When Christ returns, we shall all be changed, including heaven and earth, actually all things are changed out for something better.

[ScottA]

The "end" of what? Scripture please.

To elaborate...the end is the end of the world, yes, but what is foretold is that it is preceded by "time no longer" (Revelation 10:6). Which most have misunderstood to mean the end of the world--which is not the message, for it is followed by the "finish" of "the mystery of God...as He declared to His servants the prophets." Which is after "He who...restrains...is taken out of the way" (2 Thessalonians 2:7), and the revealing of those things before sealed, spoken of by Daniel and John--fulfilling the promise of Christ that we would be lead unto all truth.

Contrary to what most believe about "time no longer"--it is the key, the missing component that reconciles all the truth given under restraint in the scriptures. It's quite simple, but is unnatural and therefore has remained a mystery of God. It is the truth that only comes when "time" is "no longer" the measure of Godly matters--which means, everything but history. History, wherein the scriptures were given was the restraint made by God. Take away the time-component from the key scriptures...and everything is revealed according to the measure of God, rather than the measure of this world.

All of which was not to come until the seventh angel is about to sound. This is that time. And the sounding of the seventh angel is the end, the end of the world, for all will have been fulfilled.

Which is given to me to declare, as it is written.

 

[HappyOma]

To elaborate...the end is the end of the world

Peter wrote about the "end"--the end of THEIR world, , that is, the world of the Old Covenant and Mosaic Age. He stated: "The end of ALL things is AT HAND" (1 Peter 4:7). The end was near in Peter's own day. There is no "end of the world." Jesus spoke about this in Matthew 13 when dealing with the Unpardonable sin. He said that it would not be forgiven "either in this age or in the age ABOUT TO COME." That is the question His discipes asked Him in Matthew 24 (Mark 13; Luke 21). They did NOT ask about the end of the "world" but, rather, about the end of the AGE. Jesus and those of that generation were living in the "this age." The age that was THEN about to come was the Messianic Age of the New Covenant. It was fully instituted when the the "old heavens and earth" of the Old Covenant was removed--in A. D. 70. Everything related to THAT age came to an end when the Temple and the holy city were destroyed! THAT was the end of THEIR world. The physical world does not end. We must understand OT, prophetic language.

Considering 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul and those of his day knew the "man of sin." THEY knew the restrainer. It was someone/something of THEIR own day and not of ours. Context!

John was shown those things which were to SHORTLY take place. He was told to NOT seal up the vision because the time was NEAR for its fulfillment (Rev. 1:1, 3; 22:6, 10). That vision that was about to be fulfilled in John's day very much included Revelation 10:6.
Most of the major translations of this verse render it as "there shall be no more delay." They have done so not because of the term used itself (xronos) but because of the context. This is the "time of the end" spoken of by Daniel when the "power of the holy people" would be "completely shattered." That end was near in John's day. There would be no delay in its coming.l

 

[HappyOma]

What are the scriptures but an echo of His voice, that you may know when He speaks and not just any man? Learn them.

The end of the world.

There is NO "end of the world," Sdott. The Bible speak of the "time of the end." Big difference. Peter placed the timing of that "time of the end" in his own day. He wrote that it was THEN near. "The END of ALL THINGS is AT HAND" (1 Peter 4:7). How much clearer could he have stated it?

 

[ScottA]

Peter wrote about the "end"--the end of THEIR world, , that is, the world of the Old Covenant and Mosaic Age. He stated: "The end of ALL things is AT HAND" (1 Peter 4:7). The end was near in Peter's own day. There is no "end of the world." Jesus spoke about this in Matthew 13 when dealing with the Unpardonable sin. He said that it would not be forgiven "either in this age or in the age ABOUT TO COME." That is the question His discipes asked Him in Matthew 24 (Mark 13; Luke 21). They did NOT ask about the end of the "world" but, rather, about the end of the AGE. Jesus and those of that generation were living in the "this age." The age that was THEN about to come was the Messianic Age of the New Covenant. It was fully instituted when the the "old heavens and earth" of the Old Covenant was removed--in A. D. 70. Everything related to THAT age came to an end when the Temple and the holy city were destroyed! THAT was the end of THEIR world. The physical world does not end. We must understand OT, prophetic language.

Considering 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul and those of his day knew the "man of sin." THEY knew the restrainer. It was someone/something of THEIR own day and not of ours. Context!

