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David in NJ
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Currently, Jerusalem on earth is in SIN and Rebellion against the LORD and will soon be Judged by God = Zechariah 14:1-2
David in NJ
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I am not judging you I just dont understand why you refused to answer ......you assert there is only one gospel and I just wanted to know what is was.
Here is the gospel I believe:
1 Corinthians 15 contains Paul's gospel:
[1Co 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
We are all sinners who cannot save ourselves.
See Romans 3:23 Titus 3:5 Romans 5:6
[Rom 3:23 KJV] 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
[Rom 5:6 KJV] 6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Christ died for our sins; He was our substitute; He paid the full penalty and debt for our sin by his blood sacrifice.
See 2 Corinthians 5:21 Romans 3:24 Romans 3:25 Romans 3:26
[2Co 5:21 KJV] 21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
[Rom 3:24-26 KJV] 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
He was buried.
He rose again for our justification (to declare us righteous) and forgiveness of all our sin. He gives us His righteousness and eternal life.
See Romans 4:25 Ephesians 1:7 Romans 4:22 Romans 4:23 Romans 4:24 1 Corinthians 1:30
[Rom 4:22-25 KJV] 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
[Eph 1:7 KJV] 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
[1Co 1:30 KJV] 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
All we have to do is believe the gospel.
See Romans 4:5 1 Corinthians 1:21 Ephesians 1:13
[Rom 4:5 KJV] 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
[1Co 1:21 KJV] 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
[Eph 1:13 KJV] 13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Believing is being persuaded that something is true.
See Romans 4:20-22
[Rom 4:20-22 KJV] 20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
The moment you believe you have eternal life.
Titus 1:1 Titus 1:2 Titus 3:7
[Tit 1:1-2 KJV] 1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
[Tit 3:7 KJV] 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Trust the gospel of your salvation. Place your faith in Jesus Christ, in his blood, in his death and his resurrection.
By the way I dont think I ever told you the gospel I believe
1 Corinthians 15 contains Paul's gospel:
[1Co 15:1, 3-4 KJV] 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; ... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
We are all sinners who cannot save ourselves.
See Romans 3:23 Titus 3:5 Romans 5:6
[Rom 3:23 KJV] 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
[Tit 3:5 KJV] 5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
[Rom 5:6 KJV] 6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Christ died for our sins; He was our substitute; He paid the full penalty and debt for our sin by his blood sacrifice.
See 2 Corinthians 5:21 Romans 3:24 Romans 3:25 Romans 3:26
[2Co 5:21 KJV] 21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
[Rom 3:24-26 KJV] 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth [to be] a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, [I say], at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
He was buried.
He rose again for our justification (to declare us righteous) and forgiveness of all our sin. He gives us His righteousness and eternal life.
See Romans 4:25 Ephesians 1:7 Romans 4:22 Romans 4:23 Romans 4:24 1 Corinthians 1:30
[Rom 4:22-25 KJV] 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. 23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him; 24 But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead; 25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
[Eph 1:7 KJV] 7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
[1Co 1:30 KJV] 30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
All we have to do is believe the gospel.
See Romans 4:5 1 Corinthians 1:21 Ephesians 1:13
[Rom 4:5 KJV] 5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
[1Co 1:21 KJV] 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
[Eph 1:13 KJV] 13 In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Believing is being persuaded that something is true.
See Romans 4:20-22
[Rom 4:20-22 KJV] 20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; 21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness.
The moment you believe you have eternal life.
Titus 1:1 Titus 1:2 Titus 3:7
[Tit 1:1-2 KJV] 1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;
[Tit 3:7 KJV] 7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Trust the gospel of your salvation. Place your faith in Jesus Christ, in his blood, in his death and his resurrection.
I believe you were saying Christ was ruling from Zion in heaven........my point was Zion is earthly
pandaflower
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David in NJ
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There are two Jerusalem's and therefore two Zion's
JERUSALEM/ZION Above is where Blood Washed Saints Live with JESUS as KING
Jerusalem/Zion on earth is where unsaved Jewish leaders and their people live in bondage to sin.
Hello @Doug,
I have decided to work through your points one at a time:-
* As you know Paul was constantly having to defend not only his Apostleship, but also the gospel that He preached: so his use of the words, 'my gospel' is not so very strange: especially in the light of the fact that there were those who were preaching 'another gospel'. Paul sought to separate his teaching from that of the false teachers who preached falsehood.
a) 'In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men
by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.'
