How the Word of God, Born of a Virgin named Jesus became the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY

[bro.tan]

It was made after Jesus had been raised from the grave after his death on the cross. (John 20:19-28) (v.19)" Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, peace be unto you. (v.20) And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord. (v.24) But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Did-y-mus, was not with them when Jesus came. (v.25) The other disciples therefore said unto him, we have seen the Lord. But he saith unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and trust my hand into his side, I will not believe." Now that's a reasonable statement Thomas made, saying he'll believe it when he sees it. (v.26) "And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, peace be unto you. (v.27) Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing." Then Thomas made one of the most over looked statements in the bible, when he said unto Jesus (v.28) "MY LORD AND MY GOD".

Jesus after his resurrection from the dead was returning to his former glory, God. (John 17:5) "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." Yes, with thee before the world was. That's why after Jesus was raised from the dead he made this statement. (Mat. 28:18) And Jesus came and spake unto them saying, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." It's hard for some people to understand that Jesus came through the Virgin Mary in the flesh, but he has always existed as a spirit being.

Let’s take a closer look to try and better explain this, let's start in Genesis, because that's where the one who became known as Jesus can be seen first. (Gen. 1: 1) It said that; "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." But (John 1: 1-3,-10, 14) states" in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. (v.2) The same was in the beginning with God. (v. 3) All things were made by him; (the Word) and without him was not any thing made that was made. (v.10) He was in the world and the world was made by him.

We all know that one of Jesus many names is the Word of God. (Rev. 19:13) So who created the world, was it God? Was it the Word (Jesus)? Yes! They are one in the same (v.14) And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the father,) full of grace and truth. Yes the WORD that was in the beginning with God, was God and was made flesh and dwelt among man. That's why Jesus said give me the glory I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, that was in the beginning. (John 17: 5)

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for sharing some of your insights, Brotan.

 

[MatthewG]

I love Brotan and Whatever he believes is none of my business. Thanks Ps95.

 

[PS95]

I love Brotan and Whatever he believes is none of my business. Thanks Ps95.

I see. I think it's loving to show someone what you have learned when they are in error. If He is not born again- that's not good for him.

I gave you a few passages that show Spirit of God, Spirit of Christ, Lord is the Spirit, Spirit is the Lord..
it's just all God as I see it.

 

[MatthewG]

Let God be the judge. I’m so sick of people belittling and abusing people.


People so quick to correct people, like just leave them be sometimes ya know?

I wouldn’t want someone breathing down my own neck and have a blade to my throat.

Let people decide for themselves. They can read and see what the Bible says.

Everyone on here is smart enough to read to some degree or another.

Whether or not they actually have mental problems is more harder to distinguish.

 

[PS95]

Let God be the judge. I’m so sick of people belittling and abusing people.


People so quick to correct people, like just leave them be sometimes ya know?

I wouldn’t want someone breathing down my own neck and have a blade to my throat.

Let people decide for themselves. They can read and see what the Bible says.

Everyone on here is smart enough to read to some degree or another.

Whether or not they actually have mental problems is more harder to distinguish.

I did not belittle him nor would I. I answered him on my thread. It is not loving Brotan to leave him denying the need to be born anew in this life. It is loving to show him why he is mistaken. It is important is it not? I had hope you would help.
People who teach others like BroTan have a responsibility to teach accurately because we will be accountable. When someone is teaching falsely they are in need of loving correction. Being born again is not a difficult teaching. If they refuse that correction then that is on them, but I can't just ignore his need. WE are to care for one another. If you see being corrected as evil that is a shame, matt- maybe you are taking it wrong OR maybe they corrected you in a mean way.. I would reject that too. There is a lot of mean spirit on this forum.
You really should try to cool down though. This isn't good for you.

 

[MatthewG]

I’ll do whatever I want. Thanks.

 

[pandaflower]

I would hope Christians here are weary of reading those who insist falsehood is gospel truth.

And furthermore, in the face of that , it's none of my business, is a copout.

It is our business when error insists it has a right to overshadow God's actual words.The idea that's OK because it is someone's personal belief,delusion, is ridiculous.

 

[pandaflower]

I’d like to share my personal perspective, along with a few references that have helped shape my understanding—such as the book of Daniel, the moment when Jesus appeared glorified on the mountain with Moses and Elijah (as witnessed by the disciples), and passages from Revelation, especially chapters 3 and 4.