John was shown those things which were to SHORTLY take place. He was told to NOT seal up the vision because the time was NEAR for its fulfillment (Rev. 1:1, 3; 22:6, 10). That vision that was about to be fulfilled in John's day very much included Revelation 10:6.
Most of the major translations of this verse render it as "there shall be no more delay." They have done so not because of the term used itself (xronos) but because of the context. This is the "time of the end" spoken of by Daniel when the "power of the holy people" would be "completely shattered." That end was near in John's day. There would be no delay in its coming.l

There is NO "end of the world," Sdott. The Bible speak of the "time of the end." Big difference. Peter placed the timing of that "time of the end" in his own day. He wrote that it was THEN near. "The END of ALL THINGS is AT HAND" (1 Peter 4:7). How much clearer could he have stated it?

First, this is not a discussion. I have not been saying what I merely believe, but clarifying what is true, and yet was not to be revealed until the seventh angel is about to sound. This is that time. And it is appointed to me to declare it as I have. Before which, such things were not revealed--nor even available, but sealed, not to be "finished" until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled--until now, before the sounding of the seventh angel.

But no, you misunderstand. That generation of Christ, was indeed the time of the End--and also the Beginning. Christ is both, and that was His time. Yet contrary to what most have believed, from the beginning, from Adam, "all things" (as Peter said) unfolded unto Messiah, then refold unto God during these times that were to follow. Then comes the end.

So, yes, all that Christ said "must shortly take place" did occur--"but the end is not yet."

When many did not believe that Christ actually meant "shortly" or "soon", they began to assume their own false doctrine. Which were the "false teachers" foretold by Peter. Then leading to "strong delusion" and the believing of a "lie." Which, again, would not be revealed until just before the sounding of the seventh angel--which is indeed the end of this world--for then the times shall have been fulfilled.

 

[rwb]

Peter wrote about the "end"--the end of THEIR world, , that is, the world of the Old Covenant and Mosaic Age. He stated: "The end of ALL things is AT HAND" (1 Peter 4:7). The end was near in Peter's own day. There is no "end of the world." Jesus spoke about this in Matthew 13 when dealing with the Unpardonable sin. He said that it would not be forgiven "either in this age or in the age ABOUT TO COME." That is the question His discipes asked Him in Matthew 24 (Mark 13; Luke 21). They did NOT ask about the end of the "world" but, rather, about the end of the AGE. Jesus and those of that generation were living in the "this age." The age that was THEN about to come was the Messianic Age of the New Covenant. It was fully instituted when the the "old heavens and earth" of the Old Covenant was removed--in A. D. 70. Everything related to THAT age came to an end when the Temple and the holy city were destroyed! THAT was the end of THEIR world. The physical world does not end. We must understand OT, prophetic language.

Considering 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul and those of his day knew the "man of sin." THEY knew the restrainer. It was someone/something of THEIR own day and not of ours. Context!

John was shown those things which were to SHORTLY take place. He was told to NOT seal up the vision because the time was NEAR for its fulfillment (Rev. 1:1, 3; 22:6, 10). That vision that was about to be fulfilled in John's day very much included Revelation 10:6.
Most of the major translations of this verse render it as "there shall be no more delay." They have done so not because of the term used itself (xronos) but because of the context. This is the "time of the end" spoken of by Daniel when the "power of the holy people" would be "completely shattered." That end was near in John's day. There would be no delay in its coming.l

If it is written only to that original audience, and past, why weren't the faithful saints who were looking and waiting for His coming again bodily resurrected immortal and incorruptible physically as they were promised they shall be? This is how we KNOW the end of all things written did not come to pass in the first century AD when the Old Covenant passed away!

 

[rwb]

There is NO "end of the world," Sdott. The Bible speak of the "time of the end." Big difference. Peter placed the timing of that "time of the end" in his own day. He wrote that it was THEN near. "The END of ALL THINGS is AT HAND" (1 Peter 4:7). How much clearer could he have stated it?

When John wrote "there should be time no longer" it is written to be "in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets." (Rev 10:5-7) Is it your belief that the seventh angel has already sounded in the first century AD? Is this time that should be no longer the same "end of all things at hand" that Peter writes of?

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

 

[Lizbeth]

Peter wrote about the "end"--the end of THEIR world, , that is, the world of the Old Covenant and Mosaic Age. He stated: "The end of ALL things is AT HAND" (1 Peter 4:7). The end was near in Peter's own day. There is no "end of the world." Jesus spoke about this in Matthew 13 when dealing with the Unpardonable sin. He said that it would not be forgiven "either in this age or in the age ABOUT TO COME." That is the question His discipes asked Him in Matthew 24 (Mark 13; Luke 21). They did NOT ask about the end of the "world" but, rather, about the end of the AGE. Jesus and those of that generation were living in the "this age." The age that was THEN about to come was the Messianic Age of the New Covenant. It was fully instituted when the the "old heavens and earth" of the Old Covenant was removed--in A. D. 70. Everything related to THAT age came to an end when the Temple and the holy city were destroyed! THAT was the end of THEIR world. The physical world does not end. We must understand OT, prophetic language.

