Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[MatthewG]

This message

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).

Was a message to Timothy, whom was Jewish, and “Scripture” to him as someone Jewish, is naturally know as The Old Testament.

Just sayin.

 

[MatthewG]

Dear @LoveYeshua,

I’m genuinely curious — why did my post upset you?

Was it because I pointed out that the Old Testament laws were never intended for Gentiles?

Jesus primarily ministered to the Jewish people during his earthly mission, occasionally encountering Gentiles, but his main focus was the children of Israel.
This framework shapes how I interpret his teachings throughout the Gospels, particularly in Matthew, Luke, John, Mark.

Jesus wasn’t celebrated for his physical appearance, nor did he come to be admired externally.

He was a Jewish man who preached to a Jewish nation, revealing the fulfillment of the Old Testament prophecies and proclaiming the closing of that age.

Yet, many still struggle to accept that Jesus fulfilled the Law. He did — by loving God, loving humanity, and offering himself on the cross, even enduring the abandonment of the Father in that moment of profound spiritual suffering on behalf of all.

So what commandments are we called to keep now? The work of God is this: to believe in the One He sent and to love our neighbors as ourselves.

People are free to observe festivals, new moons, or the Mosaic law if they choose — but it’s important to recognize that the Law brought death. Let’s be honest: one violation often resulted in severe punishment.

That’s why I asked — did my post upset you because it was confronting? Or because it spoke truth?

The Ten Commandments reveal our sinfulness, but ultimately point us to Christ — the One who accomplished what we never could.

We don’t live by them because they were never to us, sure you can learn the results but we have jails and prisons and court judges to handle the cases.

We don’t just go stone to death the son whom is drunken and doesn’t help the family today.


Instead we live by the spirit, not the “letter.”

 

[Zao is life]

You quote 2 Timothy and Galatians, but these are the words of Paul, not Jesus. And while all Scripture is indeed inspired by God, Jesus warned that not all who use Scripture understand it rightly.

You are a false teacher of false doctrine. Jesus Himself appointed the apostles - including Paul - to establish His churches and His doctrine. And the following finger points to you:

He said, "You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God" (Matthew 22:29).

You contradict the words of Jesus who told you that you cannot do anything without the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus producing the fruit of the Spirit in you.

False teachers such as yourself always corrupt the meaning of scripture by leaving out words which Jesus and the apostles spoke to qualify what they were saying:

"22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." (1 John 3:23).

"28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." (John 6:28-29).

"12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." (John 15:10; 12-13).

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15). "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." (John 14:21).

Jesus said that the greatest commandment upon which all others are based is to love God with all of heart mind and soul and to love our neighbor we love our self - and the way Jesus always qualified what He said above about His disciples loving one another is also how Jesus qualified what He meant when He said He did not come to abolish the law but to FULFILL it. He described below how He was to FULFILL the law:

"13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13).

False teachers such as yourself will have the saints believe that the apostles' Jesus appointed to establish His churches and His doctrine taught a different doctrine to Him - and you came back so fast with your reply it's obvious you have saved it to copy and paste it the moment you have your false teaching corrected:

True understanding must come from what Jesus said, not what men later interpreted

Which is what you have done and are doing -interpreting what Jesus and His apostles taught later, second-guessing Jesus and His apostles whom He appointed.

And you have created a different religion for Gentiles and Jews.

Jesus never said that the commandments were a shadow, or that obeying them leads to death. In fact, He said the opposite. He said: “If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments” (Matthew 19:17).

And He knew that we cannot. That's why He gave only one commandment for those who believe Him and His doctrine to obey once He Himself had fulfilled the law and the ten commandments.

“Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill

By His own words Jesus qualified how He was to fulfill the law Himself - but you deny His qualification, or leave it out, which is always the mark of false teachers such as yourself.

Then you claim the apostles taught a different doctrine:

"8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." (Romans 13:9).

"17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (Matthew 5:17). "13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13).

