Question for Catholics: Do you classify all non-Catholics as Protestant?

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ScottA

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It never ends with you people. " If you break done the passage "properly"...(another LOL moment) by which you mean, the way YOU interpret it. You dont have any authority I recognize. Also are you completely oblivious to the silly argument that protestants use regarding the name of Peter or Petros vs Petra(meaning rock or pebble and the male female derivation) from the greek? Clearly Jesus is saying on this Petra or Petros (Peter = rock) i will build my church. Its unlikely Jesus intended for there to be 20,000 christian denominations even though he knew it would happen. Again NOTHING you believe existed before the appearance of the looney little monk.
Sorry, but you are suffering under the foretold apostacy and strong delusion. I on the other hand have been speaking the words foretold only to be revealed before the sounding of the seventh angel. Which, you do not have to receive--but you are subject to them--as it is written. If you were more knowledgeable about what was to come--you would have anticipated exactly what I have been saying to you. Which is no different for the Protestants than the Catholics.
 

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Sorry, but you are suffering under the foretold apostacy and strong delusion. I on the other hand have been speaking the words foretold only to be revealed before the sounding of the seventh angel. Which, you do not have to receive--but you are subject to them--as it is written. If you were more knowledgeable about what was to come--you would have anticipated exactly what I have been saying to you. Which is no different for the Protestants than the Catholics.
No Im just reading the bible and pointing out to you that NOTHING you believe existed before the looney little monk who is you leader.
 

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I don't know who you are talking about, but no, I have not been telling you what I "believe."
Im talking to you. You have been tell me nothing but what you believe. First there was the ....what Jesus meant... comment then came the, understanding things "properly" comment. Its hilarious. Both assume you're speaking authoritatively which you arent but all you have is what you believe. If Jesus said, "The apple is red", Im going to take his word for it. I dont need you to tell me what he actually meant or that I need to understand it "properly", its clear the apple is red.
 

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Im talking to you. You have been tell me nothing but what you believe. First there was the ....what Jesus meant... comment then came the, understanding things "properly" comment. Its hilarious. Both assume you're speaking authoritatively which you arent but all you have is what you believe.
Now you are just flat out lying.

I am under authority. The assumption is yours.
 

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Now you are just flat out lying.

I am under authority. The assumption is yours.
Im not lying. My might be incorrect but thats not the same.

You may be UNDER authority but you dont speak WITH any authority I recognize.
 

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Thank you for another barrage of your verbal diarrhea that makes absolutely ZERO sense.



Nothing new with you…as expected…

Same old nasty remarks…

Same whining Because you can not discern Spiritual Understanding, with continual reliance on your Carnal Minded understanding.
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1 Cor. 2:
[14] But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Yes, you make that clear.
Correct YOU have no authority I recognize. If Jesus says the apple is red I believe him. You folks on the other hand have the same tired retorts, "out of context", "what Jesus really means is...", and "you dont understand things properly".

And again NOTHING you believe existed before the looney little monk
 

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Deut. 34:
[4] He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

2 Sam 22:
[32] For who is God, save the LORD? and who is a rock, save our God?

Pss 18:
[2] The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

[31] For who is God save the LORD? or who is a rock save our God?

Pss 62:
[7] In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God.

Surprise… A hidden Truth Revealed!!!

1 Cor 10:
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

The Lord God Almighty is THE ROCK.

Men do not Become The Lord God Almighty.

Men (some) become Adjoined WITH THE Rock, the Lord God Almighty.

Glory to God,
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Do YOU think that you can reject the Body of Christ and still be saved?

Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."
Protestants don't reject the body of Christ. All Catholics who reject the Protestants as "not part of the body of Christ" reject the body of Christ.

4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.
-- Ephesians 4
 
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Zao is life

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Excerpt from The Octavius of Minucius Felix
Charge: Cannibalism
CAECILIUS THE PAGAN:
“You Christians are the worst breed ever to affect the world. You deserve every punishment you can get! Nobody likes you. It would be better if you and your Jesus had never been born. We hear that you are all cannibals--you eat the flesh of your children in your sacred meetings.

