Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Eternally Grateful]

Some folks choose what parts of God's words they will accept and believe. They rationalize their choice to do so.

yes. Amen and Amen

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I'm not speaking lies.

When someone rephrases what God teaches,they're lying.

or making Jesus lie

 

[GodsGrace]

Just more deflection? Well, you're consistent, at least...



Why was Paul writing the above to the Christians at Corinth? Because they were living after the manner of people who had been washed, sanctified and justified by the Holy Spirit (vs. 11)? Obviously, if they had been, Paul's remarks here would not have been necessary. And so, he wonders at their apparent ignorance concerning their sinful living, asking the believers at Corinth if they were unaware that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God. He'd already scolded them for being "carnal babes in Christ," partisan and divisive believers fighting over which spiritual leader was greatest (chapter 3), and he'd rebuked them for allowing gross sexual sin in their midst and actually being puffed up about it (chapter 5).

Given the infamy of Corinth, its reputation for temple prostitution, and knowing that those in the church at Corinth had formerly participated in the wickedness of Corinth's many pagan temple rites, Paul takes pains to explain why continuing in such sin was forbidden to Spirit-indwelt believers. Paul writes to the believers at Corinth, however, in a way that strongly implies that, though truly born-again, they were still involved in sexual sin:

1 Corinthians 6:15-20
Do you not know that your bodies are parts of Christ? Shall I then take away the parts of Christ and make them parts of a prostitute? Far from it!
16 Or do you not know that the one who joins himself to a prostitute is one body with her? For He says, “The two shall become one flesh.”
17 But the one who joins himself to the Lord is one spirit with Him.
18 Flee sexual immorality. Every other sin that a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.
19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?
20 For you have been bought for a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

Obviously, Paul is making this explanation to the believers at Corinth because they were not living as those who had been "bought with a price" and made "temples of the Holy Spirit." Certainly, Paul's remarks in chapters 3 and 5 make this very clear. What's pertinent to the thread in all this, though, is that Paul has indicated that Christians can - and do - live in gross sin. Despite their sin, Paul addresses the Corinthian believers as "brethren," God's "field and building," those who "belong to Christ," "temples of the Holy Spirit," and so on. As far as Paul was concerned, the deep sin of the Christians at Corinth had not dissolved their salvation.

But this defies your contention, @GodsGrace, that Christians MUST not sin or their salvation is forfeit.

Excuse me Kokyu
I NEVER said that Christians MUST not sin or their salvation is forfeited.

Apparently, some on these forums don't understand obedience, sinning, or maybe not much else about what Jesus taught.

And because your contention is glaringly in error, @GodsGrace, Paul spends much of his first letter to the sinning believers at Corinth instructing them about what they should and should not, be doing.

Agreed.
So why don't YOU do the same?

All of this also highlights the unanswerable problem that the works-salvation crowd has: How much sin dissolves one's salvation?

10 years now of hearing this nonsense.
What a strawman!!

How about sticking to the question at hand.

Is it necessary to obey God AFTER we become saved??

It would just need a simple YES...but no....we've been debating this for post after post.
So apparently you don't believe obedience is important.

Though the believer's at Corinth were guilty of quite awful sin, Paul still considered them brethren. But, given the moral standard you've been equivocating about, @GodsGrace, you seem to be indicating that these believers could NOT have been saved:

1. I have NEVER given a moral standard.
2. I have NEVER stated anyone is not saved.

"...those that DO NOT obey God WILL forfeit their salvation."

"...Christians that do NOT obey the Moral Law will not be seeing heaven."

"To remain in Christ means to obey Him and further the Kingdom of God by bearing fruit."

"Faith, without good works, is a DEAD faith.
A dead faith
is
No faith.

No faith.
No salvation."

"Satan's greatest lie is that we could disobey God and still be saved.