You are a false teacher whose doctrine proves that you definitely do not love the real and only Yeshua the Son of God, but instead you love the Yeshua created in your own heart and mind,

and my prayer for those - whoever reads or hears any of your false doctrine - will understand that the ten commandments are a shadow and schoolmaster which will lead us to Christ because through the fact that we cannot obey them it convicts us of sin which leads to death

- because your doctrine seeks to undo for many what Christ has done for them on the cross - and as many as follow your doctrine, have fallen from grace and from Christ.

 

[LoveYeshua]

You are a false teacher of false doctrine. Jesus Himself appointed the apostles - including Paul - to establish His churches and His doctrine. And the following finger points to you:



You contradict the words of Jesus who told you that you cannot do anything without the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus producing the fruit of the Spirit in you.

False teachers such as yourself always corrupt the meaning of scripture by leaving out words which Jesus and the apostles spoke to qualify what they were saying:

"22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment." (1 John 3:23).

"28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." (John 6:28-29).

"12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you." (John 15:10; 12-13).

"If ye love me, keep my commandments." (John 14:15). "He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." (John 14:21).

Jesus said that the greatest commandment upon which all others are based is to love God with all of heart mind and soul and to love our neighbor we love our self - and the way Jesus always qualified what He said above about His disciples loving one another is also how Jesus qualified what He meant when He said He did not come to abolish the law but to FULFILL it. He described below how He was to FULFILL the law:

"13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13).

False teachers such as yourself will have the saints believe that the apostles' Jesus appointed to establish His churches and His doctrine taught a different doctrine to Him - and you came back so fast with your reply it's obvious you have saved it to copy and paste it the moment you have your false teaching corrected:



Which is what you have done and are doing -interpreting what Jesus and His apostles taught later, second-guessing Jesus and His apostles whom He appointed.

And you have created a different religion for Gentiles and Jews.



And He knew that we cannot. That's why He gave only one commandment for those who believe Him and His doctrine to obey once He Himself had fulfilled the law and the ten commandments.



By His own words Jesus qualified how He was to fulfill the law Himself - but you deny His qualification, or leave it out, which is always the mark of false teachers such as yourself.

Then you claim the apostles taught a different doctrine:

"8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law." (Romans 13:9).

"17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (Matthew 5:17). "13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." (John 15:13).

You are a false teacher whose doctrine proves that you definitely do not love the real and only Yeshua the Son of God, but instead you love the Yeshua created in your own heart and mind,

and my prayer for those - whoever reads or hears any of your false doctrine - will understand that the ten commandments are a shadow and schoolmaster which will lead us to Christ because through the fact that we cannot obey them it convicts us of sin which leads to death

- because your doctrine seeks to undo for many what Christ has done for them on the cross - and as many as follow your doctrine, have fallen from grace and from Christ.

No one has any authority to contradict Christ, it was Christ who received all authority in heaven and earth not Paul, do you think Christ changed his mind on what he said? NOT. I have given scripture that proves the commandments jesus gave us are valid and eternal but there is plenty more where that came from. it is certain the ten commandments that GOD defined as the covenant are still valid.

Also Jesus did not appoint Paul as an apostle, in reality Jesus rebuked paul severely , read again the words jesus said to Paul. find in scripture where paul is refered as an apostle by anyone else than himself, you wont be able to find any scripture of this.

As well it is Peter not Paul (ACTS 15:7)that was chosen to go to the gentiles by GOD.. What you say abour sacipture and myself is all false and you twist scripture Beyond recognition.

Believing only in Jesus and not doing what he asks his followers to do will not save you.

James 2:17-20;
17 Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
18 But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without [a]your works, and I will show you my faith by [b]my works. 19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble! 20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is [c]dead?

Matthew 5;
14 “You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do they light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a lampstand, and it gives light to all who are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

but I guess you have forgotten all this, unfortunate.

 

[David in NJ]

So the Lord is all good with gentiles, lying, stealing, doing adultery, murdering, etc, etc.
Only the OSAS heretics claim people can live in grievous sin before the Lord and still be saved.

They shall be shocked when the die someday and go south instead of north.

