chosen', and WHY... many brethren fail to understand Paul was warning about the coming of the SAME false one that Lord Jesus warned of in Matthew 24:23-26 for the END of this world. Whether or not one understands that subject reveals whether or not they are chosen, or just called and can still fall away.
As long as you put Paul above Christ there is nothing much I can do for you but I will address since you ask. it is my parting gift to you and a rebuke as well as I must since I follow Christ;

You say, “Address 2 Thessalonians 2 if you want to speak of the chosen,” as if Paul’s letter is the final word. But have you forgotten that the chosen are known by their obedience to the words of Christ, not Paul? The Master Himself said, “My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me” (John 10:27). If one builds their foundation on Paul while neglecting the Chief Cornerstone, then the house is already falling.

Jesus warned us of many false ones who would come, yes—but He did not say that understanding prophecy proves someone is chosen. He said, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed” (John 8:31). And He also warned that even those who cry, “Lord, Lord,” will be rejected if they practice lawlessness (Matthew 7:21-23). So the test of being chosen is not prophecy knowledge—it is whether one does the will of the Father.

You claim Paul warned of the same false Christ Jesus spoke of—and that is true. But Jesus did not leave us in darkness. He gave clear instructions: “See, I have told you beforehand” (Matthew 24:25). He said to endure, to watch, to not follow signs and wonders blindly, and to remain faithful. Never once did He say, “You must understand Paul to be saved.” Rather, He said, “He who hears My sayings and does them is like a wise man who built his house on the rock” (Matthew 7:24). You are not told to build on Paul’s gospel, but on Christ’s!.

When you speak of the “chosen” as if they are identified by their agreement with Paul’s interpretation, you are in danger of exalting the servant above the Master. Jesus said, “A disciple is not above his teacher” (Luke 6:40). And when the disciples asked for signs of the end, Jesus answered them directly—not Paul. Are His words not sufficient?

Jesus gave us everything we need to know about the end times in Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 21. He spoke clearly. He warned plainly. And He gave no hint that understanding the writings of a future apostle would determine who was truly chosen.

He also warned of another danger: “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees” (Luke 12:1). And what is this leaven? It is the twisting of Scripture to create burdens too heavy for men to bear. The chosen are not those who pass secret doctrinal tests, but those who obey the Shepherd’s voice, love the truth, and endure to the end (Matthew 24:13).

So I ask: whose voice do you follow? Is it Jesus, or is it another? Obviously you follow another.

He said plainly, “Why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say?” (Luke 6:46). Let us return to Him, and Him alone, for He is the way, the truth, and the life—and no one comes to the Father except through Him (John 14:6).

We should Let every teacher be silent, and let the words of Christ be lifted up.
 

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Chosen for Salvation its all whom God chose in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

And these will hear the Gospel of thir Salvation and believe Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 

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Hello @LoveYeshua,

It is not possible for anyone today to definitively claim membership in one of the twelve tribes of Israel. This is due to the loss of genealogical records, which were destroyed when Jerusalem fell and was consumed by fire as part of divine judgment. Without those records, tribal affiliation cannot be verified. Furthermore, I believe that the economy of the believer is rooted in the heavenly realm, not in Abrahamic lineage.

I'm also a person who believes that Revelation came to fruition as promised shortly within that context, and content.
I totally agree with what you say! As for the lost tribes, GOD knows where they are!

Jeremiah 16:14–15 (NKJV)
“Therefore behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord, “that it shall no more be said, ‘The Lord lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,’ but, ‘The Lord lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.’ For I will bring them back into their land which I gave to their fathers.”

Jeremiah 31:10 (NKJV)
“Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, ‘He who scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him as a shepherd does his flock.’”

Ezekiel 11:16–17 (NKJV)
“Although I have cast them far off among the Gentiles, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet I shall be a little sanctuary for them in the countries where they have gone.” Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I will gather you from the peoples, assemble you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.”’