So you quote history stating that Christians were falsely accused of eating the flesh of their children and claim that they were falsely accused of eating the flesh of Christ.

Even if they were falsely accused if eating the flesh of Christ - notice that you believe that you literally eat the flesh of Christ. So in their case it was a false accusation - but in your case, it is not.

Anyway not even the pagans would have accused them of eating the flesh of someone who was not even there - you changed the words "of your children" to "of Christ", thus corrupting the very words of the historical person you quoted in order to find support for what you are saying.

The document you quote describes a debate between a Christian named Octavius and a pagan named Caecilius at the Roman port of Ostia.


Here's the history - which as a faithful false witness speaking for the Catholic church - you dutifully ignored:

CAECILIUS THE PAGAN: You Christians are the worst breed ever to affect the world. You deserve every punishment you can get! Nobody likes you. It would be better if you and your Jesus had never been born. We hear that you are all cannibals--you eat the flesh of your children in your sacred meetings.

OCTAVIUS The Christian: That story is probably based on reports that we share together a meal of the body and blood of Christ. That we do. But it is not human flesh we eat. It is bread and wine we consecrate to commemorate our Lord's death.

Source: Why Early Christians Were Despised

Produce a history where they were falsely accused of eating the flesh of Christ in support of what you say, for goodness sake

- because "stupid" is to quote a historical figure falsely accusing them of eating the flesh of their children in order to support the notion that it's a false accusation to say that Catholics believe that they eat the flesh of the crucified Christ.

"Stupid" is to live in constant denial of Histtory. . .

The earliest church knew they weren't literally eating the literal flesh or literally drinking the literal blood of Jesus, because Jesus clarified what He meant - just as His disciples were later to record and which we now see in verse 63 below:

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus clarified what He meant by what He said in verse 63: He lived by the Father. We live by Him. He was going to shed His blood and give His body for the life of the world - and the gospel of John containing the record of Jesus clarifying what He meant was written possibly even AFTER the debate took place between the two people that you quote because the history of it was written somewhere between 130 and 200 AD.

The way we eat His flesh and drink His blood is by faith in His once-for-all sacrifice. In the body of Christ we do not crucify Him over and over and over by turning a wafer into His "literal body" and wine into His "literal blood".
 
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Correct YOU have no authority I recognize. If Jesus says the apple is red I believe him. You folks on the other hand have the same tired retorts, "out of context", "what Jesus really means is...", and "you dont understand things properly".

And again NOTHING you believe existed before the looney little monk
You do not recognize my authority because you do not recognize Him who sent me.
 

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Thanks.



I read Jesus chose two Simon’s.
(this) Simon’s father was Jona and Simon was called Simon Barjona..(meaning Simon son of Jona.)

Jesus asked his Disciples several questions.
The question regarding WHO Jesus IS…God provided Simon Barjona the Answer. And the following…
Jesus acknowledges Simon Barjons’s Blessing to have God give him the correct answer.

Previously, several Disciples, had or were given Surnames.
Simon Barjona was one of the Disciples given a Surname, called Simon Peter.

Matt. 16:18 Jesus Now addresses (This Simon) by his Surname Peter that which Jesus had previously been addressing him.

The significance is not about …
Simon Barjona (Surname) Peter…

The Significance is The Answer to Jesus’ Question…and the “THING” / “Rock”
upon which Jesus would Build “His” Church, is not a Person…
Rather the Fact direct knowledge from God…that JESUS IS THE CHRIST, the SON of the Living God.

Jesus continues Building HIS Church UPON the ROCK (Gods Own Assured Revealed Word).