Too bad you don't know much about the New Testament not knowing the 10 commandments were included in the Law of Christ which is what we live under now - well, those that actually love the Lord and aren't playing carnal religious games

The bottom line is, if a person is born again and being led by the Holy Spirit they will keep the 10 Commandments and the sabbath is abiding IN Christ 24/7 and is not going to church on Saturday.

Too bad you don't know much about the New Testament not knowing the 10 commandments were included in the Law of Christ

@CTK

Where did CHRIST express, declare, command the 4th in His Gospel, as a MUST DO?

Apostles as well = where did they stress and/or declare the 4th as a MUST DO?

 

[Behold]

Many today question whether the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant. Some believe they were temporary, pointing to writings that describe the law as a ministry that brought death and condemnation.

Its Paul who wrote most of the NT Epistles and all the Church Doctrine who stated that the 10 Commandments are the "ministry of Death".

However, He is not saying they are not Holy.....He is simply stating that when you are not a Christian....then both the Law and the 10 Commandments are a curse to you, because they define you as a SINNER.
They can't do this to you, after you are born again, because "Christ has redeemed (the born again) from the curse of the Law".

Once you are converted, born again, then the 10 Commandments, remain for you, ONLY as a Lifestyle Boundary.......and we are to not step over the line they have drawn, because if we do, we will suffer.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Its Paul who wrote most of the NT Epistles and all the Church Doctrine who stated that the 10 Commandments are the "ministry of Death".

However, He is not saying they are not Holy.....He is simply stating that when you are not a Christian....then both the Law and the 10 Commandments are a curse to you, because they define you as a SINNER.
They can't do this to you, after you are born again, because "Christ has redeemed (the born again) from the curse of the Law".

Once you are converted, born again, then the 10 Commandments, remain for you, ONLY as a Lifestyle Boundary.......and we are to not step over the line they have drawn, because if we do, we will suffer.

Jesus always said "go and sin no more" his message was about repentance and the Kingdom of heaven.

What defines sin are the commandments, he asked us to perform, if we do not know what they, are how can one not sin as defined buy God's commandments?

Jesus Spent much time teaching and explaining how to follow the commandments from the heart, he magnified them also and revealed how to follow them properly, with Love and not strictly by the letters of the law. the pharisees added to the commandments and followed their makeshift modified laws without compassion but with cruelty. condemning people needlessly. Jesus rebuked them severely.

 

[Behold]

Jesus always said "go and sin no more" his message was about repentance and the Kingdom of heaven.

He wasn't talking to Christians, when He said that......at that time.

See, Christianity started AFTER Jesus died on The Cross.......not while He was walking around healing, and telling people not to "sin".

What defines sin are the commandments, he asked us to perform, if we do not know what they, are how can one not sin as defined buy God's commandments?

The conscious in a person knows when they sin.

Also, Its the entirety of the Law......that are Moses's writings........so, all 613 Laws, and the 10 Commandments.

"The Law came by Moses, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus THE Christ'.

Jesus Spent much time teaching and explaining how to follow the commandments from the heart, he magnified them also and revealed how to follow them properly, with Love and not strictly by the letters of the law. the pharisees added to the commandments and followed their makeshift modified laws without compassion but with cruelty. condemning people needlessly. Jesus rebuked them severely.

We should keep the 10 Commandments....but not to try to be saved or to try to stay saved., as Commandment keeping, just like water baptism, can't save you or keep you saved.

Because...

"Only JESUS Saves".

 

[LoveYeshua]

He wasn't talking to Christians, when He said that......at that time.

See, Christianity started AFTER Jesus died on The Cross.......not while He was walking around healing, and telling people not to "sin".

on tates

i see a bit differently, people started to follow christ while he was with us at that time. To me Christians are people who love Christ and follow him, we cannot rely on dates from religious organisations, it really started with christ.

The conscious in a person knows when they sin.

Also, Its the entirety of the Law......that are Moses's writings........so, all 613 Laws, and the 10 Commandments.

the Jews followed the 613, Jesus never said to follow those, he spoke of the Ten Commandments and explain their true meaning and intent. the Jerusalem council in Acts was clear as of what of very few laws of the 613 they decided to pass on the the gentiles. Furthermore, many many of these 613 laws cannot be followed today like the sacrificial laws for examples since Jesus was the final atonement for sin and sacrifices are no longer necessary.

