What happened to the 10 toes in Daniel 2?

[Deleted member 26788]

What happened to the 10 toes?

They were smashed by a gigantic rock

 

[quietthinker]

In Daniel 2, God identified the 4 metal kingdoms in His plan of salvation and restoration for His people and mankind. The four kingdoms are quite easily identified (IMO), as:

1) Gold - Babylon,

2) Silver - Medes- Persia,

3) Bronze - Greece,

4) Iron - Rome

Now, we easily can see that God's 4 kingdoms are all constructer of a different metal type.

But within the 4th iron kingdom of Rome, He places a non-metallic element within the feet of this kingdom - clay. And certainly, we all know that clay and any metal does not combine.

In the beginning of chapter 7, God gives us a new set of symbols for these same 4 kingdoms, but now we notice there has been some significant changes, apart from the different symbol, to the iron kingdom. Now, we see an unidentifiable 4th beast kingdom with 10 horns coming out of it. No more mention of the clay and no more mention of the 10 toes.

So what happend to the 10 toes?

We are in them.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

We are in them.

if you are in them then you have a big problem headed your way

 

[Exegesis]

Verse (Daniel 2:43):
"And as you saw the iron mixed with soft clay, so they will mix with one another in marriage, but they will not hold together, just as iron does not mix with clay."

That is a poor translation. Obviously the iron and clay hold together, otherwise the statue would fall on its own, duh. It takes a stone cut without hands to break it apart. You folks should try using some common sense sometime.

The 'marriage' is Sons of God and Daughters of Men. This is serious stuff, not for the timid.

Why dumb down Scripture to some weak 'milk of the word' understanding about Papacy boogymen, UN scapegoats, boring unions in Europe, etc.? Is everyone so cowardly as to not be able to handle the Meat of the Word? So the big message of the Bible is about Geopolitics? Come on, do better.

You folks will be having heart attacks when you finally understand what the Holy Ghost has been trying to teach you for thousands of years now. Wake up already. The days of Noah are returning. God has to put an end to THAT, not some stupid Pope or Builderburg conspiracy.

 

[Douggg]

@Exegesis

That video says 100-200 years from now the effect of a non-human population on earth will be completed The video has no bible basis therefore, because Jesus returns before the end of 2037 according the parable of the fig tree.

The ten kings are alive right now and are not anything but human.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

@Exegesis

That video says 100-200 years from now the effect of a non-human population on earth will be completed The video has no bible basis therefore, because Jesus returns before the end of 2037 according the parable of the fig tree.

The ten kings are alive right now and are not anything but human.

it would be more proper to say The ten kings are alive right now and are not anything but human government entities.

as for 2037,,,, things could get very interesting from 2034 through 2037

 

[Davy]

What happened to the 10 toes?

I really wish that folks would actually read... Bible Scripture instead of just heeding a bunch of men's doctrines just because they may appear to be popular.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

Count the number of pieces of the beast statue above. There is FIVE, not four pieces. And the "stone" (Jesus) comes to smite that beast upon its feet, yes the TEN TOES of the beast, then ALL of those 5 beast pieces tumble down together. That 5th beast is about today's "New World Order", or "one world government" being setup over all nations on the earth. It will include ALL the earth's religions, a one-world religion, and the "man of sin" of 2 Thess.2 will sit over it in JERUSALEM claiming to be GOD, as the Orthodox unbelieving Jews will be fooled, and believe he is their awaited Messiah.

Therefore, not a Christian pope, for the Orthodox Jews would never accept a Christian pope as their Messiah. Nor would deceived Protestants accept a pope as Messiah either.


Dan 2:41-45
41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.

42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.

43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

What do you think that's about? I'm not afraid to say it, because God's Word points to it. The war in Heaven of Revelation 12:7 has NOT happened yet. When it does, it says there will then be no more place found in Heaven for Satan and his angels, as they will be kicked out of the heavenly down to earth in OUR earthly dimension. They are coming here, on earth, in plain sight, and the majority of the world is not prepared for it.