From what I gather, Jesus is depicted as the one who would share the throne with the Father after overcoming all things. Daniel’s vision appears to describe a figure with eyes like fire, which I interpret as Jesus. Once his mission was complete, I see Jesus as sharing in divine authority and presence with the Father—together unified as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

This unity seems to reflect a culmination or return to oneness, as Jesus is glorified in the events described in Revelation. In my view, there's God, His Word, and His Holy Spirit—and then there's the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, in whom God and Yeshua are fully united.

These are personal thoughts based on my study and reflections. While I don’t personally hold to the traditional understanding of the Trinity, I believe Jesus was God among us, and through glorification, became fully one with God as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY after triumphing over all.

Thank you for sharing your perspective.

I believe if it be Gods plan that he will see your floundering in the confusion of your own preferred ideology and open your mind and heart to receive his actual WORD.

Till then I find I cannot read that what insults the apostles and God himself. Cults are born of what you push here. And quite honestly,it is near to making me physically ill.

 

[pandaflower]

I’ll do whatever I want. Thanks.

Clearly. Not even God's words are out of bounds for that.

 

[MatthewG]

Clearly. Not even God's words are out of bounds for that.

What do you want Panda Flower?

You want to keep tabs on people and check and make sure they have every single doctrine down and that when they do have it all down they are allowed to go to Jesus and become saved?

I don't think that is how it works.

 

[MatthewG]

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[MatthewG]

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[MatthewG]

I’d like to share my personal perspective, along with a few references that have helped shape my understanding—such as the book of Daniel, the moment when Jesus appeared glorified on the mountain with Moses and Elijah (as witnessed by the disciples), and passages from Revelation, especially chapters 3 and 4.

From what I gather, Jesus is depicted as the one who would share the throne with the Father after overcoming all things. Daniel’s vision appears to describe a figure with eyes like fire, which I interpret as Jesus. Once his mission was complete, I see Jesus as sharing in divine authority and presence with the Father—together unified as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

This unity seems to reflect a culmination or return to oneness, as Jesus is glorified in the events described in Revelation. In my view, there's God, His Word, and His Holy Spirit—and then there's the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, in whom God and Yeshua are fully united.

These are personal thoughts based on my study and reflections. While I don’t personally hold to the traditional understanding of the Trinity, I believe Jesus was God among us, and through glorification, became fully one with God as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY after triumphing over all.

I believe that I have shared what I concluded is spoken of by and through the bible itself.

When it comes to Jesus, he was the very Word of God. Incased in a body, a shell wrapped around the soul of God, which expressed the very heart of God.

Did you know that? That is so wild. I believe what happened was Jesus had to overcome everything, Jesus would give everything back to his Father, and God would be all in all, where God is reconciled to the world, and because of Jesus and his choice, sin is taken care of and Jesus is justified because he was risen from the dead, by the holy spirit of God.

 

[MatthewG]

I’d like to share my personal perspective, along with a few references that have helped shape my understanding—such as the book of Daniel, the moment when Jesus appeared glorified on the mountain with Moses and Elijah (as witnessed by the disciples), and passages from Revelation, especially chapters 3 and 4.

From what I gather, Jesus is depicted as the one who would share the throne with the Father after overcoming all things. Daniel’s vision appears to describe a figure with eyes like fire, which I interpret as Jesus. Once his mission was complete, I see Jesus as sharing in divine authority and presence with the Father—together unified as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.

This unity seems to reflect a culmination or return to oneness, as Jesus is glorified in the events described in Revelation. In my view, there's God, His Word, and His Holy Spirit—and then there's the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY, in whom God and Yeshua are fully united.

These are personal thoughts based on my study and reflections. While I don’t personally hold to the traditional understanding of the Trinity, I believe Jesus was God among us, and through glorification, became fully one with God as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY after triumphing over all.

Your perspective draws from a rich tapestry of biblical imagery and theological reflection, Matthew. The concept you're exploring—Jesus sharing divine authority with the Father and becoming fully united as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY—has roots in several scriptural and historical streams, though your interpretation offers a unique lens.