Considering 2 Thessalonians 2, Paul and those of his day knew the "man of sin." THEY knew the restrainer. It was someone/something of THEIR own day and not of ours. Context!

John was shown those things which were to SHORTLY take place. He was told to NOT seal up the vision because the time was NEAR for its fulfillment (Rev. 1:1, 3; 22:6, 10). That vision that was about to be fulfilled in John's day very much included Revelation 10:6.
Most of the major translations of this verse render it as "there shall be no more delay." They have done so not because of the term used itself (xronos) but because of the context. This is the "time of the end" spoken of by Daniel when the "power of the holy people" would be "completely shattered." That end was near in John's day. There would be no delay in its coming.l

I agree that much was fulfilled already.

Please test these things, but I often seem to see more than one layer to what is being said in spirit in the scriptures. For example, in 2 Peter 3 heaven and earth seems to be talking about the physical cosmos, as well as the "heaven and earth" of the old covenant holy place, as well as our personal "heaven and earth" (soul and body which will dissolve in the grave).

And I believe we need to also consider what the bible says about "tribulation and anguish upon the souls of all who do evil, to the Jew first, then the Gentile." Jesus said Jerusalem would be trodden down by Gentiles until the times (age) of the Gentiles are fulfilled. God hasn't judged the world (nations/Gentiles) yet, but that age of Gentile supremacy (especially Christendom - the formerly Christianized nations) apparently will come to an end (be fulfilled) and be judged too.......also since the apostle wrote that Israel is our ensample and those things happened unto them and were written down for our admonition. If anyone wonders where the 70AD judgment of Jerusalem and Israel is written in scripture, in addition to Jesus prophesying it, and in Revelation, here is one place where it is seen in the OT:

Isa 66:7
Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

Israel gave birth to the Messiah Jesus before her labour pains/travail came in 70AD. (We might say Israel died in childbirth - except for a remnant - like Rachel, AFTER bringing forth the child.)

Also want to point out, for some reason the Greek word for age (aion) has been translated several times into the word "world", so that is something to keep in mind and know when "world" in the new testament is talking about an age (aion) or when it is talking about the earth (kosmos).

Rom 3:5-6
But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world (kosmos)?

There is so much unspeakable cruelty and suffering in this world........I wouldn't want it to continue forever like that, and would have a hard time believing that God would allow it to.

 

[Scott Downey]

I agree that much was fulfilled already.

Please test these things, but I often seem to see more than one layer to what is being said in spirit in the scriptures. For example, in 2 Peter 3 heaven and earth seems to be talking about the physical cosmos, as well as the "heaven and earth" of the old covenant holy place, as well as our personal "heaven and earth" (soul and body which will dissolve in the grave).

And I believe we need to also consider what the bible says about "tribulation and anguish upon the souls of all who do evil, to the Jew first, then the Gentile." Jesus said Jerusalem would be trodden down by Gentiles until the times (age) of the Gentiles are fulfilled. God hasn't judged the world (nations/Gentiles) yet, but that age of Gentile supremacy (especially Christendom - the formerly Christianized nations) apparently will come to an end (be fulfilled) and be judged too.......also since the apostle wrote that Israel is our ensample and those things happened unto them and were written down for our admonition. If anyone wonders where the 70AD judgment of Jerusalem and Israel is written in scripture, in addition to Jesus prophesying it, and in Revelation, here is one place where it is seen in the OT:

Isa 66:7
Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

Israel gave birth to the Messiah Jesus before her labour pains/travail came in 70AD. (We might say Israel died in childbirth - except for a remnant - like Rachel, AFTER bringing forth the child.)

Also want to point out, for some reason the Greek word for age (aion) has been translated several times into the word "world", so that is something to keep in mind and know when "world" in the new testament is talking about an age (aion) or when it is talking about the earth (kosmos).

Rom 3:5-6
But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)
God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world (kosmos)?

There is so much unspeakable cruelty and suffering in this world........I wouldn't want it to continue forever like that, and would have a hard time believing that God would allow it to.