Every organization claiming to be a CHRISTian organization… Establish their organization upon the ROCK, trustworthy True Revelation from God…
“That JESUS IS the CHRIST, the SON of the LIVING God”…

[16] And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Matt 16:
[17] And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

[18] And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

I will disagree…
Rather that …

This rock is the Answer Simon gave to Jesus’ question, not Peter.

Glory to God,
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Jesus is pointing out to Peter, that he called him such, for he was worthy as such.
The Rock is Solid foundations ! of Living Waters !

People were called by their Trade or Area etc, so one would say of one, that's Joe the farmer and that's John the chippy or Jack the Town he came from etc.

The Rock is Solid and Strong ! not weak, gutless or stupid !
Simon the Sponge ?
Simon the what ever ?

So Jesus seen in him, that he was as the Rock, Solid ! and best that one is such to give the Keys to ? not Simon the Spong tho ?

So what is Peter representing ? He who is the Head of the Church ! not to mention all who are Solid in Christ are a Rock !

But no society can stand nor any Company etc without a Head for long, such will always fail, with to many up top, you can not have 2 leaders in fact ! one has to be above ! leading the way in fact !

Just as their should be a head of the Family ! that said, such has nothing to do with Lording it over everyone like a moron, as all have their rights and Place ? but when it comes to a point, the Head their of rules ! or it's a ship with no rudder ?
Same with Peter and the Church !

Now Paul pointed out some points to Peter ! yes ! but so what ! anyone can call out on an issue to Peter in fact, Just as it was in the RCC !

Most people think that the Pope is an authority on to his own Bat ! but they never were ? That was never the intent at all, their are the 12 and 24 etc. But only morons peddle that the Pope is total Power. Their is a lot more to it than such simple dribble that I was told in Protestant Church.
But I looked into such for my self ! and seen the Prots were flat out full of Lies ! on many points they claimed, for they were so shallow on the topics and not well informed on such issues, so ignorance is bliss !
I could not even bring such subjects up to my priest, as he would always run away or babble on with some roat line and not let me stop him on any point ! I thought what a Jerk ! I was being serious, I was like, lets be totaly serious and take all issues in hand. for I had read up on the RCC possition of Doctrine ! and I hated the RCC before I studdyed the Doctrines.

And yes thew RCC is Evil and has a Evil History ! but so does every Church ! just that the RCC has been around longer that the rest in fact.

We have seen how rotten all of the Churches are in the History of Child molestering in fact !

So the real issue within any Church is to do with, Not abiding in Christ Jesus in fact !
The Rock has to do with the Church strength being the Rock = Foundations ! It's is not built on sand ? So it must be solid ! not a whimp show ?
The Rock is showen as Living waters ! this is the Key ! this is what it's function is all about !

So we see History of Popes who were corrupt ! and factions who are more in line with this world as well !
Now if we were all Monks that's no good is it ! So we do have to deal with this world in fact ! or your finished ? one has to have a handle on all such ! not ignorant !

But then we come to Pope Frances, the most lover Pope ever ! why is that, well it has to do with the History of our Times, that we are living in nowadays ! But who loves that Pope, well the MSM and and the Socialist and athiest do not hate him, nor the queers ! because he is a Peoples Pope ! and not Gods Pope That is for sure ! and he had great power in and over the RCC in fact ! when Pope JP2 and Ben never did use such intent ? nor the last 3 Popes before JP2.

But Pope Francis may very well be the type of leadership needed for the times ? regarding the Buisness ! and so in History may very well be so ? as Frances never changed the foundation points but regarding as pandering for such Times ? as other Popes had pointed out explaining why a change was made ! but not Francis.

So the fact is all should aspire to be a Rock as well ?
But as one is the Rock of Leadership of the Church for sure. just as within every Church on has a Leadership role within ? so they are not as sand ?

But when one points to a Leader ? some people have stupid childish idears of such being open slather ? pathetic !
And we seen Paul with Peter, Peter did not take offence, like a dingbat ! and Paul was never Peters Leader ever ! but some morons demand Paul is the Leader ? because they are only shortsighted dingbats ! Paul was a Rock as well, but not the Leader.