Those who believe in God will be saved....
Those who do not obey God will see the wrath of God.
John 3.36"

All of these statements above that you made @GodsGrace, Paul has defied, calling those guilty of gross, persistent sin "brethren," and "in Christ" and "temples of the Holy Spirit." Who has the wrong end of the stick in this matter of sin and salvation? The second greatest contributor to the NT? I think not.

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[GodsGrace]

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Where is the scripture?
Please provide scripture.
Thanks.

Jesus said it is possible to STOP abiding in Him
Do you believe Jesus?

John 15:5
5 “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit; apart from me you can do nothing.


Question:
Why would Jesus say IF someone remains in Him?

If denotes a choice.

And so, recognizing the indefensibility of your statements above, you equivocate on them:

"What a strawman argument!
Who EVER said anything about being perfect??"

"So if you teach that we don't really need to obey God....
because, gee, that would mean we'd have to be perfect (strawman used by many on these forums)"

It's just bald-faced gaslighting to write what you have above, making unequivocal, unqualified statements like "...those that DO NOT obey God WILL forfeit their salvation" and "...Christians that do NOT obey the Moral Law will not be seeing heaven," then making out like you didn't, claiming your opponents are just Strawmanning you.

Here, let's try again.
THOSE THAT DO NOT OBEY God....
will forfeit their salvation.

Those that do NOT obey the Moral Law will not be seeing heaven.

Here is what Paul taugth:

Romans 8:9-13
9 You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.
10 But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness.
11 And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.
12 Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it.
13 For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.


Romans 2:5-8
5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.
6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”
7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.
8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.


2 Corinthians 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.


I'd like to read some verses that state that we will be saved even if we do not obey God.
This would settle the debate.

Your equivocation on works-salvation highlights how impossible it is to take the radical line you do against OSAS. You've stated that disobedience to God's law forfeits one's salvation but you have no idea how much obedience is enough to retain one's salvation, or how much disobedience unsaves a person.

Strawman.
Please stick to the topic at hand.
No one is perfect.
God knows if one is disobedient.
God will be the judge.
God will not be mocked.

You know perfection is impossible, though you frame your statements as though perfection is the standard;

Strawman AND incorrect interpretation of my posts.
WHEN did I EVER say that perfection is the standard?

Do YOU know anyone that is perfect before God?

so, then, how much imperfection results in one's salvation being lost? Tell us where the line is. Have you crossed it? How do you know if you have, or haven't? God's standard is perfection. What's yours?

Matthew 5:48
48 Therefore you shall be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

Matthew 5:48
Cute.

Why post Matthew 5:28?
Do you not understand what it means??

 

[GodsGrace]

I like romans 4 one of the many passages I gave to @GodsGrace that she will not even acknowledge

4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father[a] has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

Paul made it clear. God imputes righteousness, while not imputing sign (charging to the persons account) based on Faith, not works.

if we read the account in Gen 15. Abrams faith at that time (he was not named abraham yet) had a weak faith. He questioned God. what heir for I have non)

Minutes later, He believed God and because of this faith, sin was not imputed, but righteousness was.

EG
I won't be posting to you anymore.
Hearing from you that I do not reply to your posts is MOST TIRING.

I spent almost an hour replying to a post of yours on here that I had already replied to at least two other times but which you deny.

So, since my time is precious...
etc.

 

[pandaflower]

Only God knows why those who insist on corrupting Gods words think it will upset Christians when they decide to ignore us.

 

[pandaflower]

Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.

 

[pandaflower]

EG
I won't be posting to you anymore.
Hearing from you that I do not reply to your posts is MOST TIRING.

I spent almost an hour replying to a post of yours on here that I had already replied to at least two other times but which you deny.

So, since my time is precious...
etc.

Proverbs 30:6
Do not add to his words, lest he rebuke you and you be found a liar.

 

[GodsGrace]

No, he corrected their bad conduct so that they could enjoy fellowship with God, more and more. It's this fellowship with God that is the point, after all, of being His child.