That is how "they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another...". Lord Jesus warned about that too for the end, when He said the end will be just like the days of Noe (Noah); they were eating and drinking until the flood came and took them away. What was happening in the days of Noah per Genesis 6? A group of Satan's fallen angels came to earth and mated with flesh woman to produce the hybrid-giant race that once walked this earth, of which several ancient records of different civilizations mention those giants. Only the deceived materialist who dwells in a fleshy thinking would not understand this.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
KJV

Once again, the Daniel 2 Scripture points to FIVE beast kingdoms in total. But it does not describe that final beast kingdom as a FOURTH kingdom, although the Daniel 7 & 8 Scripture is actually pointing to it. It cannot be a revived Roman empire because even though one may disagree with the Catholic Church teachings, it still claims to represent Christ Jesus, and other religions that do not believe on Jesus Christ will not accept a Christian pope no matter how much power that pope may claim on earth.

 

[Davy]

But what happened to them? They are clearly shown to be within the feet of the iron kingdom of pagan Rome.

That's actually one of the mistakes you are making. Who says Daniel 2:33 has to be the same pagan Roman empire? It's those who believe the pope is the Antichrist and that the old Roman empire will be revived through a pope and the Catholic Church that keep pushing that feet of iron mixed with clay as originally being of that old Roman empire.

That's why I showed you the Daniel 2:34-35 and Daniel 2:45 Scripture that reveals FIVE beast kingdom pieces, not 4. And... that the final beast will include ALL the previous beast kingdoms that were before, because it says when the "stone" (Jesus) smites the beast statue feet, the WHOLE FIVE PIECES coming tumbling down TOGETHER. So there's your 10 kings at the end, like Dougg pointed to in Revelation 17. Only difference is that he believes the ten kings represent the European Union, I do not.

Daniel 7:24 tells us the king that shall arise among the 10 kings will subdue 3 of those 10 kings. And the Hebrew does not say kill them or destroy them, but take power over them. And Revelation 17 reveals all those ten kings come to power concurrently at the same time with the final beast king. So that leaves the other 7 kings to fulfill what authority under the Antichrist when he comes? The 7 kings likely represent kings setup over the continents of the earth. And the 3 subdued kings likely will be setup over a triparte structure that the globalists have been working on for decades, like the Trilateral Commission's plan to divide the earth into 3 main zones, or unions. The EU was their first success at that; their attempt to create the American Union in the past few decades is another, and the Asia-Pacific union also, the whole system divides the earth up into 3 main zones of global control. Put all that together and it can be represented like a pyramid structure with the Antichrist on top, the subdued 3 kings next under him, and then the 7 kings on the bottom row.

 

[Exegesis]

The video has no bible basis therefore, because Jesus returns before the end of 2037 according the parable of the fig tree.

No comment other than most folks here should understand the follies of date setting.

The ten kings are alive right now and are not anything but human.

If they are mingling themselves with the seed of men, then that implies they are not human:

Daniel 2:43 - "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."

How do you explain that?

Also, they are only kings for an hour:

Revelation 17:12 - "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

Obviously if they are in power now, their hour is long past.

How do you explain that?

it would be more proper to say The ten kings are alive right now and are not anything but human government entities.

I would ask the same questions to you as well.

 

[Exegesis]

Meanwhile A.I. and Genetic Engineering is exponentially growing to the point where the Singularity could happen at any moment.

Then, BAM, sudden destruction while "Christians" are still playing tiddlywinks with their Papacy this, and UN that and trilateral whatchamahoozits.

I guess not all of you can be Engineers working on cutting edge tech to the point where you already know how everything will go from this point forward. It blows my mind that people can *still* be this blind as to what is unfolding right in front of them. I am under oath not to reveal what I know, so it sucks to be in my position. I do what I can.

Anyhow, the Image of the Beast will be the final straw. God has his line drawn in the sand.

I mean... just lol... do you people really believe that society is just going to continue all normal like while people go to Walmart with their 'barcode implant' and you sit there going gosh, I can't go shopping today.

You will either join with the hybrid race or you will be killed. It's that simple. You better wake up and get used to what is coming.

Think of all of the people you could have warned, but no. It's all about Popey and the Illuminaughties singing their latest tune. Whatever.

 

[TribulationSigns]

Meanwhile A.I. and Genetic Engineering is exponentially growing to the point where the Singularity could happen at any moment.

Then, BAM, sudden destruction while "Christians" are still playing tiddlywinks with their Papacy this, and UN that and trilateral whatchamahoozits.