"The Law came by Moses, but Grace and Truth came by Jesus THE Christ'.

yes Grace was from the very beginning of creation;

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jhn 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

we all exist by the Grace of God. as for the law that came from Moses, I can say with certainty that the Ten Commandments came from GOD directly when God wrote the ten commandments on two tables of stone with his own finger and had Moses construct the Ark of the Covenant to safe keep them as the Ten Commandments are the Covenant as defined by God.

We should keep the 10 Commandments....but not to try to be saved or to try to stay saved., as Commandment keeping, just like water baptism, can't save you or keep you saved.

Because...

"Only JESUS Saves".

I agree fully that we should keep the Ten Commandments not to be saved but because they are in us and we Love God.

Blessings.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Was a message to Timothy, whom was Jewish, and “Scripture” to him as someone Jewish, is naturally know as The Old Testament.

Just sayin.

Just sayin WRONG - there fixed the comment made in error.

Timothy, Paul, and the rest of the New Testament saints walked in the New Covenant and they taught New Covenant

 

[CTK]

This message

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).

Was a message to Timothy, whom was Jewish, and “Scripture” to him as someone Jewish, is naturally know as The Old Testament.

Just sayin.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).

Above is the verss you posted in your response.... below is a discussion on this subject with scrupture verses... and earlier in a response, I provided more than a few scripture verses that also spoke to this subject - in the affirmative of the Sabbath and the 10 commandments. So, please consider all of them .... if they are all wrong, how are they wrong... if two or three of them are wrong, than there is a real problem because that would mean there is contradiction not only within the New Testament but with the Old Testament - and, of course, that would mean the bible is worthless. There is NO contradictions found in the scripture -Genesis to Revelation. However, it is very common and understandable to have different interpretations of many verses.... but that is why we should bring all the verses together on a partifcular subject (in other words, no cherry picking because that really gets folks in trouble), and line up the fence posts. I would ask that you consider all the available "fence posts" that have been provided to you bu more than a couple of folks here in this site and reconsider your decision. It is not a matter of opinion - there are just too many verses addressing this issue that speak in unison. The real question I have found, and we are ALL guilty of this, is that when we make a decision we do not seem to be able to move off of it no matter what is being presented from another......

It is true that the Ten Commandments were originally spoken to Israel at Sinai. But what many overlook is why they were given, what they reflect, and who gave them. They were not merely national statutes—they were the spoken words of God Himself, written by His own finger (Exodus 31:18). No other laws, including those concerning sacrifices, temple rituals, or clean/unclean distinctions, were treated with such personal divine authority. These ten words represent the moral character of God and are described in Scripture as holy, just, and good (Romans 7:12).

To say that these laws—especially the Sabbath—were never intended for Gentiles is to miss the greater biblical narrative. The Sabbath was not invented at Sinai. It was blessed and sanctified at creation (Genesis 2:2–3), long before Israel existed. Jesus later declared, “The Sabbath was made for man”—not for Jews only— “and not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27). He did not say it was made for Israel. He said it was made for humanity.

Yes, Jesus fulfilled the law (Matthew 5:17). But to fulfill is not to abolish. The same verse clarifies this: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.” Jesus fulfilled the law the same way He fulfilled righteousness, prophecy, and the sacrifices: by living them out fully, perfectly, and truthfully. And then He told His disciples, “Not one jot or tittle will pass from the law until all is fulfilled” (Matthew 5:18).

The claim that Gentiles are no longer under the Ten Commandments because we are under “the Law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2) creates a false dichotomy. Paul is not replacing one law with another; he is explaining how the Spirit leads believers to live out the very heart of God’s law, which Christ Himself affirmed. When asked the greatest commandment, Jesus quoted directly from the Torah (Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18).

But note this: loving God and loving your neighbor are not replacements for the Ten Commandments; they are summaries of them (Romans 13:8–10).

How do we love God? —By not having other gods, not making idols, not taking His name in vain, and remembering His holy Sabbath.

