Did Jesus remove all the sin from the world?

[soberxp]

John 1:29 KJV
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Did Jesus take away the sin of the world? What does that mean?

Much love!

Jesus Christ took away human's sin, and human is only human, not sinful human, and I understand it this way, because this is salvation, The purest love. But the sin of this world still exists, not that people no longer sin, because this is the fate of humanity, can not be changed, Or we won't need the salvation of Jesus Christ.

 

[MatthewG]

Hey @Lizbeth,

Idk if this will amount to much, but I just wanted to take a quick snap of this study bible I got from Holman by mistake, as it definitely helps to get an idea of what was going on in that time and day, to some degree. Though this book NJKV STUDY BIBLE by Holman, is different people gathering up their takes in some form or fashion. I hope that you find it a little bit interesting at least.

 

[Lizbeth]

Hello Lizbeth,

Yeah, I get you, people should just get back to reading their bibles I think personally. I been reading a little more lately and it helps in my opinion.

I think that that church you speak of has to be unblemished, spotless, and unwrinkled, and Paul was writing concerning those things to the Gentiles in that day in age.

I often notice things in the bible that I had read before but somehow it hadn't registered before. It's always good to go back and be refreshed in the word. We grow in it. And it has a way of "washing" (sanctifying) us.....the washing of the water of the word.

If the early church was literally unblemished and spotless, would they have needed to hear the gospels and letters of the apostles for instruction and admonishment and encouragement etc? Especially since Paul said after he died wolves would come in not sparing the flock...to me that sounds like more wrinkles coming in, not less, and he died a few years before 70AD.

When or how did the Lord judge the world (Gentiles)..?

 

[Behold]

When or how did the Lord judge the world (Gentiles)..?

He hasn't judged it yet.

Its still to come.

2 Thess 1:8-9

 

[MatthewG]

I often notice things in the bible that I had read before but somehow it hadn't registered before. It's always good to go back and be refreshed in the word. We grow in it. And it has a way of "washing" (sanctifying) us.....the washing of the water of the word.

If the early church was literally unblemished and spotless, would they have needed to hear the gospels and letters of the apostles for instruction and admonishment and encouragement etc? Especially since Paul said after he died wolves would come in not sparing the flock...to me that sounds like more wrinkles coming in, not less, and he died a few years before 70AD.

When or how did the Lord judge the world (Gentiles)..?

Hello Lizbeth,

In the writings of the Apostle Paul, he addressed his contemporaries regarding the spiritual condition and future of the Church. As recorded in Ephesians 5:27, Paul wrote:

“He did this to present her to himself as a glorious church without a spot or wrinkle or any other blemish. Instead, she will be holy and without fault.”

There was also a period during which certain individuals claimed that the resurrection had already taken place. This is evident in Paul's second letter to Timothy, where he states:

2 Timothy 2:18 – “They have left the path of truth, claiming that the resurrection of the dead has already occurred; in this way, they have turned some people away from the faith.”

These occurrences were unfolding in real time during Paul’s era. Although many today apply these passages to our present circumstances, it does not necessarily validate such interpretations.

Paul’s depiction of the Bride of Christ as being without spot, wrinkle, or blemish was specific to that generation, so she might be received and spared from the coming wrath that was to befall that nation, contemporaneous with the return of Yeshua.

From a present-day perspective, every individual is destined to face death at their appointed time, after which each will be judged based on the integrity of the heart. Yahavah, in His sovereignty, will assign to each person their place according to His will. Those who lived by faith will receive rewards from Him, including distinct degrees of glory—as discussed by Paul in 1 Corinthians, presumably chapter 15—pertaining to the resurrection and the transformation into a spiritual body.

I do not believe that God is poised to judge the world, as many claim. Rather, I hold that He has already reconciled the world to Himself through Yeshua. The only judgment that was foretold, I believe, was directed specifically toward that nation, and it is my conviction that God utilized the Gentiles as an instrument to bring about the downfall of Israel.

Scripture also references the release or "dumping" of souls from hell—a form of judgment already rendered. Notably, the term "sea" is mentioned, which some interpret to symbolize the Gentiles.

Although I acknowledge that my understanding may be incomplete, as I have not studied this in depth for some time, I find it difficult to comprehend the prevailing expectation among many believers that a future, global judgment still awaits.

This is the reality in which I live. I do not concern myself with judgment, for I know it will come in due time. My focus remains on being faithful and striving, through Christ, to love my neighbor as myself. It is not by my own righteousness, but through His righteousness, that I live and walk in grace.

 

[gpresdo]

Ah, there isn't any telling. I was baptized three times to get x3 sure of not going to hell.

Hell is done away with according to the Bible.


The only baptism that matter what the one of the holy spirit and fire, which Yeshua brings.