1 Corinthians 1:9
9 God is faithful, through whom you were called into fellowship with His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

2 Corinthians 13:14
14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

1 John 1:3
3 what we have seen and heard we proclaim to you also, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father, and with His Son Jesus Christ.

Revelation 3:20
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

Psalm 36:7-9
7 How precious is Your mercy, God!
And the sons of mankind take refuge in the shadow of Your wings.
8 They drink their fill of the abundance of Your house;
And You allow them to drink from the river of Your delights.
9 For the fountain of life is with You;
In Your light we see light.

In sinning, born-again believers never risk their salvation since it is rests entirely in Jesus, not themselves.

Here we have it K.
No need for me to post anything further to you.
You have corrupted the NT and are teaching demonic doctrine to new Christians.


Here is what you've stated just above:

"In sinning, born-again believers never risk their salvation since it is rests entirely in Jesus, not themselves. "


According to you a born again believer can be SINNING and NEVER RISK their salvation.

Then can we say that we should sin more so that grace may abound?
MAY IT NEVER BE!

That was Paul...
your hero.
Romans 6:1- 2
1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?


Whom you apparently do not trust.


Good night.
May God have mercy on those that make such statements.


1 Timothy 1:19
19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith.


1 Timothy 4:1
1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.


2 Timothy 4:3
3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.



Fellowship?

Jesus didn't come here to teach us how to have "fellowship" with God.
Jesus came to teach us how to get to heaven.

But they always suffer the loss of the excellence of fellowship with God when they sin. This is the terrible consequence of their sin. Unfortunately, few Christians these days actually know anything of direct, personal, life-changing fellowship with God. They are caught up, instead, with the sort of impossible moralism that you describe, @GodsGrace and have no idea how great is the loss of fellowship with their glorious Maker.



I have. Many times. But, as you demonstrate here, you've been filtering my posts through the lens of your imagination, assumptions and doctrinal prejudice to such a degree that you cannot actually see what I've been writing. This should disturb you since it's the same thing you've been doing with God's word. And to much the same effect.



See? Here again you've totally ignored what my point was. Did you not understand it? Or are you just feigning obtuseness in an attempt to deflect from a challenge that you can't answer? As I showed, it is obvious in Romans 2 that Paul was speaking to law-keeping Jews within the framework of the Old Covenant, not Christians. His remarks in the chapter, then, cannot be legitimately applied to born-again believers as you tried to do.



Deflection. If you've got no good answer, just say so. This off-point reply is as obvious in its deflecting purpose as the sun is obvious in the sky.



??? You can do as you like. I don't need to respond to what Jesus said, and to who, in the manner you propose here. His words offer no difficulty whatever to what I believe about the eternal security of the believer. This should suggest to you that your thinking on salvation is awry.



No, you don't understand my view well at all. Which is why there are so many examples in our exchange of you misrepresenting/misunderstanding what my view is. It's fine to disagree with my view - but only if you actually know what it is, which you regularly demonstrate that you don't.



But I didn't write this. Your description here of my statments reveals only your own distortion of what I wrote. You've just assumed - wrongly - that my remark must mean what you assert here that it does. But what I wrote by no means necessitates that I think Jesus died only for those who came after his sacrifice on the cross. Again, this is just another of your prejudicial distortions of my view.



Nope. Look it up. Or remain ignorant. Your choice.



I don't think you know what Theology 101 actually is, @GodsGrace. Your posts in this thread have made this very clear.



No, not "anything"; only my view (and a great deal of basic Christian doctrine, too). This sort of hyperbolic misrepresentation of what I wrote doesn't help your cause, or your reasoning, any.



See? Just more mischaracterization. I've only said that good works are not necessary to being saved. This, Scripture states explicitly and repeatedly, as I've already shown from Scripture in past posts. But obedience to God is necessary to fellowship with Him. There is, in fact, a direct correlation between the believer's obedience to God and the depth of their direct, intimate communion with Him.