I guess not all of you can be Engineers working on cutting edge tech to the point where you already know how everything will go from this point forward. It blows my mind that people can *still* be this blind as to what is unfolding right in front of them. I am under oath not to reveal what I know, so it sucks to be in my position. I do what I can.

Anyhow, the Image of the Beast will be the final straw. God has his line drawn in the sand.

I mean... just lol... do you people really believe that society is just going to continue all normal like while people go to Walmart with their 'barcode implant' and you sit there going gosh, I can't go shopping today.

You will either join with the hybrid race or you will be killed. It's that simple. You better wake up and get used to what is coming.

Think of all of the people you could have warned, but no. It's all about Popey and the Illuminaughties singing their latest tune. Whatever.

You say “Exegesis,” but all I see is interpretive gymnastics with zero Scriptural backing. If you're not grounding your claims in the Bible, then it's not exegesis—it's just speculation. And while I agree that the Papacy and the United Nations are nothing but tiddlywinks in the grand scheme, your theories about A.I. and genetic engineering are just as baseless. None of it stands up to the authority of Scripture.

 

[Douggg]

If they are mingling themselves with the seed of men, then that implies they are not human:

No, that is not what it implies. It just means different nations will try to form unions by intermarrying between royal/leader families, but the desired unions will not work out because the cultures of those nations amongst the populace will be different from each other.

Daniel 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

 

[CTK]

We are in them.

If you do not mind, let me try another approach:

Are the 4 beasts in chapter 7 the same as the 4 metal kingdoms in chapter 2?

Is the 4th metal kingdom in chapter 2 Rome (pagan or Imperial Rome) and the unidentifiable 4th beast in chapter 7 also Rome (pagan or Imperial Rome)?

Does verse 7:23 tell us in Gabriel's interpretation sequence the 4th beast will devour the whole earth... meaning Rome would conquer the known world - all nations?

Consequently, the only remaining beast at this time will be this 4th beast of pagan / Imperial Rome (the other "beasts" were essentially folded into the Roman Empire never to have dominion again).

Did Rome, pagan or Imperial Rome, in fact conquer all nations and was the dominant kingdom from 63 BC to 476 AD?

Is verse 7:11 telling us the "beast", the only beast of the original four (whether metal kingdoms or animals in chapter 7) was slain?
7:11 "I watched then because of the sound of the [f]pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain,

So who is this beast that was slain? Is it pagan / Imperial Rome? (and historically, in 476 AD, that is exactly what took place).


Therefore, it the 4th beast of pagan / Imperial Rome was slain in 476 A, then it is safe to say the 10 horns and the little horn came out of the 4th beast of pagan / Imperial Rome (had to be sometime betwen 63 BC and 476 AD when it was slain). In verses 7:7-8 Daniel tells us this 4th beast had 10 horns coming out of it and then later, another little horn coming out of it - of course this means they both came out of this 4th beast prior to its demise in 476 AD (7:11).

Look forward to your comments...

 

[Stumpmaster]

Obviously the iron and clay hold together,

Hardly. The analogy in Daniel 2 looks forward to the crumbling of the Roman Empire, no ifs, ands, or buts.

 

[Exegesis]

No, that is not what it implies. It just means different nations will try to form unions by intermarrying between royal/leader families, but the desired unions will not work out because the cultures of those nations amongst the populace will be different from each other.

Daniel 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

So, God needs to destroy the entire universe because of interracial marriage?

And why didn't you answer my question about being in power for one hour?

 

[quietthinker]

if you are in them then you have a big problem headed your way

I think we all have a big problem headed our way.

 

[Exegesis]

Hardly. The analogy in Daniel 2 looks forward to the crumbling of the Roman Empire, no ifs, ands, or buts.

The iron and clay are fused together in an unnatural way. The whole point of the symbolism is to show that something extremely out of the ordinary has occurred to bond such dissimilar materials together. We are looking at an advanced form of technology/alchemy here.

Iron is not just about 'Rome'. Iron is a very symbolic material in the Bible having to do with the spirit realm, high technology, electromagnetism, power and Giants.

Iron and Giants:

Deuteronomy 3:11 - "For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man."

Iron and Heaven:

Leviticus 26:19 - "And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:"

Iron Furnace/Egypt/Bondage:

Deuteronomy 4:20 - "But the LORD hath taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, even out of Egypt, to be unto him a people of inheritance, as ye are this day."