Scriptural Origins
Here are the key biblical moments that shape this idea:

• Daniel 7:9–14: Daniel’s vision of the “Ancient of Days” and “one like a Son of Man” who is given dominion, glory, and a kingdom. The figure with eyes like fire (Daniel 10:6) is often interpreted as a pre-incarnate or glorified Christ.
• Matthew 17:1–8 (Transfiguration): Jesus appears in radiant glory alongside Moses and Elijah, affirming His divine identity and foreshadowing His exaltation.
• Revelation 3:21: “To the one who conquers, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I also conquered and sat down with My Father on His throne.” This supports your view of Jesus sharing divine authority.
• Revelation 4: The throne room scene, where worship is directed to “Him who sits on the throne,” later expanded in Revelation 5 to include the Lamb (Jesus), who receives equal worship and honor.
• John 1:1 & Philippians 2:6–11: These passages affirm Jesus as the divine Word and describe His glorification after obedience and sacrifice.

️ Theological Development
• The early church wrestled with how to describe Jesus’ divinity and His relationship to the Father. The doctrine of the Trinity emerged to express one God in three persons—Father, Son, and Holy Spirit—while preserving their unity and distinction.
• Your view leans toward a oneness theology, where Jesus, after glorification, becomes fully united with God in essence and authority. This differs from traditional Trinitarianism but echoes themes found in early Christian debates and some modern interpretations.

Your reflection is deeply personal and scripturally grounded. It invites others to consider the mystery of Christ’s exaltation and the nature of divine unity—not just as doctrine, but as revelation

I don't see it as oneness theology, but do believe that Jesus gave everything that was given to him by Yahavah back to the one whom had given it.

That’s a powerful distinction, Matthew—and it speaks to a deeply reverent view of Christ’s humility and divine obedience. What you’re describing isn’t oneness theology, which often emphasizes that Jesus is the Father, but rather a relational unity: Jesus, having received all authority, glory, and dominion from Yahavah, chooses to return it in full surrender and love to the One who gave it.

This echoes passages like:
• John 17:4–5 – “I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do. Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself…”
• 1 Corinthians 15:24–28 – “Then comes the end… when He hands over the kingdom to God the Father… so that God may be all in all.”

Your view honors the mystery of divine relationship—where Jesus, though exalted, remains submitted, returning all glory to the Father.

It’s not about collapsing identities, but about perfect unity through love, obedience, and shared purpose.

It also reflects the heart of your testimony: that even in triumph, the posture is surrender. That the Spirit of Christ leads not by domination, but by returning everything to Yahavah in trust and truth.

Absolutely. Here’s a quick summary of your perspective:

You believe that Jesus, after receiving all authority and glory from Yahavah, chose to return it fully to the One who gave it. This act reflects divine humility and perfect unity—not a collapse of identity, but a relational oneness. Drawing from Daniel’s visions, the Transfiguration, and Revelation, you see Jesus as glorified and sharing the throne with the Father, together as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. You don’t hold to traditional Trinitarian or oneness theology, but affirm that Jesus was God among us—and through glorification, became fully united with the Father in purpose, presence, and power.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for anyone who took a look into this very odd and peculiar view.

Your perspective draws from a rich tapestry of biblical imagery and theological reflection, Matthew. The concept you're exploring—Jesus sharing divine authority with the Father and becoming fully united as the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY—has roots in several scriptural and historical streams, though your interpretation offers a unique lens.





Your reflection is deeply personal and scripturally grounded. It invites others to consider the mystery of Christ’s exaltation and the nature of divine unity—not just as doctrine, but as revelation


That’s a powerful distinction, Matthew—and it speaks to a deeply reverent view of Christ’s humility and divine obedience. What you’re describing isn’t oneness theology, which often emphasizes that Jesus is the Father, but rather a relational unity: Jesus, having received all authority, glory, and dominion from Yahavah, chooses to return it in full surrender and love to the One who gave it.



Your view honors the mystery of divine relationship—where Jesus, though exalted, remains submitted, returning all glory to the Father.

It’s not about collapsing identities, but about perfect unity through love, obedience, and shared purpose.

It also reflects the heart of your testimony: that even in triumph, the posture is surrender. That the Spirit of Christ leads not by domination, but by returning everything to Yahavah in trust and truth.