No, you're the one writing the above, not Jesus. The line of reasoning you've laid out is yours, not his. And for the many biblical reasons I've given in my posts in this thread, your conclusion is grossly false - and obnoxious.

I'M the one writing the above?
I didn't even comment.

Here is what I posted which you claim is ME saying it and not Jesus.
Incredible.

John 14:15
15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

You have no idea what the character of my life is. None.

Did I say I cared about YOU personally?

Quite frankly, you ought to be ashamed of yourself for writing such a thing. Goodness. How far into unChristlike behavior your error has made you go!

Again,,,you're referring to John 14:15

But I don't teach this. You IMAGINE or ASSUME this, but it is not what I actually believe, or teach.



Do you honestly believe this sort of rhetorical "lawyering," is going to persuade anyone that you're right and I'm wrong? It's been very... interesting watching you Strawman, jump to conclusions, equivocate, eisegete, gaslight, employ secondhand ad hominem ("Jesus says this, not me") and then project many of these things onto those critical of your view. What's even more interesting, I think, is how much in denial of these things you are. In this, you demonstrate a very...biblical sort of blindness.

I'm not here to prove I'm right.
I'm here to post for those reading along that may be a new Christian and who might be taken away from the teachings of Jesus by those who teach that obedience is not important because we will remain saved anyway.

Terrible teaching.

Here is what happens to those that go back to sinning and do not continue to abide in Christ:.

2 Peter 2:20-22 §they RETURN to their vomit
20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

 

[pandaflower]

Here we have it K.
No need for me to post anything further to you.
You have corrupted the NT and are teaching demonic doctrine to new Christians.


Here is what you've stated just above:

"In sinning, born-again believers never risk their salvation since it is rests entirely in Jesus, not themselves. "


According to you a born again believer can be SINNING and NEVER RISK their salvation.

Then can we say that we should sin more so that grace may abound?
MAY IT NEVER BE!

That was Paul...
your hero.
Romans 6:1- 2
1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?


Whom you apparently do not trust.


Good night.
May God have mercy on those that make such statements.


1 Timothy 1:19
19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith.


1 Timothy 4:1
1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.


2 Timothy 4:3
3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.



Fellowship?

Jesus didn't come here to teach us how to have "fellowship" with God.
Jesus came to teach us how to get to heaven.







I'M the one writing the above?
I didn't even comment.

Here is what I posted which you claim is ME saying it and not Jesus.
Incredible.

John 14:15
15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

Did I say I cared about YOU personally?


Again,,,you're referring to John 14:15


I'm not here to prove I'm right.
I'm here to post for those reading along that may be a new Christian and who might be taken away from the teachings of Jesus by those who teach that obedience is not important because we will remain saved anyway.

Terrible teaching.

Here is what happens to those that go back to sinning and do not continue to abide in Christ:.

2 Peter 2:20-22 §they RETURN to their vomit
20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

Are they, @GodsGrace , allowed to personally attack @Kokyu like that? "Teaching demonic doctrine", and the other accusations there?

Outrageous.

 

[MatthewG]

Here we have it K.
No need for me to post anything further to you.
You have corrupted the NT and are teaching demonic doctrine to new Christians.


Here is what you've stated just above:

"In sinning, born-again believers never risk their salvation since it is rests entirely in Jesus, not themselves. "


According to you a born again believer can be SINNING and NEVER RISK their salvation.

Then can we say that we should sin more so that grace may abound?
MAY IT NEVER BE!

That was Paul...
your hero.
Romans 6:1- 2
1 What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase?
2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?


Whom you apparently do not trust.


Good night.
May God have mercy on those that make such statements.


1 Timothy 1:19
19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and so have suffered shipwreck with regard to the faith.


1 Timothy 4:1
1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.


2 Timothy 4:3
3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.



Fellowship?

Jesus didn't come here to teach us how to have "fellowship" with God.
Jesus came to teach us how to get to heaven.







