Is it possible to lose salvation?

[marks]

Faith is completed by works.

You keep repeating this as though it contradicts the many passages which tell us salvation is not of works.

Your contention appears to be that faith does not bring salvation until we have works with faith. But according to so many passages, many of which have been shared with you here, salvation is God's gift, not something we earn by works, and in fact that if one thinks that their works are garnering for them salvation . . . they don't.

Works show a saving faith, but works do not add to Christ's work. As if!

Much love!

 

[Marymog]

I guess scripture is a broken record then since it has said the same thing for 2000 years. You're coming undone at the seams. James is CLEAR..a man is saved by works AND not by faith alone. If James wrote, "The apple is red" you'd tell me that he didnt say that if I told you the apple was red. its fun watching a "Bible believing" Christian ignoring the bible.

BTW can you show that anything you believe was taught by the church before the 1500?

I'll take your laughter below as a No. Id laugh too if you weren't so lost.

Scripture is clear that one cannot obtain salvation without works. Don't do the works and you will be told; ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

Scripture makes it clear that he will repay according to each one’s deeds: 7 to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honour and immortality, he will give eternal life;

I know.....I know.....I'm being a broken record according to @Eternally Grateful by repeating Scripture and what has been taught for 2,000 years. Hang in their nedsk......Maybe you will break thru their denials of Scripture and the teaching of men he follows that started about 500 years ago.

 

[Marymog]

Your contention appears to be that faith does not bring salvation until we have works with faith.

Much love!

Nope...that isn't @nedsk contention. It is the contention of Scripture: Fatih without works is dead. Pretending it isn't written doesn't make it go away.

Pretending this isn't written doesn't make it go away: ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42 for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43 I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

Pretending this isn't written doesn't make it go away: he will repay according to each one’s deeds: 7 to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honour and immortality, he will give eternal life;

Much love! Mary

 

[marks]

Nope...that isn't @nedsk contention. It is the contention of Scripture: Fatih without works is dead. Pretending it isn't written doesn't make it go away.

Let's not pretend that this means something it doesn't! Works will never save you. By your works you are already condemned. That's why faith is required.

No, no more pretending, OK?

Faith without works is a dead faith that does not save. True faith in God is answered by Him with regeneration, and then we go on to do the works He's planned for us.

But make no mistake or pretence. Your faith is not what changes you. God's regeneration of your dead spirit is what changes you. After you are regenerated, your works show that is true. That's reality.

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Cite where Paul says "faith alone". Show it or stop saying it

Ephesians 2:8-10

King James Version

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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are saved by grace through faith- without any works.

 

[Marymog]

Let's not pretend that this means something it doesn't! Works will never save you. By your works you are already condemned. That's why faith is required.

No, no more pretending, OK?

Faith without works is a dead faith that does not save. True faith in God is answered by Him with regeneration, and then we go on to do the works He's planned for us.

But make no mistake or pretence. Your faith is not what changes you. God's regeneration of your dead spirit is what changes you. After you are regenerated, your works show that is true. That's reality.

Much love!

MARKS, we agree. Works alone does not save you. Faith/belief comes first and then comes the works. If you have the faith without the works your faith is dead (just like James 2 says)! If you don't do the works He will say to you ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:......just like Scripture (Matthew 25) says. He already told you in Romans 2 that he will repay you according to your deeds and to those who by patiently doing good seek for glory and honour and immortality, he will give eternal life. Notice he didn't say he will repay you if you have faith alone?

You are wrong, again. Faith DOES change you. Ask anyone that went from not having faith to having faith. ALL of them will tell you it changed them. Sooooo let's stop pretending and recognize the fact that God will not 'regenerate your dead spirit' if you didn't start out with faith (belief). He doesn't force faith upon us silly rabbit.

IF you do the works after you are 'regenerated' then you will be saved. If you don't do the works after you are regenerated......well, I refer you back to paragraph #1.

I agree with Scripture (John5): those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. Notice how it doesn't say "those who have faith, to the resurrection of life". You have to DO something, not just have faith.

Thanks for your opinion (no bible verses to back it up) though. It was interesting.

Much Love....bible study Mary! You're Welcome!

 

[marks]

MARKS, we agree. Works alone does not save you.

This is so disengenous, I have zero interest in your comments.

Much love!

 

[nedsk]

Ephesians 2:8-10​

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King James Version​

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8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

We are saved by grace through faith- without any works.

That doesnt say "faith alone" does it? Im going to try with you since its clear EG is struggling. Do you understand what the word sufficient means? Just Yes or No. Can you do that?


Next you say "We are saved by grace through faith- without any works."

This is absolutely beautiful. Now unlike you who tells me what what you think Paul meant, I am going to show you what James says, not what I say and not what I think James says but what James actually says

James2: 24: You can see, then, that a man is justified by works AND (my emphasis) not by faith alone.

Notice the AND. That coincides with what James, not me, says in V22 Thus, you can see that his faith and his works were active together; his faith was brought to completion by works.

Now this is where it gets crazy "...faith is brought to completion by works". Now riddle me this Batman, if faith is all thats needed for salvation then why would it need "completion"? Answer the questions. Dont drone on about Paul stay focused.

 

[nedsk]

Let's not pretend that this means something it doesn't! Works will never save you. By your works you are already condemned. That's why faith is required.