Iron Chariots:

Judges 1:19 - "And the LORD was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley, because they had chariots of iron."

Rod of Iron/Electromagnetism/Power:

Psalms 2:9 - "Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter’s vessel."

Sin is written with Iron:

Jeremiah 17:1 - The sin of Judah is written with a pen of iron, and with the point of a diamond: it is graven upon the table of their heart, and upon the horns of your altars;

Iron Horn as Power:

Micah 4:13 - "Arise and thresh, O daughter of Zion: for I will make thine horn iron, and I will make thy hoofs brass: and thou shalt beat in pieces many people: and I will consecrate their gain unto the LORD, and their substance unto the Lord of the whole earth."

Again, iron is more than just Rome. Those ten kings are going to be an unnatural but extremely powerful force associated with the fallen angels and the spirit realm.

 

[quietthinker]

If you do not mind, let me try another approach:

Are the 4 beasts in chapter 7 the same as the 4 metal kingdoms in chapter 2?

Is the 4th metal kingdom in chapter 2 Rome (pagan or Imperial Rome) and the unidentifiable 4th beast in chapter 7 also Rome (pagan or Imperial Rome)?

Does verse 7:23 tell us in Gabriel's interpretation sequence the 4th beast will devour the whole earth... meaning Rome would conquer the known world - all nations?

Consequently, the only remaining beast at this time will be this 4th beast of pagan / Imperial Rome (the other "beasts" were essentially folded into the Roman Empire never to have dominion again).

Did Rome, pagan or Imperial Rome, in fact conquer all nations and was the dominant kingdom from 63 BC to 476 AD?

Is verse 7:11 telling us the "beast", the only beast of the original four (whether metal kingdoms or animals in chapter 7) was slain?
7:11 "I watched then because of the sound of the [f]pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain,

So who is this beast that was slain? Is it pagan / Imperial Rome? (and historically, in 476 AD, that is exactly what took place).


Therefore, it the 4th beast of pagan / Imperial Rome was slain in 476 A, then it is safe to say the 10 horns and the little horn came out of the 4th beast of pagan / Imperial Rome (had to be sometime betwen 63 BC and 476 AD when it was slain). In verses 7:7-8 Daniel tells us this 4th beast had 10 horns coming out of it and then later, another little horn coming out of it - of course this means they both came out of this 4th beast prior to its demise in 476 AD (7:11).

Look forward to your comments...

Here is my understanding of Nebucadnezzers dream in Daniel 2.

Head of Gold = Babylon
Arms and chest of Silver = Medo-Persia
Belly and thighs of Bronze = Greece
Legs of Iron = Rome
Feet and toes of Iron and Clay = The divided kingdoms of the World many of which emanated from the collapse of the Roman Empire; some strong some weak.
The Stone which destroys all these kingdoms of men = The second coming of Jesus.

Further chapters of Daniel focus in and give more detail/ information of these Kingdoms

We live in the post Roman Empire ie, the feet and toes of Iron and Clay awaiting the event of the Stone cut out without hands striking the image. Scripture clearly says it is in the time of these Kings/ Kingdoms that God will intervene....and might I add and draw a parallel, (the stone the builders rejected...)

 

[Douggg]

So, God needs to destroy the entire universe because of interracial marriage?

And why didn't you answer my question about being in power for one hour?

Not interracial basis , but arranged marriages between rulers of different nations intended to create alliances between those nations.

Where are you getting God needs to destroy the entire universe in Daniel 2 ?

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Revelation 17:12, when the ten kings rule with the beast, it will be for one hour (figuratively speaking for the 42 months of Revelation 13:5)

 

[Exegesis]

Also, they are only kings for an hour:

Obviously if they are in power now, their hour is long past.

How do you explain that?

I would suggest folks study the symbology of 'an hour' in the Bible.

Meditate on this verse:

Revelation 17:12 - "And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast."

Now, compare it to this:

Revelation 18:10 - "Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come."

Get it?

Keep going:

Matthew 24:42 - "Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come."

It's a pattern:

John 5:28 - "Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,"

The Ten Kings are associated with that symbolic 'hour'. It's all going to go down extremely fast. Maybe twinkling of an eye fast.