How do we love our neighbor?
—By honoring parents, not murdering, not committing adultery, not stealing, not lying, and not coveting.

The idea that the Sabbath or other commandments are optional for believers is not supported by the example of Jesus, who kept the Sabbath (Luke 4:16), or His apostles, who continued observing it after the cross (Acts 17:2; Acts 18:4). And Hebrews 4 draws a direct connection between the Sabbath and the rest that remains for the people of God—not as a replacement, but as a shadow pointing to a deeper spiritual rest while still honoring the day set apart by God.

It is true that the Law came with blessings and curses. But the curses fell not because the Law was flawed, but because we were. Christ bore that curse on our behalf (Galatians 3:13), not so we could discard the Law, but so we could walk in its righteousness by the Spirit (Romans 8:4). The Spirit does not lead us away from God’s moral law; He writes it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10).

So yes, believers are not under the Mosaic covenant, but the Ten Commandments were never just a national code—they are God's eternal standard. The Sabbath is not a ritual—it’s a creation blessing, a covenant sign, and a prophetic symbol of our final rest in Christ. But resting in Christ does not mean resting from obedience. It means no longer striving to earn righteousness by works, while still walking in obedience through faith.

In the end, the Law of Christ and the Ten Commandments are not at odds. One is the summary. The other is the foundation. And Jesus is the fulfillment of both.

 

[MatthewG]

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2 Timothy 3:16).

Above is the verss you posted in your response.... below is a discussion on this subject with scrupture verses... and earlier in a response, I provided more than a few scripture verses that also spoke to this subject - in the affirmative of the Sabbath and the 10 commandments. So, please consider all of them .... if they are all wrong, how are they wrong... if two or three of them are wrong, than there is a real problem because that would mean there is contradiction not only within the New Testament but with the Old Testament - and, of course, that would mean the bible is worthless. There is NO contradictions found in the scripture -Genesis to Revelation. However, it is very common and understandable to have different interpretations of many verses.... but that is why we should bring all the verses together on a partifcular subject (in other words, no cherry picking because that really gets folks in trouble), and line up the fence posts. I would ask that you consider all the available "fence posts" that have been provided to you bu more than a couple of folks here in this site and reconsider your decision. It is not a matter of opinion - there are just too many verses addressing this issue that speak in unison. The real question I have found, and we are ALL guilty of this, is that when we make a decision we do not seem to be able to move off of it no matter what is being presented from another......

It is true that the Ten Commandments were originally spoken to Israel at Sinai. But what many overlook is why they were given, what they reflect, and who gave them. They were not merely national statutes—they were the spoken words of God Himself, written by His own finger (Exodus 31:18). No other laws, including those concerning sacrifices, temple rituals, or clean/unclean distinctions, were treated with such personal divine authority. These ten words represent the moral character of God and are described in Scripture as holy, just, and good (Romans 7:12).

To say that these laws—especially the Sabbath—were never intended for Gentiles is to miss the greater biblical narrative. The Sabbath was not invented at Sinai. It was blessed and sanctified at creation (Genesis 2:2–3), long before Israel existed. Jesus later declared, “The Sabbath was made for man”—not for Jews only— “and not man for the Sabbath” (Mark 2:27). He did not say it was made for Israel. He said it was made for humanity.

Yes, Jesus fulfilled the law (Matthew 5:17). But to fulfill is not to abolish. The same verse clarifies this: “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.” Jesus fulfilled the law the same way He fulfilled righteousness, prophecy, and the sacrifices: by living them out fully, perfectly, and truthfully. And then He told His disciples, “Not one jot or tittle will pass from the law until all is fulfilled” (Matthew 5:18).

The claim that Gentiles are no longer under the Ten Commandments because we are under “the Law of Christ” (Galatians 6:2) creates a false dichotomy. Paul is not replacing one law with another; he is explaining how the Spirit leads believers to live out the very heart of God’s law, which Christ Himself affirmed. When asked the greatest commandment, Jesus quoted directly from the Torah (Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18).

But note this: loving God and loving your neighbor are not replacements for the Ten Commandments; they are summaries of them (Romans 13:8–10).

