Fallen wicked heavenly hosts, i.e. Angels that have rebelled against God.
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Fallen wicked heavenly hosts, i.e. Angels that have rebelled against God.
But is there any scripture to suggest the EU leaders will be the AC. There needs to be a pattern through scripture. The descendants of Ishmael and Esau are more likely candidates. They showed no regard for the gods of their ancestors, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
Mmmmm, there seems a good possibility of a natural occurrence as well as spiritual. From my shortish life span, most things seem to play out naturally, though im convinced there's a spiritual occurrence happening. Eph 6.12.
My leaning is towards following the theme of scripture from Genesis to Malachi, the brother of Isaac, is still living in hostility towards all his brothers. Gen 16.12. Once again, since Cain and Abel, the older will serve the younger.
It looks to be around 700 BC.
JEWS IN THE BIBLE
See 'Jews' instances in the King James Version (KJV).
www.kingjamesbibleonline.org
Daniel 7:23-26 is pointing to the EU as the EU is the manifestation of the Roman Empire in the end times. In 1957 by the treaty of Rome was the EEC (European Economic Community) formed, which later became the EU.
Jesus, the true Christ, was a Jew. Likewise, the Antichrist will be a Jew.
What it means to be Christ in Jewish belief is to be a special king of Israel to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety.
Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.
Yes, many considered 1948 as the year of budding, interpreted as Israel being the fig tree.
However, when we do the math 1948 +70 years = 2018 as the latest that Jesus would return. Did not happen. So we scratch that interpretation.
Even if we take 80 years as a generation, to get 2028 as the latest that Jesus would return, also does not fit, because there the 7 years that must take place before then. And those 7 years have not begun yet.
So that leaves us with Jerusalem as being the fig tree. 1967 back in the hand of the Jews, the budding begins.
So 1967 + 70 years = 2037 as the latest that will return. And if we minus the 7 years, the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9 will have to begin before the end of 2030. So we are close.
Those 7 years are the same 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 following the Gog/Magog attack on Israel. The recent events involving Israel and Iran seem to be point to the Gog/Magog attack not being too far into the future.
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I'll stick what what i got. I ain't someone who believes in the future coming of Jesus Christ anymore personally.
many people are wanting to see proof of this day to come to pass today....
Ya need proof in order ot believe what Jesus already came and did... i dont undrestand it personally.
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No, because the events the one generation/group of people see happen in a time period far less than any time-length type of generation is, which I think the shortest is 40 years. Most of the events of the OD happen within 42 months.
There are and couple of ways of viewing these scriptures. Both have some plausability to them. We should each consider all the arguments for or against in our endeavor to understand what He is saying and meaning. None of us wish to be wrong. One side suggests that by Dan 9.27. Jesus had confirmed a covenant with many, in the middle of the 7 years, He died for us, and as
It looks to be around 700 BC.
JEWS IN THE BIBLE
See 'Jews' instances in the King James Version (KJV).
Possibly referring to the the people of Judah.It looks to be around 700 BC.
JEWS IN THE BIBLE
See 'Jews' instances in the King James Version (KJV).
So your interpretation of 2 Thess 2.1-4 would interesting.
2 Thessalonians 2
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
Confirmed by the "man of sin" himself, "shewing himself that he is God."
- “All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17
- “The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God. He is the divine monarch and supreme emperor, and king of kings. Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as King of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, vol.6, art. “Papa II”
- “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical letter dated June 20, 1894, The Great Encyclical Letters of Leo XIII, p. 304.
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Nah... that above idea is NEVER plausible as an interpretation of the Daniel 9:27 verse.
1. Lord Jesus NEVER made any 7 year covenant. The New Covenant is an EVERLASTING COVENANT.
2. The symbolic "one week" of Dan.9:27 is for the LATTER DAYS, not the time of Jesus' 1st coming.
3. Jesus was 'cut off' at His cross at the END of the 69th symbolic week of Dan.9, leaving the final 70th "one week" remaining still today.
4. The event of the "abomination of desolation" which Dan.9:27 reveals was WARNED of by Lord Jesus in His Olivet discourse within the SIGNS of the future time of "great tribulation", which ONLY happens at the very END of this world (Matt.24:15 forward). Jesus was thus pointing to the coming Antichrist at the end of this world placing an IDOL abomination at JERUSALEM for the end of this world. Therefore, those who claim Jesus was behind the events of Daniel 9:27 MOCK Lord Jesus Christ because Jesus instead warned the Church about the coming false one who will fulfill the placing of that IDOL abomination.
It is very, very, very obvious, that the FALSE JEWS who HATE Jesus of Nazareth are behind the FALSE interpretation of Daniel 9:27 with wrongly trying to apply that to Lord Jesus Christ's Ministry at His 1st coming. That idea couldn't be further from the Truth of Bible Scripture, and only a servant of the devil would ever come up with such a vain idea against Christ Jesus!