No, no more pretending, OK?

Faith without works is a dead faith that does not save. True faith in God is answered by Him with regeneration, and then we go on to do the works He's planned for us.

But make no mistake or pretence. Your faith is not what changes you. God's regeneration of your dead spirit is what changes you. After you are regenerated, your works show that is true. That's reality.

Much love!

Show where I said works saves anyone. You folks can understand what I write but we're supposed to believe you understand what was written 2,000 years ago. LOL

Works is the absence of faith is dead just like faith without works is dead just like James says. Ignore to your hearts content. This is what happens when you listen to the looney little monk

 

[nedsk]

Paul makes this clear in a few places.

Not of works lest anyone should boast

If it is grace it is not of works.

Not by works of righteousness we have done but by his mercy

and again, in romans 4. to him who works his deeds are not counted as grace but debt.

Cite where Paul says "faith alone" saves. "Faith alone" appears only ONE place in scripture and it doesnt look good for you guys when it does. But please tell me what James "actually" meant because clearly he needs randos on the internet to explain what he wrote. "The apple is red" but you tell me its not. LOL

 

[marks]

to the looney little monk

Who is your "looney little monk"? Because if you are referring to where I learn from, that's the Bible, not commentaries or whatever, and if you are calling the Holy Spirit a "looney little monk", well, be thankful you are in the "age of grace" as they say.

You folks can understand what I write

Well yes, I can understand what you write. You assert that faith + works = salvation. While the Bible itself teaches that if you have true faith, God gives us regeneration, and being changed, we go on to do the things that please Him.

For me, we are saved when we call out to the Lord. The works we then do show to ourselves and the world that we are born again. For you, we are saved when we call out to the Lord, and prove ourselves to Him with good behavior. As if God doesn't know our hearts until we do something, or don't do something, whatever the case.

For me, when God sees our real faith in Him, He gives us the right to become His children, and that is in fact salvation. Becoming alive in Him.

Do you really think that God doesn't know who His children are until they tick the boxes with their works? Do you really believe He can't tell?

Or is the truth in fact exactly what James wrote . . . I'll show you my faith by my works? Not God, you.

I can't over emphasize the importance for each word in Scripture.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Cite where Paul says "faith alone" saves.

Cite where anyone says "Jesus died on the cross". Those words don't appear, but that doesn't change reality. It's just making up little games trying to overturn a mass of clear Scripture, in favor of a single misunderstood passage.

Much love!

 

[nedsk]

Cite where anyone says "Jesus died on the cross". Those words don't appear, but that doesn't change reality. It's just making up little games trying to overturn a mass of clear Scripture, in favor of a single misunderstood passage.

Much love!

First I didnt make the claim Paul died on the cross BUT you did claim Paul is saying faith alone is sufficient for salvation. Sooooooo show where Paul says "faith alone" is sufficient for salvation. We are saved by faith just as Paul says but is faith alone sufficient? Not according to James. AGAIN Im not saying that James is saying that. Since that cant contradict one another James must be explaining that faith must by necessity include works because faith without works is dead. Who said that? No a rando on the internet called nedsk but James.

 

[nedsk]

Who is your "looney little monk"? Because if you are referring to where I learn from, that's the Bible, not commentaries or whatever, and if you are calling the Holy Spirit a "looney little monk", well, be thankful you are in the "age of grace" as they say.


Well yes, I can understand what you write. You assert that faith + works = salvation. While the Bible itself teaches that if you have true faith, God gives us regeneration, and being changed, we go on to do the things that please Him.

For me, we are saved when we call out to the Lord. The works we then do show to ourselves and the world that we are born again. For you, we are saved when we call out to the Lord, and prove ourselves to Him with good behavior. As if God doesn't know our hearts until we do something, or don't do something, whatever the case.

For me, when God sees our real faith in Him, He gives us the right to become His children, and that is in fact salvation. Becoming alive in Him.

Do you really think that God doesn't know who His children are until they tick the boxes with their works? Do you really believe He can't tell?

Or is the truth in fact exactly what James wrote . . . I'll show you my faith by my works? Not God, you.

I can't over emphasize the importance for each word in Scripture.

Much love!

Yes show me that my faith is "completed" by works. If faith needs completion then by definition it cannot be sufficient for salvation.

As to the looney little monk that your leader Martin Luther. Maybe you can show me something from before the appearance of the looney little monk that shows the church teaches the silliness you espouse here

 

[marks]

First I didnt make the claim Paul died on the cross BUT

There's nothing about Paul dying on the cross. This was an example to show faulty logic.

Much love!

 

[marks]

your leader Martin Luther.

You presume incorrectly.

Much love!

 

[nedsk]

You presume incorrectly.

Much love!

Is that so? Then show me where the church to aight anything you believe before he came along.

 

[nedsk]

There's nothing about Paul dying on the cross. This was an example to show faulty logic.

Much love!

Now you're just blathering

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You presume incorrectly.

Much love!

he has bought into catholic propoganda completely. he uses the same arguments many before him use.

I guess he thinks he will do better then all the ones before.

 

[marks]

he has bought into catholic propoganda completely. he uses the same arguments many before him use.

I guess he thinks he will do better then all the ones before.

Maybe rethink that one . . . Once again we see the effects of not being able to critically reason.

Much love!