Examining the supposed "Whole Bible" view. - No consensus?
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Behold
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Its Paul's doctrine of Salvaiton that teaches us that The Gift of Salvation is Jesus on The Cross.
Jesus is Salvation........and everyone who gives God their faith in Christ before they die, will receive what Jesus has accomplished on The Cross for them.
Gods gonna judge the heart whether or not you wanted him.
If you place you faith in Christ Yeshua, and his resurrection and you wanna find out more about what the entails one can look at the Apostolic record.
There about 1,050 commands founded given by Yeshua but you won’t be able to do them.
Faith in Yeshua is because of his righteousness we are made right with Yahavah and are able to go to him.
There are people that don’t care of either one of them, and they are faithless people who just don’t care for them at all, a choice of course.
There are three resurrections.
Resurrection of Condemnation I’ve heard about from Jesus,
Resurrection of life? I’ve hear about from Jesus,
And a resurrection better than the normal on, from Paul and the writer of Hebrews.
I wouldn’t know these things though if I never read the Bible we got which is Yahavahs second greatest gift at least my opinion for those who want to spiritually grow.
But if you don’t care or don’t want to know, and if you are faithless Yahavah is gonna be able to see right through any type of facade that just the faithfully believed fact on my end, with an outside of the kingdom and an Inside according to the Bible if that Thing is even true and I believe it is, and do believe God exist but I can’t prove it.
If you place you faith in Christ Yeshua, and his resurrection and you wanna find out more about what the entails one can look at the Apostolic record.
There about 1,050 commands founded given by Yeshua but you won’t be able to do them.
Faith in Yeshua is because of his righteousness we are made right with Yahavah and are able to go to him.
There are people that don’t care of either one of them, and they are faithless people who just don’t care for them at all, a choice of course.
There are three resurrections.
Resurrection of Condemnation I’ve heard about from Jesus,
Resurrection of life? I’ve hear about from Jesus,
And a resurrection better than the normal on, from Paul and the writer of Hebrews.
I wouldn’t know these things though if I never read the Bible we got which is Yahavahs second greatest gift at least my opinion for those who want to spiritually grow.
But if you don’t care or don’t want to know, and if you are faithless Yahavah is gonna be able to see right through any type of facade that just the faithfully believed fact on my end, with an outside of the kingdom and an Inside according to the Bible if that Thing is even true and I believe it is, and do believe God exist but I can’t prove it.
Behold
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How can a sinner pay for their own sin?
How can,,,,,,<"all have sinned, there is none righteous.....no not one"........go to heaven?
Jesus is the Way. John 14:6.
However, God requires that we place our faith in Christ, as this is "all who believe in Jesus shall be saved"..... .as our "faith is counted by God, as (Christ's) Righteousness".
Their is no salvation offered to a sinner who has "Died in their sins", as they have committed the unpardonable sin, of dying unforgiven..
Forgiveness, is for the sinner, while they are alive and have the opportunity to trust in Christ.
This opportunity is not offered after you die, because you'll SEE the reality regarding what is waiting for you in Eternity, and that wont require faith.
God requries faith to save a sinner.
That's a question you should ask yourself.
Jesus paid the death penalty for the sins of the whole world on the cross.
It was a complete work. "It is finished.", He said. Paid in full.
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Behold
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Yes, Salvaition is Paid in full.. one believer at a time who will give God their Faith in Christ before they die.
Its "by faith".
"Justification by faith".
And that is not available after you die., so you have to do this,.,."all who call on the name of Jesus, shall be saved"........so that you can meet God as "Heavenly Father" and not Eternal Judge.
John 3:36, shows us that damnation is on every unbeliever, until they TRUST in Christ., and you can't do that after you die.
Jesus is coming back ........as 2 Thess 1:8-9, to take VENGEANCE on "all who have not obeyed the Gospel"..while they are ALIVE when He comes.
How do you obey the Gospel? You BELIEVE IT, before you die.
"vengeance'...........is not "everyone is going to heaven".
I encounter this statement a lot...
Someone discounts a scripture I quote as
not possibly meaning what it plainly says because...
It doesn't fit the "whole Bible" view. ???
As if there is consensus on what that even means,
- Is there such a thing as a "whole Bible" view?
- Is there consensus on what that means?
- Is there reasonable latitude in what that could mean?
It's not enough to simply claim, "Whatever the Bible says."
Doesn't seem to be enough consensus to make such a broad claim. ???
Someone discounts a scripture I quote as
not possibly meaning what it plainly says because...
It doesn't fit the "whole Bible" view. ???
As if there is consensus on what that even means,
- Is there such a thing as a "whole Bible" view?