Standard grammar.
"he" in Daniel 9:27 requires a preceding referent/antecedent which matches the number (i.e. singular) and the gender (i.e. male).
The preceding referent/antecedent which matches the number (i.e. singular) and the gender (i.e. male) is "prince" in Daniel 9:26.
"prince" in Daniel 9:26 requires a preceding referent/antecedent which matches the number (i.e. singular) and the gender (i.e. male).
The preceding referent/antecedent which matches the number (i.e. singular) and the gender (i.e. male) is "the Messiah the Prince" in Daniel 9:25.
Therefore, Daniel 9:25-26 interpret Daniel 9:27 to identify "he" as "the Messiah the Prince".
Messiah the Prince is the Covenant Confirmer of Daniel 9:27.
Davy
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That MESS... again.
I've already been over those Daniel 9 verses, but here it is again, and it will ONLY be properly understood by those who have done their homework in ALL of God's written Word.
Dan 9:25-27
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
Because "Messiah" is mentioned with the word for "Prince", it can mean only Jesus Christ.
The 1st period was "seven weeks", which per the prophecy represented 49 years (seven sevens, or 7 x 7).
The 2nd Period was "threescore and two weeks", or 62 weeks, 434 years (62 x 7), from 405 B.C. to 29 A.D. (the year of 'cutting off' of Messiah). The NEXT VERSE CONFIRMS the year of 'cutting off' of Messiah at the END of the 69th week...
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
That "after threescore and two weeks" simply means at the end of that period, the 69th week. And we have the COUNT of the 'sevens' to go by to confirm it...
1st period = 49 years; 2nd period 434 years; together = 483 years. Command to go forth to restore and rebuild Jerusalem was in first month of Nisan in 454 B.C. (See Bullinger's notes - The Seventy Weeks of Dan. 9:24-27. - Appendix to the Companion Bible)
1st Period: seven sevens = 49 years; from 454 B.C. to 405 B.C.
2nd Period: sixty two sevens = 434 years; from 405 B.C. to 29 A.D.
3rd Period: one seven, or "one week"= 7 years; still to be determined.
The people of the prince that shall come is about the Roman general Titus and his Roman army. That Hebrew word for "prince" can mean a leader or commander; it is not a direct pointer to Messiah. But the word for Messiah with it, like in verse 25 above, it does mean only Jesus Christ. But this "prince" here represents the Roman leader in 70 A.D. who with his Roman army destroyed Jerusalem and the sanctuary.
The end shall be with a flood is NOT about 70 A.D., instead it is about the very END of this world. Rev.12 uses the idea of waters AS a flood coming out of Satan's mouth after the symbolic woman of Christ's Church for the end of this world. Long timeline jumps in that Dan.9:26 verse. The determined desolations is a lead-in to the subject of the next 27th verse... and YES, the "he" mentioned next is still pointing to that idea of the "prince", the Roman general Titus.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV
I prefer the Douay-Rheims Bible translation on that 27th verse, as that 27th verse is what Jesus was quoting about from the Book of Daniel per Matthew 24:15 concerning the "abomination of desolation" being placed in Jerusalem at the end.
Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims
That "he" is pointing back to the "prince" of Dan.9:26 that destroyed Jerusalem and the sanctuary. That is what the grammar requires, NOT a pointer back to "Messiah the Prince" of verse 25!
How is that "he" meant then, between verse 27 and that Roman "prince" that destroyed Jerusalem and the temple? How can that apply to the end of this world in verse 27?
It is about TYPES in God's Word:
The Roman general Titus serves as a TYPE for the coming Antichrist at the end of this world.
Antiochus Epiphanes who setup an abomination idol in 170 B.C. Jerusalem, in the temple, serves as a TYPE for the "vile person" of Dan.11 that will fulfill the Dan.9:27 (Dan.11:31; Matt.24:15) abomination of desolation idol prophecy.
Nebuchadnezzar, king of Babylon, serves as a TYPE for the final Antichrist at the end of this world who will setup the "image of the beast" for all to worship, or be killed. That is exactly what Nebuchadnezzar did.
The flesh "king of Assyria" of Isaiah 30:31-33 serves as a TYPE for Satan himself which Tophet (put for lake of fire) has been prepared for.
The "king of Tyrus" is put for Satan as a TYPE before Satan rebelled against God in God's parable of Ezekiel 28.
Thus it is obvious that those who are illiterate of how God's Word gives the example of TYPES for the Antichrist, and particularly what the final Antichrist does at the END of this world, don't really know all of God's written Word, and need more Bible study.
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