Sin itself is already taken care of, there is only one that remains the sin of unbelief in a heart that doesnt desire anything to do with God at all period.

What?...all are sinners and must repent and be baptized in order to be born again.

 

[gpresdo]

A heart change by the operator. IE: Maker.

It's good to change your mind on things but may it be from Yahavah himself by the spirit.

Paul stated "all things are lawful, but not all things are beneficial."

AI Overview

The saying "All things are lawful, but not all things are beneficial" means that while there may be no specific rules against something, it doesn't automatically make it a good or helpful choice. It highlights the importance of discernment and considering the consequences of one's actions, even if those actions are technically permissible.

This idea is often attributed to Paul's writings in 1 Corinthians. In 1 Corinthians 6:12 and 10:23, Paul uses this phrase to address the Corinthian church's discussions about freedom in Christ and the potential for misuse of that freedom. While Christians have freedom from the law, they should not use this freedom to justify actions that are not helpful or edifying for themselves or others.

Here's a breakdown of the key points:

• • "All things are lawful":
    This refers to the Christian's freedom from the Old Testament law's restrictions.
  • "Not all things are beneficial":
    This emphasizes that even if something is permissible, it might not be wise, helpful, or good for one's spiritual growth or the well-being of others.
  • Discernment and Conscience:
    The saying encourages Christians to use their judgment and conscience to determine what is truly helpful and edifying, rather than simply relying on what is allowed.
  • Impact on Others:
    It also highlights the importance of considering how one's actions might affect other believers, especially those who might be weaker in faith.

The Bible is not complex ...very simple...follow God's commandments.

 

[MatthewG]

Hi @gpresdo,

This is all I know,

1 John 3:23

And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

 

[gpresdo]

Hi @gpresdo,

This is all I know,

1 John 3:23

And this is His commandment: that we should believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

If u believe then you will do!

 

[Lizbeth]

Hello Lizbeth,

In the writings of the Apostle Paul, he addressed his contemporaries regarding the spiritual condition and future of the Church. As recorded in Ephesians 5:27, Paul wrote:


There was also a period during which certain individuals claimed that the resurrection had already taken place. This is evident in Paul's second letter to Timothy, where he states:


These occurrences were unfolding in real time during Paul’s era. Although many today apply these passages to our present circumstances, it does not necessarily validate such interpretations.

Paul’s depiction of the Bride of Christ as being without spot, wrinkle, or blemish was specific to that generation, so she might be received and spared from the coming wrath that was to befall that nation, contemporaneous with the return of Yeshua.

From a present-day perspective, every individual is destined to face death at their appointed time, after which each will be judged based on the integrity of the heart. Yahavah, in His sovereignty, will assign to each person their place according to His will. Those who lived by faith will receive rewards from Him, including distinct degrees of glory—as discussed by Paul in 1 Corinthians, presumably chapter 15—pertaining to the resurrection and the transformation into a spiritual body.

I do not believe that God is poised to judge the world, as many claim. Rather, I hold that He has already reconciled the world to Himself through Yeshua. The only judgment that was foretold, I believe, was directed specifically toward that nation, and it is my conviction that God utilized the Gentiles as an instrument to bring about the downfall of Israel.

Scripture also references the release or "dumping" of souls from hell—a form of judgment already rendered. Notably, the term "sea" is mentioned, which some interpret to symbolize the Gentiles.

Although I acknowledge that my understanding may be incomplete, as I have not studied this in depth for some time, I find it difficult to comprehend the prevailing expectation among many believers that a future, global judgment still awaits.

This is the reality in which I live. I do not concern myself with judgment, for I know it will come in due time. My focus remains on being faithful and striving, through Christ, to love my neighbor as myself. It is not by my own righteousness, but through His righteousness, that I live and walk in grace.

No working out our salvation with fear and trembling then...? We are seeing things differently. I agree a lot of the things prophesied were fulfilled in 70 AD, the end of that age...... but scripture indicates that this age is going to end as well does it not?.....the times of the Gentiles will come to a close, this age when mostly Gentile Christendom became the ruling power in the world and will come under judgment, and that already is beginning. And since Israel is our ensample, and tribulation was to the Jew first, then the Gentile, I believe things for the apostate Gentiles will and are mirroring the same pattern of how things went for Israel in her apostasy.

Luk 21:24-28

And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.

And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.



But I just want to say where you're seeing elsewhere, some things as applying individually to our death and after death, I think you may be partly right....even in 2 Peter 3 where it speaks of the elements dissolving may be speaking of our flesh in the grave and new heavens and new earth may be speaking of mortality putting on immortality individually.......because I believe scripture may often be speaking on more than one level at the same time. I will try to keep what you have said in mind going forward and see how it pans out, if the Lord will help my understanding. Whether we as individuals happen to be around for the coming of the Lord and end of the age or not, we still need to be prepared and preparing to meet our Maker just the same regardless.