Isaiah 11:11–12 (NKJV)
“It shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people… He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”

Amos 9:9 (NKJV)
“For surely I will command, and will sift the house of Israel among all nations, as grain is sifted in a sieve; yet not the smallest grain shall fall to the ground.”

All this will happen soon.

Blessings!
 

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I totally agree with what you say! As for the lost tribes, GOD knows where they are!

Jeremiah 16:14–15 (NKJV)
“Therefore behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord, “that it shall no more be said, ‘The Lord lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of Egypt,’ but, ‘The Lord lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.’ For I will bring them back into their land which I gave to their fathers.”

Jeremiah 31:10 (NKJV)
“Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, ‘He who scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him as a shepherd does his flock.’”

Ezekiel 11:16–17 (NKJV)
“Although I have cast them far off among the Gentiles, and although I have scattered them among the countries, yet I shall be a little sanctuary for them in the countries where they have gone.” Therefore say, ‘Thus says the Lord God: “I will gather you from the peoples, assemble you from the countries where you have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.”’

Isaiah 11:11–12 (NKJV)
“It shall come to pass in that day that the Lord shall set His hand again the second time to recover the remnant of His people… He will set up a banner for the nations, and will assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.”

Amos 9:9 (NKJV)
“For surely I will command, and will sift the house of Israel among all nations, as grain is sifted in a sieve; yet not the smallest grain shall fall to the ground.”

All this will happen soon.

Blessings!


Why does those things matter to you, when it's of faith which God/Yahavah is pleased.

I do not understand. ???
 

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Chosen for Salvation its all whom God chose in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

And these will hear the Gospel of thir Salvation and believe Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
The idea of predestination, specially as it is used to teach that God unconditionally chooses who will be saved or lost, comes almost entirely from Paul. It is not taught by Jesus, and it is not found in the Old Testament in the way Paul presents it.
 

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Why does those things matter to you, when it's of faith which God/Yahavah is pleased.

I do not understand. ???
what I am trying to say here is that many are from the lost tribes that is all, at the end it will be as you said, the lost tribes plus the faithful, it has an element of importance for the 144000

The 144,000 represent the firstfruits of God's redeemed people, gathered from both faithful Israel and those grafted in, as Jesus taught.
They are not defined by bloodline, but by obedience and purity. They are redeemed from the earth, meaning they are alive at the time of the end, having overcome through faith and truth. They are likely the same group described in other prophetic texts as the remnant of Israel (Isaiah 10:20–22, Micah 5:7–8).

it is just interesting to know iI guess.
 
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Who Are God’s Chosen People?

From the beginning of the sacred record, the voice of God declared His purpose upon the earth—to raise up a people who would carry His name, walk in His ways, and shine His light into a world of darkness. The question of who these people are—God’s chosen—echoes through every book of the Bible, a thread woven through covenant, prophecy, judgment, mercy, and ultimate redemption. The answer is not found in ancestry alone, but in obedience, repentance, and love for the Holy One of Israel.

In the days of Abraham, the Lord made a promise, one that would change the course of human history. “Get out of your country, from your family and from your father’s house, to a land that I will show you. I will make you a great nation… and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed” (Genesis 12:1–3). This covenant, made with one man, carried within it a vision for all mankind. It was renewed with Isaac and Jacob, and from Jacob’s sons the twelve tribes of Israel were born. God revealed Himself to this people not because they were mighty, but because He chose to love them and to keep the promise He made to their fathers. “The Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself… because the Lord loves you, and because He would keep the oath which He swore to your fathers” (Deuteronomy 7:6–8).