Absolutely, and the suffering will end. The time of Christ's returning to the world to judge and consume it in fiery destruction of the ungodly will be as the time of Noah, then by water the world that then was destroyed, but next time by fire of God.

Matthew 24
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [f]heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what [g]hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what [h]hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Luke 17
22 Then He said to the disciples, “The days will come when you will desire to see one of the days of the Son of Man, and you will not see it. 23 And they will say to you, [h]‘Look here!’ or ‘Look there!’ Do not go after them or follow them.

24 For as the lightning that flashes out of one part under heaven shines to the other part under heaven, so also the Son of Man will be in His day.

25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

2 Peter 3
Beloved, I now write to you this second epistle (in both of which I stir up your pure minds by way of reminder), 2 that you may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of [a]us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, 3 knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, 4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” 5 For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, 6 by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. 7 But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and [b]perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward [c]us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.

The Day of the Lord​

10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be [d]burned up.

11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness,

12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

Be Steadfast​

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

17 You therefore, beloved, since you know this beforehand, beware lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the error of the wicked; 18 but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

To Him be the glory both now and forever. Amen.

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So clearly written as to be understood, all the unbelieving and wicked, those who do not believe and obey the gospel, all of them will be fuel for the fire, destroyed. Yet some claim it already happened, incredible, what a massive error on their part.

 

[Scott Downey]

2 Thessalonians 1

3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you,

7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,

8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

11 Therefore we also pray always for you that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness and the work of faith with power, 12 that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be glorified in you, and you in Him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

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Jesus, Peter, Paul, they all agree about the coming end of this world, and it has not happened yet.

 

[HappyOma]

Please test these things, but I often seem to see more than one layer to what is being said in spirit in the scriptures. For example, in 2 Peter 3 heaven and earth seems to be talking about the physical cosmos, as well as the "heaven and earth" of the old covenant holy place, as well as our personal "heaven and earth" (soul and body which will dissolve in the grave).

I would submit that the Bible often contains types and antitypes. In 2 Peter 3, the passing away of the earth in the Flood is given as a type of the passing away of the Old Covenant economy (the antitype). The means of destruction of the "old heavens and earth" is very significant when one views them as those things related to the Mosaic Age (Old Covenant/Judaism). In the Flood account, God used natural resources (water above and below) to cover the earth. However, the earth itself was neve destroyed and then replaced by a completely new earth. To contend that our physical earth will someday be completely dissolved by fire and then re-recreated does not fit the Flood narrative.

However, if one understands that Peter mentions the flood to demonstrate the end of an old system and world and the beginning of a new, there is no conflict. In other words, only the wicked people were destroyed in the flood and God's people were preserved (Noah and his family). Peter's reference to "old heavens and earth" points to the Old Covenant and the things concerning it, especially how it related to the wicked rulers within it. Those apostate Jews whom Jesus condemned in Matthew 23 are analogous to the evil people of Noah's day. When the Roman armies burned the city and the Temple in A. D. 70, the fires were so "fervent" that the gold melted from the walls. The old "world" of those Jews (the "elements") was dissolved by "fire." The "new heavens and earth" of the New Covenant came forth. Like Noah, the Christians, seeking the warnings of their Lord and His inspired writers, escaped the city before the "deluge" and fled to the mountains of Pella. Thus, they were saved from the "flood" of judgment that God sent upon that old "world."

Also, if the "old heavens and earth" have not yet passed away, we are still under every jot and title of the Law.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Matthew 5:17-18 ESV

 

[HappyOma]

Matthew 24
36 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of [f]heaven, but My Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, 39 and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 40 Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. 42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what [g]hour your Lord is coming. 43 But know this, that if the master of the house had known what [h]hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. 44 Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

No one knew the "day and hour" BUT they knew the generation. Jesus had told them the generation when He said to them: "THIS generation will by no means pass away until all these things take place" (Mat. 24:34). Notice also that THEY were to be ready. He would come to THEM at an hour they did not expect--but, again, they knew the GENERATION--theirs!

 

[HappyOma]

25 But first He must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

What generaton is Luke referring to, Scott. He uses the same expression ("this generation") here as Matthew used in Matthew 24:34. Jesus was rejected by the same "this generation" He was going to return to.

 

[HappyOma]

26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed

And in ALL of those scenarios, the physical heavens and earth remained. They were not destroyed. In the Flood, the "heavens and earth" wee not destroyed--the wicked people were. God created NO "new heavens and earth" after the Flood. The waters simply receded and the same heavens and earth were still there. Noah was preserved alive by God.