How do we love God? —By not having other gods, not making idols, not taking His name in vain, and remembering His holy Sabbath.

How do we love our neighbor?
—By honoring parents, not murdering, not committing adultery, not stealing, not lying, and not coveting.

The idea that the Sabbath or other commandments are optional for believers is not supported by the example of Jesus, who kept the Sabbath (Luke 4:16), or His apostles, who continued observing it after the cross (Acts 17:2; Acts 18:4). And Hebrews 4 draws a direct connection between the Sabbath and the rest that remains for the people of God—not as a replacement, but as a shadow pointing to a deeper spiritual rest while still honoring the day set apart by God.

It is true that the Law came with blessings and curses. But the curses fell not because the Law was flawed, but because we were. Christ bore that curse on our behalf (Galatians 3:13), not so we could discard the Law, but so we could walk in its righteousness by the Spirit (Romans 8:4). The Spirit does not lead us away from God’s moral law; He writes it on our hearts (Jeremiah 31:33; Hebrews 8:10).

So yes, believers are not under the Mosaic covenant, but the Ten Commandments were never just a national code—they are God's eternal standard. The Sabbath is not a ritual—it’s a creation blessing, a covenant sign, and a prophetic symbol of our final rest in Christ. But resting in Christ does not mean resting from obedience. It means no longer striving to earn righteousness by works, while still walking in obedience through faith.

In the end, the Law of Christ and the Ten Commandments are not at odds. One is the summary. The other is the foundation. And Jesus is the fulfillment of both.

Hello CTK,

Okay.

This all I know, 1 John 3:23

And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

This all I know, 1 John 3:23

And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

Wow so that's the only part of the New Testament you believe?

 

[Zao is life]

No one has any authority to contradict Christ, it was Christ

But you contradict both Christ and Paul.

who received all authority in heaven and earth not Paul,

Did Christ call you, give you authority and send you out to establish His churches and His doctrine among the Gentiles?

You deny Christ's authority if you deny Paul's authority, and this is besides how you contradict Christ and all His apostles with your false doctrine.

Who gave you that authority - whether to the Jews or to the Gentiles?

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (Matthew 5:17).

Jesus clarified how He was going to fulfill the law:

John 15:10-14
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you."

Romans 13:8-10
"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this: Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

1 John 3:23
"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."

1 John 3:17-18
But whoever has this world's goods and sees his brother having need, and shuts up his bowels from him, how does the love of God dwell in him?
My children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.

James 2:15-18
If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and if one of you says to them, Go in peace, be warmed and filled, but you do not give them those things which are needful to the body, what good is it? Even so, if it does not have works, faith is dead, being by itself. But someone will say, You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

James 2:1-4:
My brothers, do not have the faith of our Lord Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
For if there comes a gold-fingered man in fancy clothing into your assembly, and if there also comes in a poor man in shabby clothing, and if you have respect to him who has the fancy clothing and say to him, You sit here in a good place, and say to the poor, You stand there, or sit here under my footstool;
Did you not make a difference among yourselves and became judges with evil thoughts?

Matthew 25:37-40
Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You? Or thirsty, and gave You drink? When did we see You a stranger, and took You in? Or naked, and clothed You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You?
And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you have done it to Me.

Your works that you produce through your obedience to the commandments, are dead - because they are not the fruit of the Spirit of Christ, they are not produced by the Spirit of life in Christ that sets us free from the law of sin and death.

No matter how many works you produce from the flesh - which is the only way you can obey the ten commandments - they are dead works.

Your flesh 'explains' the law and commandments and makes a pretension of having greater authority than Christ gave to Paul while your spew you false doctrine.

Paul was a lamp - a willing and obedient vessel of the Spirit of Christ that produced light. Your 'light; is spiritual darkness.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Did Christ call you, give you authority and send you out to establish His churches and His doctrine among the Gentiles?

No, but He did send His true Children to advocate for what He teaches in His Word.

Paul did not contradict Jesus's teaching and even warned against and basically said those that do are nutjobs!