Israel was not merely to receive blessings, but to become a blessing. They were called to be “a kingdom of priests and a holy nation” (Exodus 19:6). They were given the Torah, the commandments of life, and invited into a covenant of holiness. Yet time and again, the people turned their backs on the Lord who brought them out of Egypt with signs and wonders. They chose idols over the living God, injustice over mercy, rebellion over obedience. The prophets were sent, not with soft words, but with cries of anguish and fire. Isaiah declared, “I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against Me… The whole head is sick, and the whole heart faints” (Isaiah 1:2,5). The sin of the people pierced the heart of the prophets. Jeremiah wept, crying, “O Jerusalem, wash your heart from wickedness, that you may be saved. How long shall your evil thoughts lodge within you?” (Jeremiah 4:14). And yet, the Lord’s mercy did not fail.

The choosing of Israel was not a blind favoritism—it was a covenant of responsibility. With privilege came expectation, and with expectation came judgment when they failed. But the Lord, slow to anger and abounding in steadfast love, always left a remnant. He declared through Isaiah, “Unless the Lord of hosts had left to us a very small remnant, we would have become like Sodom” (Isaiah 1:9). Over and over, God promised that though many would fall, a faithful few would remain. “The remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob, to the Mighty God” (Isaiah 10:21). These were not defined by blood alone, but by repentance, by justice, by faithfulness to God’s covenant.

Ezekiel was shown a vision of this purifying work. The Lord said, “I will take you from among the nations, gather you out of all countries, and bring you into your own land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean… I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you” (Ezekiel 36:24–26). This was not mere restoration of land, but transformation of the heart. The chosen would be those who had been washed, who walked in His statutes and kept His commandments—not by force, but by love.

The prophet Micah asked, “What does the Lord require of you but to do justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God?” (Micah 6:8). The chosen were always intended to reflect God’s character, to live as a light to the nations, not just in temple rituals but in justice, truth, and mercy. Hosea showed the heartbreak of God as a husband betrayed. Yet even in betrayal, the Lord said, “I will allure her, bring her into the wilderness, and speak comfort to her… I will betroth you to Me forever in righteousness and justice, in lovingkindness and mercy” (Hosea 2:14,19).

Then came the fullness of time. The Son of God, born in the flesh, came to His own people—Israel. He came not with sword, but with truth; not to destroy the Law, but to fulfill it. He declared plainly, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 15:24). This was not favoritism, but faithfulness—God had made promises to the fathers, and the covenant was to be offered to their children first. The message of repentance and the call to the Kingdom were extended to the descendants of Abraham because the foundation of all that God had spoken was rooted in their history. Yet Jesus also made it clear that the mercy of God would not be withheld from others. He healed the Canaanite woman’s daughter, praised the faith of a Roman centurion, and revealed to a Samaritan woman that the time was coming when true worship would no longer be tied to place or people, but to spirit and truth. His coming to Israel first was the beginning, not the end. The flock would soon expand. “Other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring,” He said, “and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one Shepherd” (John 10:16). Though He longed to gather His own people, He saw their hardness. He stood before the holy city and wept, “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem… how often I wanted to gather your children together… but you were not willing!” (Matthew 23:37). The tragedy was not that they were not chosen, but that they refused to walk as God’s chosen. Yet even their rejection would open a door for the nations, so that the remnant of Israel and the faithful from every tribe and tongue could become one people under heaven—those who hear His voice, follow His ways, and live by His Word.

Jesus reached beyond the borders. He spoke of other sheep not of this fold, saying, “Them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one Shepherd” (John 10:16). This was the mystery the prophets foresaw—that gentiles would join themselves to the Lord, not as second-class members, but as one people with Israel, united by obedience and faith. Isaiah had thundered long before: “Let not the son of the foreigner… say, ‘The Lord has utterly separated me from His people.’” For the Lord says, “Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, and holds fast My covenant—even them I will bring to My holy mountain” (Isaiah 56:3,6–7). This is the true chosen: those who love the Lord, keep His covenant, and follow His Son.