In the day of Lot, the wicked in Sodom were destroyed; the physical heavens and earth were not. Lot and his family were preserved by God. In the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in A. D. 70 (to which Peter alludes), the wicked Jews were destroyed; the physical heavens and earth were not. When the Christians began to see happen the things Jesus and His inspired writers had warned them about, THEY fled the city and the surrounding areas to the mountains of Pella. Again, the wicked were destroyed; all of the righteous were preserved--and the physical heavens and earth remained.

Peter is not speaking about the physical heavens and earth anymore than Genesis 6 and 7 do. The physical heavens and earth remain.

IF the physical heavens and earth are to be destroyed and that has not yet happened, we are still under every jot and title of the Law.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Matthew 5:17-18 ESV

 

[HappyOma]

12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?

The Greek word for "elements" here is stoicheia. It is used several other times in the NT to describe wordly philosophies and the principles of the world. It is NEVER used of the physical, chemical make up of the earth. The "elements" that were to burn pertained to the "old heavens and earth" of the Old Covenant, Mosaic system, and Judaism tied to the Temple and to the holy city. Everything pertaining to the Mosaic Age and the Old Covenant was destroyed with the temple and Jerusalem. The fires started by the Roman soldiers were so "fervent" that they melted (dissolved) the gold in the walls! The "new heavens and earth" of the New Covenant, the Church (Christ being the cornerstone of the "building") emerged victorious. The physical heavens and earth remained. They are never to be destroyed.

 

[HappyOma]

14 Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; 15 and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, 16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

Again, Scott--context. Who are the "beloved"? Peter is writing to the Jews of the Dispersion--people of his own day. They were "looking forward to these things." They were to "be diligent to be found in Him" at His coming.
I'm not sure why you highlighted "which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures"? Do you have some specific people in mind who fit that description?

 

[HappyOma]

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Most of the major translations render the Greek word "chronos" as "delay." The angel indicated that the end (which Peter spoke of) was so near that there would be "delay no longer." This has nothing to do with the end of time--it is about the "end of all things" (1 Peter 4:7).pertaining to the Old Covenant economy and the Mosaic Age.

 

[HappyOma]

If it is written only to that original audience, and past, why weren't the faithful saints who were looking and waiting for His coming again bodily resurrected immortal and incorruptible physically as they were promised they shall be?

Where were the saints promised that they would be "bodily resurrected immortal and incorruptible physically"? Is that the true nature of the resurrection?

 

[HappyOma]

So, yes, all that Christ said "must shortly take place" did occur--"but the end is not yet."

Again, I ask the end of what? What is the CONTEXT of Jesus' words, Scott? He told those very disciples that "the end is not yet" and THEN He went on to tell them when that end would be. THEY would first be hated and killed for His name's sake; THEY would first see the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Daniel the prophet (at which time, THEY were to flee--and THEY did); THEY were to live through great tribulation; THEY were to hear of false christs but were not to follow them; THEY were to recognize the signs of His coming as surely as THEY recognized the signs of the coming of summer in the budding of the fig tree ("and all the trees" - Luke 21). When THEY saw all of those things, THEY were to know that He was NEAR, at the door! The "end" was NOT yet when they saw all of those things--but it came eventually in THEIR generation. Scott. Jesus could not have been more clear.

 

[Zao is life]

Which is given to me to declare, as it is written.

Is it given only to you to declare?

 

[Zao is life]

Again, I ask the end of what?

Oh for goodness sake, you Preterists and Partial Preterists are all like a broken record, not believing the scriptures and corrupting the Lord's warnings and Revelation which He gave to John and to Paul regarding the Day of Christ and the resurrection to come at the last day.

Why don't you stop asking Scott your ridiculous questions which are based on your corruption of the scriptures?

The last day does not mean AD70 - and your assertion is ridiculous because as @ScottA said, you can open the graves to see if there are still bones in them awaiting the resurrection to take place at the last day.

PS: DO NOT ask me any questions. I will not answer them because it's like casting pearls to those who shut their ears to the truth and it's A WASTE OF TIME.

This post is only to express my annoyance with your subtly arrogant, childish repeated question that has already been answered by the person you keep asking - because your ridiculous question and foolishness HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED BY THE SCRIPTURES WHICH YOU DO NOT BELIEVE WITHOUT FIRST TWISTING THEIR MEANING AND CORRUPTING WHAT IS WRITTEN .

Your questions and posts are like a dripping tap. A stuck audio file.

And believe me if I find it annoying then so do many others who will be reading your posts. Only your foolish Preterist friends will be patting you on the back.