(Rom. 2:16)
b) 'Now to Him that is of power to stablish you
according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began,'
(Rom.16:25)
c) 'Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David
was raised from the dead according to my gospel:'
(2Tim. 2:8)
* In these verses Paul is stating very definitely what the gospel the risen Christ had called Him to preach contained:-
a) That the Lord Jesus Christ would be the One through Whom God would judge the secrets of men.
b) That God has the power to stablish the believer, not only according to the gospel He preached but by the preaching of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself, as prophesied in the Old Testament prophets, and made known by revelation to the New Testament Apostles and Prophets by the Spirit. (This is the mystery of Christ)
c) The resurrection of Christ, and all that it implies for the believer in Him, concerning their hope of resurrection life, was also very much the subject of Paul's gospel.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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Hello @Doug, (re. OP)
* Yes, indeed:-
'For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it,
but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.'
(Gal 1:12)
* See also:-
'And when we were all fallen to the earth,
I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue,
"Saul, Saul, why persecutest Thou Me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks."
And I said, "Who art thou, Lord?"
And He said, "I am Jesus Whom thou persecutest."
.. But rise, and stand upon thy feet:
.... for I have appeared unto thee for this purpose,
...... to make thee a minister and a witness
........ 1) both of these things which thou hast seen,
.......... 2) and of those things in the which I will appear unto thee;
Delivering thee from the people, (of Israel) and from the Gentiles,
unto whom now I send thee,
.. To open their eyes,
.... and to turn them from darkness to light,
...... and from the power of Satan unto God,
........ that they may receive forgiveness of sins,
.......... and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in Me."
Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto the heavenly vision:
But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem,
and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles,
a) that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill me.
Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day,
witnessing both to small and great,
b) saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
c) That Christ should suffer, and that He should be the first that should rise from the dead,
d) and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.'
* So, here we have Paul's testimony, spoken before Agrippa at the end of the Acts period, in which he says that he had preached, 'none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come,' Which was the Mystery of Christ referred to in Romans 16. This, was the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, but shrouded in mystery, by means of type and shadow, until it's revelation to the New Testament Apostles and Prophets, including Paul himself, as told to us by Paul in Ephesians 3:4-5:-
'Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men,
as it is now revealed unto His holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;'
(Eph 3:4-5)
* It is also the subject of 'The gospel of God', which Paul was set apart to preach as told us in Romans 1:1-
'Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ,
called to be an apostle,
separated unto the gospel of God,
(Which He had promised afore by His prophets in the holy scriptures,)
Concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord,
which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
And declared to be the Son of God with power,
according to the spirit of holiness,
by the resurrection from the dead:'
(Rom 1:1-4)
Praise God! Praise His Holy Name!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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'Now to Him that is of power to stablish you
1) according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
2) according to the revelation of the mystery, (The mystery of Christ)
...... which was kept secret since the world began,
........ But now is made manifest,
.......... and by the scriptures of the prophets,
3) according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.'
(Rom 16:25-27)
Hello @Doug,
Praise God! Here Paul lays his gospel alongside 'the preaching of the Lord Jesus Christ', and the 'The Mystery of Christ', which had been revealed to him, and to all the Apostles and Prophets of the New Testament, and was the subject of the Old Testament Prophets, though hidden from their view, in type and shadow unto it's revelation. Kept secret since the world began. Yet this was not, 'The Mystery.' made known to Paul alone, which is the subject of the prison epistles. (i.e., Eph. Phil. Col. 2 Tim. Titus and Phile.), for that had been 'hid in God' (Eph. 3:9), until made known to him alone.
* Yes, The Lord Jesus Christ Who is sat down now at God's right hand, a position of great power and authority, will stablish each individual believer, who is trusting in Him for full salvation, on the basis of His all-sufficient sacrifice, and the promise of God of eternal life, through the power of the resurrection.
* I hope to address all your points from the OP, this is my third post. (#349. #350, #351)
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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amigo de christo
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and what many do not also realize is
the war of the ages ITS HITTING ITS PEAK hour now .
And that jersualem on earth , WHO STILL is in bondage with her children
IS A MASSIVE LEADER in that which is of anti christ as is Her darling RCC and scores of others .
What if i told you
that which is of anti christ has BEEN AT WORK
and that now in this last hour
IT has grown massive and is unifying all religoins and christendom
and all of this love lie , all of this intefaith co exist , interriligios dialogue
Came and cometh of the very mouth of the dragon himself and his many many co workers .