I'M the one writing the above?
I didn't even comment.

Here is what I posted which you claim is ME saying it and not Jesus.
Incredible.

John 14:15
15 "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

Did I say I cared about YOU personally?


Again,,,you're referring to John 14:15


I'm not here to prove I'm right.
I'm here to post for those reading along that may be a new Christian and who might be taken away from the teachings of Jesus by those who teach that obedience is not important because we will remain saved anyway.

Terrible teaching.

Here is what happens to those that go back to sinning and do not continue to abide in Christ:.

2 Peter 2:20-22 §they RETURN to their vomit
20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.
21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them.
22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, "A DOG RETURNS TO ITS OWN VOMIT," and, "A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire."

I remember the days I would cry to God not to send me to hell…

But when I finally grew up and figured out my sins were taken care of I knew in the moments I really “f’d up” those were the moments I went to God in repentance…

Help me not to be like that Lord cause my flesh will rip and tear into people if I let it.


I don’t repent much until the flesh gets me and I knew I shouldn’t have went that way about with someone those are the times I repent now…

When I’m mean and hateful, but Jesus has taken care of those faults even when they come out again.


Those are my weaknesses I can’t stand people sometimes. I can’t even stand my own self but in Christ there is Joy there is content in having peace with God.

 

[MatthewG]

I remember the days I would cry to God not to send me to hell…

But when I finally grew up and figured out my sins were taken care of I knew in the moments I really “f’d up” those were the moments I went to God in repentance…

Help me not to be like that Lord cause my flesh will rip and tear into people if I let it.


I don’t repent much until the flesh gets me and I knew I shouldn’t have went that way about with someone those are the times I repent now…

When I’m mean and hateful, but Jesus has taken care of those faults even when they come out again.


Those are my weaknesses I can’t stand people sometimes. I can’t even stand my own self but in Christ there is Joy there is content in having peace with God.

People will never bring peace they will only bring division, most out of 95% of the time…

But Jesus does. That’s amazing.

I can’t even love properly like he can but he can through those who seek him…

All the best @GodsGrace

 

[nedsk]

Only God knows why those who insist on corrupting Gods words think it will upset Christians when they decide to ignore us.

The assumption being you have the authoritative understanding of God's word. You need to show your credentials. Please dont say you went to a "bible" college

 

[GodsGrace]

I remember the days I would cry to God not to send me to hell…

But when I finally grew up and figured out my sins were taken care of I knew in the moments I really “f’d up” those were the moments I went to God in repentance…

Help me not to be like that Lord cause my flesh will rip and tear into people if I let it.


I don’t repent much until the flesh gets me and I knew I shouldn’t have went that way about with someone those are the times I repent now…

When I’m mean and hateful, but Jesus has taken care of those faults even when they come out again.


Those are my weaknesses I can’t stand people sometimes. I can’t even stand my own self but in Christ there is Joy there is content in having peace with God.

Do you teach on these forums that it's OK to mess up?
Do you teach that living a life of sin is OK since one will be saved NO MATTER WHAT?

THIS attitude is what I'm addressing here.
You may not fall into this category.

I always ask this simple question....
and sometimes the reply goes on for paragraphs because it is not accepted.

Here's the question:
IS IT NECESSARY TO OBEY GOD AFTER ONE BECOMES BORN AGAIN?

I say YES.
What do you say?

 

[GodsGrace]

People will never bring peace they will only bring division, most out of 95% of the time…

But Jesus does. That’s amazing.

I can’t even love properly like he can but he can through those who seek him…

All the best @GodsGrace

Jesus said He didn't come to bring peace.
Why?
Because some post ideas that will lead many straight to the other place.
The bible tells the truth.
The truth is that we are to obey what Jesus said.

To give the impression that one could NOT obey God and still be saved is a lie that will lead many astray.

Jeremiah 50:6
6 "My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. They have made them turn aside on the mountains; They have gone along from mountain to hill And have forgotten their resting place.