 

[MatthewG]

Why would you say that about no fear and trembling or whatever?

 

[Behold]

Paul’s depiction of the Bride of Christ as being without spot, wrinkle, or blemish was specific to that generation,

Post a verse that supports this nonsense you just stated, that is teaching that only an early part of the Bride of Christ can be "without spot or wrinkle".

You need to throw your commentaries away, as they are junk... truly, which is no different then your Preterism.

 

[MatthewG]

I’ll tell you this I’m not afraid of God. He works with me as I go about in my own life. There’s nothing to be scared of. Because I never came to a mountain where there was thunder is roaring and lightning strikes that scared the children of Israel. I’ve come to a new foundation which is heavenly and spiritual, and God is no longer mad at the world that so many people proclaimed today. There’s no reason to fear God. I’m in a WE. Of God, but that’s about it. I have no reason to be scared of God, but people make it out like you need to be scared of him. I don’t understand why thank you for the discussion.

 

[MatthewG]

So many people say that you must be afraid of God or they themselves are afraid of God and I just don’t get that. I don’t understand why I get people hating God I get that but Jesus took care of all the scenes so it’s whatever you take from it bye.

 

[Behold]

I’ve come to a new foundation which is heavenly and spiritual,

Yet your Preterism, and most of what you believe, regarding Hell, Satan, and so forth, is not true.
So, God is not leading you into that....

Understand?

 

[Behold]

So many people say that you must be afraid of God

The verse "work out your Salvation in fear and trembling"............. this "fear and trembling" is not the idea of a cold sweat panic attack.
Its actually this......"awe and wonder"......to be utterly amazed at this Awesome Loving God.....this God of unmerited Grace, and unmerited Goodness, and unmerited Kindness, and unmerited Favor who gave His Son for all sinners.

"Jesus came into the world to save sinners".......one believer at a time.

 

[Lizbeth]

Why would you say that about no fear and trembling or whatever?

That's scripture....

Phl 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.


2Co 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.


Heb 5:7
Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;


Isa 66:2

For all those things My hand has made,
And all those things exist,”
Says the LORD.
“But on this one will I look:
On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit,
And who trembles at My word.

 

[MatthewG]

That's scripture....

Phl 2:12
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.


2Co 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.


Heb 5:7
Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared;


Isa 66:2

For all those things My hand has made,
And all those things exist,”
Says the LORD.
“But on this one will I look:
On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit,
And who trembles at My word.

So you are scared of God yourself?

I mean it's a terrible thing to fall into his hands, but he is a good God, and a God of love.

I am not afraid of him, he can do whatever he wants with me at this point when it comes to the end of my life.

He loves us, cares for us, and desires to know everything going on in our life.



I love the bible scripture, but I love the Spirit that God gives us more. I love the living God more than I do the scripture itself, but I enjoy knowing we have that as a resource today, for those whom are in need of spiritual guidance.

 

[MatthewG]

The verse "work out your Salvation in fear and trembling"............. this "fear and trembling" is not the idea of a cold sweat panic attack.
Its actually this......"awe and wonder"......to be utterly amazed at this Awesome Loving God...

That is right Behold! Absolutely agree with you on this. This is why I love God so much more than the scripture itself. It's awespiring thing that he even remotely loves any of us!

I love scripture to, but at the same time it is only limited to what it can do. One thing is for your sure, you can not pray to the Bible.

You can can pray to a living and loving God, Yahavah, in the name of Yeshua, and he hears people! He literally may seem far off but he is literally a God whom is near, to our hearts, living within us in our hearts, and helping us as long as we continue to remain faithful towards him. There may be ways he helps people who don't even believe in him, but maybe one day they realize his ability to be there with them.


Endless possibilites - Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

 

[Lizbeth]

I’ll tell you this I’m not afraid of God. He works with me as I go about in my own life. There’s nothing to be scared of. Because I never came to a mountain where there was thunder is roaring and lightning strikes that scared the children of Israel. I’ve come to a new foundation which is heavenly and spiritual, and God is no longer mad at the world that so many people proclaimed today. There’s no reason to fear God. I’m in a WE. Of God, but that’s about it. I have no reason to be scared of God, but people make it out like you need to be scared of him. I don’t understand why thank you for the discussion.

Don't you know that Jesus said to fear Him who is able to destroy both body and soul in hades...? So while we may approach the Lord boldly, there is a place for fear. He is both approachable as well as not to be taken lightly at the same time but we should give Him the fear that is due Him. "Behold both the goodness and severity of God..."