- Is there consensus on what that means?
- Is there reasonable latitude in what that could mean?
It's not enough to simply claim, "Whatever the Bible says."
Doesn't seem to be enough consensus to make such a broad claim. ???
Davy
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BEWARE BRETHREN IN CHRIST:
That above is a Catholic view; the old priest system of the Catholic Church, in Europe especially, persecuted its followers for trying to get into God's written Word for themselves. I visited a lady in Madrid, Spain with a friend, and I saw a Bible sitting on one of the top shelves of her living room bookcase. I asked the lady if she ever read it. She said, "Oh no, that's for the parish priest's job to tell us what it says." That was in 1975.
Spain is a type of Theocracy, if you are born there, you are forced to become a Catholic by law. If you marry there, you are forced to become a Catholic if you are not, and even must sign a document stating you will raise your children as Catholics.
And one of the major Catholic doctrines against The Bible is they do not believe God's 'written' Word is infallible. Yet that is error in thinking, because even with some small errors in word translation, God still provided two or more witnesses in His WRITTEN Word to confirm every word. So His written Word is infallible, especially in the manuscripts. This Biblical principle Protestants call Sola Scriptura, meaning God's WRITTEN Word is the sole infallible source of authority for the Christian Faith and practice.
So when someone comes along debasing the Biblical fact of Sola Scriptura, you know they are trying to open you up to accept their deceptions of doctrines created by men outside... God's written Word. This is particularly what the Catholic system had done to cause the Protestant Reformation of the 16th century A.D.
Wick Stick
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In seminary, the name for that is "Systematic Theology."
It certainly exists. In fact, more than one such system exists, and they compete with each other.
Consensus... not so much. There are some basics on which everyone agrees - God created the earth, Jesus died for our sins, etc.
But the focus of systematic theology seems to be more oriented on EXCLUDING, DISPROVING, or EXPLAINING AWAY any belief that does not fit within their system. For instance, the Calvinist cannot abide "whosoever will" and must somehow make it to mean "whosoever God picked beforehand." The Sabbatarian stumbles when when Scripture declares a cancellation of "new moons and sabbaths," and must expend many pages of explanation to make it say something else.
The problem with every System of Theology, or a "whole Bible" view, is the underlying assumption that the Bible is a coherent whole, and does not contradict itself. As much as I'd like that to be true, it just isn't. There are disagreements. Some of them are historical minutiae. Some of them are major matters of theology.
Jesus tells us to forgive each other, just as God forgives us. Moses tells us to stone the sinners to death, and has God raining fire down to destroy cities. Can we find a System that harmonizes these things? Yes, but if we do so, we now have to harmonize ALL the rest of Scripture with that system. That turns out to be somewhere between difficult and impossible.
Davy
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I have to strongly disagree with that in red.
God's Word never... contradicts itself. Men's Bible 'translations' often do.
Also, lack of understanding a matter in God's Word also can create that idea that God's written Word is not infallible.
Those teachers at seminary that may suggest The Bible contradicts itself (I'm not saying they are the main source of that opinion necessarily), are simply opening up room for their lack of understanding in the Bible they may struggle with. They no doubt assume everyone else has the same problem, so they look at the actual written Scripture as the source, when the source of their confusion is actually within their own lack of understanding.
So why are you in a Christian forum CONSTANTLY attacking the Bible? I don't think you have a clue.
Examining the supposed "Whole Bible" view. - No consensus?
As a follow-up to this previous topic...In BIBLE we trust? - Misplaced allegiance?
Seems too many make an idol of their personal interpretation of the Bible.
Claiming theirs is the only truth and that others are "of the devil" because their view differs.
What's wrong with this picture? Misplaced allegiance. Religious fiefdoms.
Building walls, instead of bridges.
- What is the purpose of the Bible?
- Should the Bible be used to cause division?
- Where is your allegiance ultimately?
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I encounter this statement a lot...
Someone discounts a scripture I quote as
not possibly meaning what it plainly says because...
It doesn't fit the "whole Bible" view. ???
As if there is consensus on what that even means,
- Is there such a thing as a "whole Bible" view?
- Is there consensus on what that means?
- Is there reasonable latitude in what that could mean?
It's not enough to simply claim, "Whatever the Bible says."
Doesn't seem to be enough consensus to make such a broad claim. ???
Oh gee, another attack on the Christian Bible.
Seems?
One purpose is to make Bible attackers without excuse on Judgment Day.
You ought to know!
You wouldn't be making that up would you?
What God of the Bible said it plenty for those who don't want to burn in Hell Fire FOREVER!
Who is your god? Oh that's right, you don't want to tell us.
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