MY people have become lost sheep.


2 Peter 2:1
1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Many false prophets today.


1 John 4:1
1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

All the NT writers warn us of false teachers.


And Jesus said:

Matthew 7:15-21
15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
17 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot * produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.


Are those who teach OSAS teaching the word of God?
Do they bring forth good fruit, posting on these forums that it's not really necessary to obey God?
No.
I suggest we obey Jesus and do what HE taught.

 

[MatthewG]

Do you teach on these forums that it's OK to mess up?
Do you teach that living a life of sin is OK since one will be saved NO MATTER WHAT?

THIS attitude is what I'm addressing here.
You may not fall into this category.

I always ask this simple question....
and sometimes the reply goes on for paragraphs because it is not accepted.

Here's the question:
IS IT NECESSARY TO OBEY GOD AFTER ONE BECOMES BORN AGAIN?

I say YES.
What do you say?

Jesus said He didn't come to bring peace.
Why?
Because some post ideas that will lead many straight to the other place.
The bible tells the truth.
The truth is that we are to obey what Jesus said.

To give the impression that one could NOT obey God and still be saved is a lie that will lead many astray.

Jeremiah 50:6
6 "My people have become lost sheep; Their shepherds have led them astray. They have made them turn aside on the mountains; They have gone along from mountain to hill And have forgotten their resting place.

MY people have become lost sheep.


2 Peter 2:1
1But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

Many false prophets today.


1 John 4:1
1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

All the NT writers warn us of false teachers.


And Jesus said:

Matthew 7:15-21
15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
17 "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 "A good tree cannot * produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
19 "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.


Are those who teach OSAS teaching the word of God?
Do they bring forth good fruit, posting on these forums that it's not really necessary to obey God?
No.
I suggest we obey Jesus and do what HE taught.

I don't care what people share on these forums. We all reap what we sow.


I do worry about people whom are mandated over and are not allowed to have any freedom of expression what so ever...

But that is about it.

 

[MatthewG]

@GodsGrace

I don't do any saving what so ever. That is all on God.

 

[GodsGrace]

I don't care what people share on these forums. We all reap what we sow.

You should care.
Do you realize how many read these posts?
Most read and don't reply.
You should check it out.
Writing on here is like witnessing or testifying.

If you believe that we reap what we sow...
how about posting what the NT teaches?
It seems to me that Jesus did not teach the new ideas that are wrecking Christianity.

I do worry about people whom are mandated over and are not allowed to have any freedom of expression what so ever...

Who is "mandating" over you?
Are we SUPPOSED to be mandated over?
Are we allowed to do what we want to do?
WHO is muffling anyone's ideas?

WHAT is freedom of expression according to you?
Does Christianity have a set of rules or do we each make up our own Christianity?

If we each make up our own Christianity,,,,
then it will cease to exist.

If we each have our own truth...
THERE IS NO TRUTH.

 

[GodsGrace]

@GodsGrace

I don't do any saving what so ever. That is all on God.

LOL
YOU don't save persons.
God does.

But you could reflect what Jesus taught.

 

[MatthewG]

You should care.
Do you realize how many read these posts?
Most read and don't reply.
You should check it out.
Writing on here is like witnessing or testifying.

If you believe that we reap what we sow...
how about posting what the NT teaches?
It seems to me that Jesus did not teach the new ideas that are wrecking Christianity.

Who is "mandating" over you?
Are we SUPPOSED to be mandated over?
Are we allowed to do what we want to do?
WHO is muffling anyone's ideas?

WHAT is freedom of expression according to you?
Does Christianity have a set of rules or do we each make up our own Christianity?

If we each make up our own Christianity,,,,
then it will cease to exist.

If we each have our own truth...
THERE IS NO TRUTH.

LOL
YOU don't save persons.
God does.

But you could reflect what Jesus taught.

Kay. I ain't worry about anything. Jesus told us not to worry.