Their is more to Leadership than just giving orders ! when one is responcible for all ! but I find many people have never been in a possition of vast authority ! and they think such is of that of a 5yo ? seriously ! outright Dingbats ! They have no idea ! and if put in such a possition They run away from such like a dog with it's tail betwen it's legs yelping. because it's not all just about you ? One has to have a good handle on the possition in depth, like why Peter was given !
not to mention all should aspire to the Rock = Living waters ! of the Holy Spirit.

This Church is the Catholic Church in fact ! It may not be the RCC ? but such has to be The CC ! For the fact is, that they all fail if they are not the CC ! The Wellspring their of ! Living Waters !
 

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You may be UNDER authority but you dont speak WITH any authority I recognize.

Of course catholics don't accept the authority of Jesus Christ




Why can't we all be friends?

2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?





So Jesus seen in him, that he was as the Rock, Solid !

Yeah and Peter denied the Lord 3 times he was so "rock solid"! hlf





Most people think that the Pope is an authority

Nobody that has the Holy Spirit thinks that
 
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Jesus is pointing out to Peter, that he called him such, for he was worthy as such.
The Rock is Solid foundations ! of Living Waters !

However, WHAT Jesus called him…
Was Simon Barjona, Peter and Blessed.

Christ Jesus is The Rock upon which HIS Church is Built.

The Rock, holds the Authority (Keys) for Permitting and Forbidding.
(WHO shall Be Permitted and WHO shall Be Forbidden to Enter His ( Kingdom, country, home, Church.)

Permitting Entering… is one thing.
…All are invited and welcome TO ENTER.

Binding… is another thing.
…All are invited and welcome TO ENTER, Hear, Learn, Believe, Agree, Trust, Commit, to what they Hear….
AND “such WHO Agree” Become…members / citizens.

Loosing is another thing.
…All WHO ENTER…
..All WHO AGREE…
Can LOSE, “their” citizenship / membership;
(For VIOLATION of The Rules / Laws “THEY” Agreed to Abide By…” To become a citizen / member thereof…
THAT “Church, Country, Nation, Organization etc.

Loosing, “is” the Act “Loosing”, the individual.
It is a “Revocation, Revoking, no longer “Requiring” the individual “to agree”…
By, through, of… Termination of “Their Membership / Citizenship”…

Any manKIND of being…
Holding “authority” over another / including themselves…
* Person, Parent, Cleric, Nation, king, governor, CEO, physician, lawyer, employer, teacher, babysitter…etc.

Can BIND Allow / Pronounce (membership / citizenship)
AND (oversee ) the one Agreeing IS continuing TO Agree….
AND (loose / quit /stop /discharge / strip, take away, remove, revoke, excommunicate) one NOT continuing IN AGREEMENT.


The “Laws, Rules “ For another TO Join…are “Established” by the “ONE” “in charge”.

In this case…the ONE in charge IS God.
The “law, rule” a man Agrees To ( to Become a member…)
IS a man’s Heartful Confessed Belief…
That Jesus IS the Christ the Son of the Living God.


God (invisible / Heavenly Father)
Christ (Visible seen effects/ Power of God)
Jesus (visible / Word, Truth, Life, Way of God)

Binds and Loosens …that which IS and IS NOT…His.

Human manKIND are Appointed / Elected / Assume the position… TO BE in Christ the Lords “likeness”…
Like the Rock?… Yes
As the Rock?… Yes
Is the Rock?… No.
Human men are NOT appointed/ Elected/ to Become Christ the Rock / Savior.


1 Cor 10:
[4] And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

Glory to God,
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Of course catholics don't accept the authority of Jesus Christ






2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?







Yeah and Peter denied the Lord 3 times he was so "rock solid"! hlf







Nobody that has the Holy Spirit thinks that
LMBO You think you speak for Jesus.

Show me something from the first century that proves what you believe existed before the looney little monk.