In the end, the book of Revelation reveals what the prophets and Christ declared all along. God's chosen are not merely a bloodline but a faithful remnant drawn from all nations, purified through trial, and sealed by God. First, we see 144,000 from the tribes of Israel, sealed on their foreheads as servants of God (Revelation 7:3–8). But then, immediately, a vast multitude appears—“of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne… clothed with white robes” (Revelation 7:9). Who are they? “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb” (Revelation 7:14). They are the faithful. They are the chosen. They are those who endured, who obeyed, who followed the Shepherd wherever He went.

At the very end, the New Jerusalem comes down from heaven. Its gates are named for the twelve tribes, its foundations for the twelve apostles. This is not coincidence. It is prophecy fulfilled: one people, one covenant, one city for the faithful from Israel and the nations. Only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s Book of Life may enter (Revelation 21:27). This is the final choosing—not by bloodline, but by faithfulness.

Let no one trust in lineage. Let no one boast in flesh. The cry of the prophets still rings: “Return to Me, and I will return to you,” says the Lord of hosts (Malachi 3:7). The true chosen are those who fear the Lord, who hear His voice, and obey Him in truth and in spirit. They are few, but they are known by Him. “They shall be Mine,” says the Lord, “on the day that I make them My jewels” (Malachi 3:17). The choosing is still unfolding. The Shepherd still calls. Blessed are those who follow Him—these are the true Israel of God.

Blessings
Question: Who are God's chosen people?

Answer: The people whom God chooses
 
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what I am trying to say here is that many are from the lost tribes that is all, at the end it will be as you said, the lost tribes plus the faithful, it has an element of importance for the 144000

The 144,000 represent the firstfruits of God's redeemed people, gathered from both faithful Israel and those grafted in, as Jesus taught.
They are not defined by bloodline, but by obedience and purity. They are redeemed from the earth, meaning they are alive at the time of the end, having overcome through faith and truth. They are likely the same group described in other prophetic texts as the remnant of Israel (Isaiah 10:20–22, Micah 5:7–8).

it is just interesting to know iI guess.
Thank you for explaining, LY.

Does God pick and choose who are his today?

Or is God just looking at the heart at who want to be with him in the end?

I personally do not see predestined as a thing for anyone today.
 
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God did what he promised to do. I am not an antisemite.

Jewish people do Jewish things because it's part of their culture. I respect people whom claim they are Jewish, but no one can claim they are part of any 12 tribes, because as I posted in #58.

I am a born again Jew, sir.
I am a new creation in Christ and no longer a Jew, but remain a Jew by DNA only.
Just like all disciples and the first Church were.

Many more Jews than you realize, have also chosen for Christ.

Would you like to ask me any questions?
 

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Thank you for explaining, LY.

Does God pick and choose who are his today?

Or is God just looking at the heart at who want to be with him in the end?

I personally do not see predestined as a thing for anyone today.
all I have read from the bible is that God looks at the heart and tests us... the lord said
“Be holy, for I am holy.”
this is what he wants from those who love him.

Blessings.
 
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I am a born again Jew, sir.
I am a new creation in Christ and no longer a Jew, but remain a Jew by DNA only.
Just like all disciples and the first Church were.

Many more Jews than you realize, have also chosen for Christ.

Would you like to ask me any questions?
That’s wonderful. And great. I don’t have any questions for you at all.
 

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Hello @LoveYeshua,

It is not possible for anyone today to definitively claim membership in one of the twelve tribes of Israel. This is due to the loss of genealogical records, which were destroyed when Jerusalem fell and was consumed by fire as part of divine judgment. Without those records, tribal affiliation cannot be verified. Furthermore, I believe that the economy of the believer is rooted in the heavenly realm, not in Abrahamic lineage.

I'm also a person who believes that Revelation came to fruition as promised shortly within that context, and content.
Some Jewish people can know what tribe they are from by the last name they have.
For instance... My mother's maiden name revealed she was from the line of priests.

And, a Jewish man with the last name Cohen (Kohain) are indicated to be from that priestly line.


From Google AI search.​
Yes, the name Cohen (or Kohain, with variations in spelling) is associated with the priestly line in Judaism,
specifically the descendants of Aaron, Moses' brother. Kohanim are traditionally believed to be a subset of
the Tribe of Levi, and they held a specific role as priests in the Temple in Jerusalem.