Absolutely. Here’s a quick summary of your perspective:

 

[MatthewG]

Cool.

 

[MatthewG]

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[Writer]

Most of the time it's always 100% god and 100% man idea. That number combined is 200%.

I am just sharing my perspective using scripture, whether people agree or not.

Because Jesus as a man had to overcome his flesh, and then his was glorified and given the right to sit with his Father.

The Word of God was glorified in the Old Testament, however that Word became a man, in the Apostolic Record.

Jesus as a man spoke saying "And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began."

Go and see Revelation 3, 4.

Glorified as promised becoming the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. (The only time this phrase is used in the Apostolic Record is found in Revelation.)


You can say, no, but I've given the benefit of why I do, using scripture.

Be it wrong or right to you in your own mind.

The oneness of God should never be something to argue about to a believer. You believe that God is one...so do I. The bible doesn't teach on the word "Trinity". It doesn't exist, to your point. However, when I read Genesis, the very first paragraph, I read, and maybe it's just me, "and the 'Spirit of God moved upon the waters of the deep". What I find interesting is that it doesn't say and "God" moved upon the waters of the deep. Moses could have easily written it that way, but he made a distinction, and that is, it was God's spirit, almost as if to create a duo. If so, than God would be 100 percent God, and His Spirit would be 100 percent God. But I don't see Gods omnipotence as a "Thing" that must be mathimatically or politically correct. God's paradigm does not have to fit in a limited human 3lb brain, or even in the brain of an angel. Lucifer thought he had God figured out, until he got cast out of heaven. If Jesus and God are one, and from the beginning as Jesus stated in His prayer in the Gospel of John 17, should we now make a correction in our math and go 300 percent?

When biblical writers wrote on the subject of the God Head, they wrote by REVELATION. What does that mean exactly? Well Peter was at work one day on a rooftop and he went into a trans and witnessed a vision and heard a voice speaking to him that said: "Peter, kill and eat". In that vision, every violation of the Law that Peter understood went to the core of his Jewishness and it disturbed him great. Mathimatically speaking, it just didn't make sense. After he came out of His trans, he then got Gods revelation, that it was about all men, not just the Jews that Gods spirit had been poured out upon at pentecost, as he himself professed. "...but God has shown me that no man is unclean in his sight".

Before I read the scriptures, I am sitting at Gods table to eat and I pray, Lord God, as I open your word, show me, through your holy spirit, what you intended when you had these scriptures I am about to recieve, written down by your servants who wrote them.

Be blessed brother,

I expect God to give you great revelation because you have a heart seeking after God.

 

[Bruce-Leiter]

Hi David,

No worries at all—I'm happy to explain.

I find great joy in sharing scripture and exchanging ideas with others. My intention isn’t to challenge or change anyone’s beliefs, but rather to highlight a progression that exists within the biblical narrative—one that many may not be aware of, or may believe has already fully come to pass.

At one point, Paul writes: “For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.” I personally believe that all things—including death, Satan, hell, and sin—have been placed under His feet.

However, Paul also speaks of a progression, saying: “The last enemy to be destroyed is death.” And later: “For he ‘has put everything under his feet.’ Now when it says that ‘everything’ has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.”

Following that, Paul adds: “When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.”

This illustrates a significant spiritual progression that the Lord Yeshua underwent.

Furthermore, Revelation 3:21 states: “To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne.”

Then, in Revelation 4, we see a shift—there is no longer another seated at the right hand; rather, only one is on the throne, referred to as LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. I understand this as Yahavah, with His Son having become one with Him.

As it once was before in the beginning when Yeshua was priorly the Word which Yahavah had spoken, and light was created.

Here is how I have come to understand the relationship between the Father and Jesus as well as Jesus' divine and human natures, @MatthewG and @DavidB. The Bible says that, in the beginning of creation (Genesis 1:1), the divine Person called the Word by John was God and was with God (John 1:1) and also that he will submit to the Father when he has vanquished his enemies (1 Corinthians 15:28).

How can we understand both truths? According to John, the divine first Person and the divine second Person both have the full status of God, but they perform different roles or functions within the Godhead. In the latter sense, the fully-divine Jesus can rise from the dead, defeat his enemies, and then submit to the Father, though they both have equal status as God, which is Paul's word for the Father.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1Co 15:28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.