What if i told you that a strong delusion IS BIG TIME AT WORK RIGHT NOW
and that the unbelieving jews and gentiles , no matter what religoin they cliam
ARE ALL HEADED as ONE right into what they all NOW SEE and beleive IS OF GOD , IS HIS LOVE
and IS HIS PLAN for world peace n safety .
BUT really its all but a deadly delusion to merge all to be as one and to meet their deadly fate
ON THE DAY OF THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY and THE LAMB , WHOM IT ALL DENIED .
Hello again, Doug, (re. the OP).
* This is my fourth response, regarding the fourth point you raised (above): for which you have quoted three verses from Romans:-
'But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested,
being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ
unto all and upon all them that believe:
for there is no difference:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Being justified freely by His grace
through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:'
Rom 3:21-24)
'Is He the God of the Jews only?
is He not also of the Gentiles?
Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Seeing it is One God,
which shall justify the circumcision by faith,
and uncircumcision through faith.'
(Rom 3:29-30)
* Yes, Doug, these verses show clearly that there is no difference between the Jew and Gentile where 'the righteousness of God', and justification by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is concerned. The law and the covenants, which were of God to Israel, having no part in it.
Praise God for His wondrous grace!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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'For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness;
but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.'
For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.'
(1Co 1:18-19)
'For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received,
how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day
according to the scriptures:'
(1Co 15:3-4)
'Who was delivered for our offences,
and was raised again for our justification.'
(Rom 4:25)
Hello again, @Doug,
Yes, Yes, and Yes!
Praise God!
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
'Now to Him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel,
and the preaching of Jesus Christ,
according to the revelation of the mystery,
which was kept secret since the world began,
But now is made manifest,
and by the scriptures of the prophets,
according to the commandment of the everlasting God,
made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.'
(Rom 16:25-27)
Hi @Doug (OP),
The words highlighted in the verse you have quoted, show that the mystery Paul is referring to here, is that which is 'the subject of, 'the scriptures of the prophets', therefore refers to, 'The Mystery of Christ', which though shrouded in mystery, was none the less on the page of Scripture in the OT, awaiting the revelation of God, which was made to all the Apostles and Prophets of the New Testament, including Paul (Eph. 3:4-5). So it is not correct to say that it was not to be found in the Scriptures (O.T.): It simply required divine revelation from above, to enlighten the eyes of those who received it.
* Paul tells us in his own words, what He preached, in his defence before Agrippa:-
'Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day,
witnessing both to small and great,
saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
That Christ should suffer, and that He should be the first that should rise from the dead,
and should shew light unto the people, and to the Gentiles.'
(Act 26:22)
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
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'Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood,
to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,
through the forbearance of God;
To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness:
that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.'
(Rom 3:25-26)
Hello again @Doug, (OP)
There is no mystery here, Doug. Why have you used the word, 'mystery,' in regard to salvation?
* God willing I shall be able to come back and address the remaining points of the OP at another time.
Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
[Act 26:20-22 KJV] 20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and [then] to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance. 21 For these causes the Jews caught me in the temple, and went about to kill [me]. 22 Having therefore obtained help of God, I continue unto this day, witnessing both to small and great, saying none other things than those which the prophets and Moses did say should come:
The Jews were alleging that Paul spoke against Moses and the law and the prophets
Paul was saying he did nothing but prove by the law and the prophets the resurrection of Christ..........he did not refute the law
That doesnt mean he didnt say other things....Acts doesnt record all that was said as we can read below
[Act 2:40 KJV] 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
[Act 16:31-32 KJV] 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. 32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house. It doesnt say what all they spake
[Luk 10:24 KJV] 24 For I tell you, that many prophets and kings have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen [them]; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard [them].
All that was prophesized of Jesus's suffering and death and resurrection was revealed and fulfilled during Christ's earthly ministry
Paul fully showed how Christ fulfilled the prophets
Paul was saying he preached Christ two ways
#1 he preached Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest,
#2 he preached Christ by the scriptures of the prophets
The mystery was not found in the scriptures.
Paul is NOT saying he preached Christ according to the revelation of the mystery by the scriptures of the prophets.
God did not reveal the mystery that was hidden in the scriptures, he revealed the mystery not made known anywhere before revealed thru Paul.
show me scriptures before Paul where they state how God could be just in forgiving Israel's sins....the blood of bulls and goats couldnt take away sins................[Heb 10:4 KJV] 4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
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