More important.
God knows all things.
It is God who knows which Jew belongs with which tribe.
Man does not do the sorting out of the 144,000.

God does.
 
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Some Jewish people can know what tribe they are from by the last name they have.
For instance... My mother's maiden name revealed she was from the line of priests.

And, and Jewish man with the last name Cohen (Kohain) are also from that priestly line.



From Google AI search.​
Yes, the name Cohen (or Kohain, with variations in spelling) is associated with the priestly line in Judaism,
specifically the descendants of Aaron, Moses' brother. Kohanim are traditionally believed to be a subset of
the Tribe of Levi, and they held a specific role as priests in the Temple in Jerusalem.


More important.
God knows all things.
It is God who knows which Jew belongs with which tribe.
Man does not do the sorting out of the 144,000.

God does.
@GeneZ,

I regret that I may not meet your expectations regarding tribal identification. Personally, I do not believe it is possible to determine one's tribal lineage with certainty, as I understand that the genealogical records were destroyed during the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

While individuals may hold personal beliefs regarding descent from one of the original twelve tribes, I personally believe that God, for His own sovereign reasons, dissolved those tribes and their genealogical lines. Movements such as the Black Israelite Movement, which assert a special lineage as God’s chosen people, reflect the complexity and diversity of interpretations on this matter. Given the lack of verifiable lineage and the historical disruptions, I find it very difficult to confidently suggest that anyone today can trace their ancestry directly to those twelve tribes.
 

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@GeneZ,

I regret that I may not meet your expectations regarding tribal identification. Personally, I do not believe it is possible to determine one's tribal lineage with certainty, as I understand that the genealogical records were destroyed during the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD.

It is God who knows with certainty.
Omniscience is one of his attributes.

Therefore, there will be 144,000 chosen according to their tribes.

grace and peace .....
 
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It is God who knows with certainty.
Omniscience is one of his attributes.

Therefore, there will be 144,000 chosen according to their tribes.

grace and peace .....

Peace and grace, I believe those people were already taken. Thank you for the conversation.

I love how you go right to God only knows. Cause you do not have any proof in the first place.

Thank you for at least admitting that, Genez.
 

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I am a born again Jew, sir.
I am a new creation in Christ and no longer a Jew, but remain a Jew by DNA only.
Just like all disciples and the first Church were.

Many more Jews than you realize, have also chosen for Christ.

Would you like to ask me any questions?
SURPRISE SURPRISE = You remain a Jew = a FULFILLED Jew in MESSIAH

i am not jewish by the flesh, but i have been Born-Again, from Above = my Mother is New Jerusalem

my Mother is your Mother

my FATHER is your FATHER

We are no longer divided = God has brought us together in His SON to be One New Man in the Body of YAHshua HaMashiach
 
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SURPRISE SURPRISE = You remain a Jew = a FULFILLED Jew in MESSIAH

i am not jewish by the flesh, but i have been Born-Again, from Above = my Mother is New Jerusalem

my Mother is your Mother

my FATHER is your FATHER

We are no longer divided = God has brought us together in His SON to be One New Man in the Body of YAHshua HaMashiach

David,

That is right, that is what Paul expressed:
Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 
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Peace and grace, I believe those people were already taken. Thank you for the conversation.

I love how you go right to God only knows. Cause you do not have any proof in the first place.

Thank you for at least admitting that, Genez.
That is another one from you.

Sounds like your cult does not like my sound Biblical perspective.

Oh well.
 

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SURPRISE SURPRISE = You remain a Jew = a FULFILLED Jew in MESSIAH

Hmmmmmm...
What are sect are you learning from?
This forum seems to be a gathering place for them.


There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there
male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 3:28

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:
The old has gone, the new has come!
2 Corinthians 5:17​


Those verses are not accepted by your sect???​