1 Timothy 6:3-5
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

 

[LoveYeshua]

But you contradict both Christ and Paul.



Did Christ call you, give you authority and send you out to establish His churches and His doctrine among the Gentiles?

You deny Christ's authority if you deny Paul's authority, and this is besides how you contradict Christ and all His apostles with your false doctrine.

Who gave you that authority - whether to the Jews or to the Gentiles?

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. (Matthew 5:17).

Jesus clarified how He was going to fulfill the law:

John 15:10-14
"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you."

Romans 13:8-10
"Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this: Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is: love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, faith, meekness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

1 John 3:23
"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."

1 John 3:17-18
But whoever has this world's goods and sees his brother having need, and shuts up his bowels from him, how does the love of God dwell in him?
My children, let us not love in word or in tongue, but in deed and in truth.

James 2:15-18
If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and if one of you says to them, Go in peace, be warmed and filled, but you do not give them those things which are needful to the body, what good is it? Even so, if it does not have works, faith is dead, being by itself. But someone will say, You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.

James 2:1-4:
My brothers, do not have the faith of our Lord Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
For if there comes a gold-fingered man in fancy clothing into your assembly, and if there also comes in a poor man in shabby clothing, and if you have respect to him who has the fancy clothing and say to him, You sit here in a good place, and say to the poor, You stand there, or sit here under my footstool;
Did you not make a difference among yourselves and became judges with evil thoughts?

Matthew 25:37-40
Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You? Or thirsty, and gave You drink? When did we see You a stranger, and took You in? Or naked, and clothed You? Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You?
And the King shall answer and say to them, Truly I say to you, Inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you have done it to Me.

Your works that you produce through your obedience to the commandments, are dead - because they are not the fruit of the Spirit of Christ, they are not produced by the Spirit of life in Christ that sets us free from the law of sin and death.

No matter how many works you produce from the flesh - which is the only way you can obey the ten commandments - they are dead works.

Your flesh 'explains' the law and commandments and makes a pretension of having greater authority than Christ gave to Paul while your spew you false doctrine.

Paul was a lamp - a willing and obedient vessel of the Spirit of Christ that produced light. Your 'light; is spiritual darkness.

Had you forgotten act 15:7? is it why you are angry? and No I never contradict Christ that I follow, all I write is to call back people to Christ that they have forgotten and have replaced by another to such an extent that they have forgotten the words of Christ and believe false doctrine invented by men.

 

[Behold]

i see a bit differently, people started to follow christ while he was with us at that time. To me Christians are people who love Christ and follow him, necessary.

You can't have "Christianity" until Jesus has died on The Cross , and is resurrected.

See, its The Cross and the resurrection... that Birthed Christianity.......and that is why there are no "Christians" in the Old Testament, or any found when Jesus was on the Earth, during His ministry.
Also, you can't be a Christain, until the Holy Spirit is given..("they that have not the Spirit of God (inside them) are none of God's.)..... and He was not given to the world, until after Jesus died, rose again, and was back in Heaven.
So, the followers of Christ, during His ministry, were Disciples.......not Christians.

In John 20:22, you find the Resurrected Jesus giving the 11 Apostles the Holy Spirit, and in Acts 2, The Holy Spirit was sent to the world.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

You can't have "Christianity" until Jesus has died on The Cross , and is resurrected.

And yet according to Jesus the Law of the prophets ceased with the coming of John the Baptist

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

People can argue all they'd like, but Jesus is saying New Covenant teaching started with John the Baptist

 

[LoveYeshua]

Can we agree that Christianity started while Christ walked the earth?

 

[Behold]

People can argue all they'd like, but Jesus is saying New Covenant teaching started with John the Baptist

The teaching started.......but the actual NEW Covenant whereby Jesus offered Himself TO GOD, on THE CROSS as HIS Blood & Death Sacrifice for the sin of the World....started right there on The Cross.

John 3:16, and John 3:17

It could be argued (gently) that the whipping begin The Covenant, however its The Cross and Resurrection of Christ that began Christianity.

When is the actual moment that Jesus completed the Sacrifice ?
Its when He said from The Cross......."IT is Finished-Accomplished".